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Kirael Reviews "Matrix Reloaded"

Sheila Bush
 

Hi Everyone...thought you'd enjoy this spiritual review of the new movie that is breaking ground on MANY levels throughout the earth...Matrix Reloaded!

Loving Life Outside the Matrix...what Matrix?


Sheila

Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one.


From: "Kirael.com" <kiraelemail@...>
To: namastebush@...
Subject: Kirael Reviews "Matrix Reloaded"
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:04:58 -0400 (EDT)

KIRAEL PRE-VIEWS and RE-VIEWS "MATRIX RELOADED"

A master spirit guide offers a unique insight into this year's first major "message" movie.
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(A message brought forth by Master Guide Kirael through the loving mediumship of Reverend Fred Sterling.
NOTE: Kirael speaks through Rev. Sterling with a decidedly Celtic accent; hence, the use of "me" for "my" and other colloquialisms.)

REV. STERLING: As I sat in the theater waiting for the opening scenes, I wondered if there was a chance that this new "Matrix" movie could ever match up to the original film, which had Lightworkers around the world seeing their journey from a completely new perspective. As I had promised, I called on Master Kirael to see if there were any last minute instructions before "Matrix Reloaded" began.

KIRAEL: It would be me highest guidance to remind each who watches, that this unfolding awakening of truth is, in fact, registered in six completely identifiable levels. In short, each will choose to see it at the level most suited to their desire of awakening unto the multi-levels of awareness. The most important thing to remember is that which is spoken of in the onset of this movie adventure: don't let fear rule your world.

Level 1 - This is the level where the seer is most taken by the action and costumes and not at all interested to hear any slightly- or fully-veiled messages. On this level, I be thinking the movie was created to awaken a grand array for the human senses.

Level 2 - Here, the watcher begins to feel there is more to the movie than meets the eye and actually finds the experience a bit disheveling because they came to see what their minds remembered of the last movie, and they simply wanted it to fit into their belief systems. It doesn't. This one moves the watcher to levels unchecked by restraints and at Level 2, fear may still be part of the life plan. These will be the most vocal against the movie.

Level 3 - At this level, the searcher within one's self comes out. Here, one's mind is opened to the possibility that the world has changed since the original "Matrix" and the writers needed to move to new levels. Still, there is the feeling that something is missing. The desire to understand is strong, but old belief systems want to maintain control. Each at this level will be ultra-clear that they may have to watch it over and over again.

Level 4 - On this awareness level, it [is] as though the human part of the mind (the ten-percent) seems to be torn into different realities. In this consciousness, the sights, sounds, and even the emotional stirrings are erupting into the need to find the answers to the seemingly puzzling array of possibilities that are emanating from the screen. Yet, in that moment they do understand.

Level 5 - Can the mind split in two? The answer to that long-asked question will flow like a torrent of new awakenings when this movie is seen at this level. The mind watches the action unfold, while the interactive portion of the higher-self attempts to show you the meaning behind each word. Here, you find yourself 'oohing' and 'ahhing' while people around you are wanting you to keep your awakenings to your self. Imagine, a multiple awakening while in the constraints of being physical.

Level 6 - If you're to see it at this level, there is no need to explain. Here the entire movie becomes a text of the unfolding of "the Shift" you have only read about so far. Here, you get a visual and emotional experience that serves as a reminder that this type of event has unfolded many times before in real life -- yet on an entirely different level of consciousness -- and it's as though the writers have the inside edge on knowledge of Earth events unfolding.

REV. STERLING: The movie hadn't even started and I felt as though my senses were moving to new levels of awakening. And then it began. My mind seemed to explode. Each component of what unfolded before my eyes moved me to another level of understanding of what the "Great Shift" was all about.

It's best that I allow Master Kirael the wonderment of reviewing the film from here on, for as I sit here two days later, I feel I have not yet assimilated all that was fed into my conscious awareness that day.

KIRAEL: How long has the human experience waited for their awakening into the world outside the matrix? How long have "we the people" of Earth desired to see a world filled with less control and to be seen through the eyes of knowingness?

This movie will be bending your traditional format of time and space and will be using mind impulsion to hold you into your seats until the physical body can attune to what the human mind is about to go through.

Like the little girl that looked into the rabbit hole, you will find yourself reeling into spaces of the mind seldom encountered. Your senses will be tantalized while your higher self-mind will be literally enlightened by the luxury of consciously being awake on two levels simultaneously. As you seem absorbed in the lightning pace and the unfolding drama, your are at that same moment alerted to the truth, trust and passion used to create each scene.

The masterful work of the two brothers (the writer-director brothers of which little in your world is known) was guided by a full force of off-world beings. Here, their higher selves were integrated into the spirit world of almost every known level of consciousness. They were ushered into an awakened state of consciousness for each level of this work, and even they would likely admit that they couldn't pinpoint where this entire magical dialog was manifesting from.

The movie, my friend, is a virtual cacophony of sensual mind elixirs capable of reorienting the very way you choose to unfold your journey. It will, without a bit of doubt, add adventure to the possibilities you currently are sifting your mind through, and in that, you will consider yourself no longer willing to be part of the matrix energy.

See the movie with but one intent, and that just might help you unplug from the limited thoughts you may for too long embraced.

Let yourself open to the "what if" thinking and allow your new understanding of the "Great Shift in Consciousness" to unfold. Welcome to Zion (meaning Utopia) my friends and let your mind become limitless in a world designed for the expansive soul. Be in your "consciously creating" mind and let the experience of evolution unfold. Enjoy, my friends, enjoy.

REV. STERLING: As Kirael might say, "It's me thinking" that anyone who is about to see this movie -- or has already seen it -- and doesn't understand it just might benefit from this awesome commentary from Kirael. In that light please, pass this article on to a friend and see how they feel.

In Light and Love,
Reverend Fred Sterling
Medium for Master Kirael

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KIRAEL is a loving spirit guide from another dimension, who has committed his light into the earth plane to help humanity heal, evolve and experience what he calls "the Great Shift in Consciousness." Brought forth through the mediumship of Rev. Fred Sterling, Master Council Guide Kirael consistently maintains that this profound, all-encompassing "shift" is a time of great joy and celebration, as Mother Earth re-balances her energy and the human world evolves into a brilliant new era of consciousness.

FRED STERLING is a medium, a minister and a messenger -- a man who walks between the third dimensional world of human and the boundless realms of spirit. For more than 15 years, he has channeled the loving light and wisdom of Kirael, a master spirit guide, into books, articles and recorded sessions. As founder and Senior Minister of the Honolulu Church of Light, he shines his own love and light upon both a local congregation and an international community of lightworkers via the Internet. He has authored several books with Kirael, including "Kirael: The Great Shift" and "Guide to the Unseen Self", and shares his wisdom and Kirael's message through frequent radio, Internet and television programs. Rev. Sterling is, first and foremost, a gifted and dedicated healer, helping seekers around the world discover their own paths of healing into Love.

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Latest reviews and reader's comments

 

For those of you who may be interested in seeing comments
from readers or the latest reviews of "The Disappearance of the
Universe" the Fearless Books website has a page dedicated to it which
also has links to excerpts from the book and an interview with me.
This is also a good page link to give to people who may be interested
in finding out more about the book. Please feel free to share it with
your friends! Thanks and peace, Gary.


Re: Scott's Creation Dilemma

 

Often one cannot solve a situation using the same mindset that created it in the first place.? Many great inventions and philosophical concepts?came about when their creators got out of the box.? Similarly, we cannot reason creation using linear-time or linear-space thinking.? Words and human languages arised from this dream world of forms and are limited in their usefulness in conveying messages from the God reality.? If linear logic cannot explain our existence, it certainly cannot explain creation.? If we accept the Course's message that this is not God's reality, we could accept God's reality that creation is beyond the concept of forms and?causality.


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Re: Greetings to new members!

ynottakeall
 

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "youngnel97"
<youngnel97@y...> wrote:
To start out, I
find this book to be very powerful because it expands many of the
concepts of ACIM. I would love to hear other people's impressions.
I was introduced to the Course in 1988, and besides the materials
that I would get from FACIM during the 2-3 year period, no other book
has caught my attention like this book. I would try to read other
materials, but nothing held my interest. Then the book was briefly
mentioned in another course group and I knew that for this person to
mention another book ... well there was something to it.

Now I carry this book everywhere with me, home, work, bathroom,
bedroom and I just smile. :-)

I plan on attending A Course in Miracles Seminar in Atlanta at the
end of June and hope to have finished this book by then, I am a slow
reader. LOL. But J knew I needed extra push with the Course so I
guess this is why I am reading this book.

Peace


Re: Scott's Creation Dilemma

 

Does the?breath that "seems" to expand as the chest rises create a separate being? Does the breath when the chest sinks back down "seem" to get destroyed or become less?
?
One - Oneness - is like the breath in a way. It "seems" to expand and contract, but it doesn't really change. It isn't me that is Linda that creates, anyway. I am merely one being dreamed. It is the dreamer, and as the Course says it is impossible to tell where God ends and Christ begines. There is no?time, really - so no creations who came before or will come after, because there is no past nor future. It is only in the world that there is change.
?
The Course in order to communicate with us on the level we can understand at this moment speaks in symbols of symbols.

scottriehl2 wrote:
How can a being create a being with the ability to create if that
original being was itself not created? With the help of the course I
finally solved the riddle "Who came first - the chicken or the egg?"
The answer is "Neither - they both don't exist." Meaning to say - if
they are both real, the situation is impossible, because whichever
one you say came first - I could say the other one came before it.
But if they are both imaginary, you can just make up the idea of a
chicken and then make up the idea that it lays an egg. You can start
the loop anywhere you want. So, I solve that amazing core life
question and where does it get me? Nowhere. The course says that I am
a created being and I in turn create. That is a chicken and egg
scenario. And real chicken and egg scenarios are impossible. You have
to have a starting point. So, what is the solution? God is the
starting point. He was not created. Which leads me back to my
original question. How can a being create a being with the ability to
create if that original being was itself not created? You (meaning
God) are all there is and then one day decide to go into the infinite
self-extension business? Should I feel unique that every being who
comes after me has a creator who's been created but I'm the only one
with a creator who hasn't?


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Re: Scott's Creation Dilemma

 

In a message dated 5/20/03 6:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lklanglois@... writes:

The Course in order to communicate with us on the level we can understand at this moment speaks in symbols of symbols.



Yes Linda, that is it.? Upon Gary's first appearance with Pursah and
Arten, it was noted that they were appearing as (symbols) whose words
would help facilitate the disappearance of the universe (pg. 5).

Pursah goes on to say: "...we are symbols because anything that
appears to take on a form is symbolic.? The only true reality is God
or pure spirit, which in Heaven are synonymous, and God and pure
spirit have no form.? Thus there is no concept of male or female in
Heaven.? Any form, including your own body, that is experienced in
the false universe of perception must, by definition, be symbolic of
something else..."

When I first read this, something went up a notch in how I would now
read and study the Course.? Pursah's introduction was exactly
consistent with the Course.

"...words are but symbols of symbols.? They are thus twiced removed
from reality." (M-21.1:9-10)? Jesus says in Chapter 6, "The body is the
symbol of what you think you are." (T-6.V.(A)2:2)

"As we have already emphasized, every idea begins in the mind of
the thinker.? Therefore, what extends from the mind is still in it,
and from what it extends it knows itself." (T.6.III.l:1-2)

-----------------

peace

Billy


Re: Scott's Creation Dilemma

 

Bravo, Scott. You make some great observatiions. Of course the
question itself is time based. The word "eternal" actually
means "without time." You could also add in the concept of "without
limits." As Arten or Pursah (I'd have to look up which one) said in
the book, real love must be shared, and that's why you have extension
in Heaven. Also, there are no limits there, which is beyond our
limited comprehension. Plus, since there is no time, creation must
happen simultaneously, which means, believe it or not, that
the "original" creator, God, did not come before or after you, but at
the same instant! That's a mind blower to a time-based, finite mind,
but not to spirit, which cannot be limited by time or space. Thanks
and peace, Gary.


Scott's Creation Dilemma

scottriehl2
 

How can a being create a being with the ability to create if that
original being was itself not created? With the help of the course I
finally solved the riddle "Who came first - the chicken or the egg?"
The answer is "Neither - they both don't exist." Meaning to say - if
they are both real, the situation is impossible, because whichever
one you say came first - I could say the other one came before it.
But if they are both imaginary, you can just make up the idea of a
chicken and then make up the idea that it lays an egg. You can start
the loop anywhere you want. So, I solve that amazing core life
question and where does it get me? Nowhere. The course says that I am
a created being and I in turn create. That is a chicken and egg
scenario. And real chicken and egg scenarios are impossible. You have
to have a starting point. So, what is the solution? God is the
starting point. He was not created. Which leads me back to my
original question. How can a being create a being with the ability to
create if that original being was itself not created? You (meaning
God) are all there is and then one day decide to go into the infinite
self-extension business? Should I feel unique that every being who
comes after me has a creator who's been created but I'm the only one
with a creator who hasn't?


Switching to garyrrenard I.D.

 

Just thought I'd let you know I'm switching my I.D. to garyrrenard.
It's been suggested that this will make it easier for people to
recognize. I won't post anymore with g35813. However, you can still e-
mail me at g35813@... if you have a question you'd like to ask.
Thanks and peace, Gary.


Re: A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

 

Yes Billy, That was very helpful. For me, it's especially when you
say you learn by first, asking for correction, and second, by always
being aware of how you are perceiving your brothers. Thanks and
peace, Gary.


Re: A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

 

Thanks, Jim. Talk about a "holy encounter!" That's a great story
about a wonderful experience. Thanks for sharing it with us. Peace,
Gary.


Re: A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

 

In a message dated 5/16/03 11:09:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, g35813@... writes:

For my own curiousity, I'd be interested in hearing how anyone
has felt they were more truly guided and could more clearly hear the
Voice of the Holy Spirit either by forgiveness or through the
practice of prayer and meditation


Perhaps by the peace I feel in the present moment, is indication
that somewhere within, the mind is forgiving.? Projecting a
split mind, there is always the temptation to indulge the ego's
voice, as we learn to utilize that choice by looking at its
purpose.? My experience of the Course is that it is a serious
study.? We have to be a part of the process, by going into the
heart of its message that the Son of God is guiltless, and look
at the temptation that is an active choice to prove it wrong.?
Forgiveness is the simplest thing in the world to do, but there
is a tremendous resistance to the actual process.? We all have
a strong? investment in being right.? We are so sure of
our judgments, and so it takes what seems like "time,"
to relinquish control.? In my experience, this is why it is
difficult to truly follow guidance by the Holy Spirit.? I learn by
first, asking for correction, and second, by always being
aware of how I am perceiving my brothers.? I hope this is
helpful.

Billy


Re: A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

Jim Dunn
 

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??? I was speeding down the San Diego Freeway somewhere in Orange County, California, and meditating on the phrase from the Bible, "Behold the Son of God, with whom He is well pleased." I was doing daily ACIM Workbook lessons, as is my habit.
??? For no apparent reason I spoke that quotation aloud. Suddenly I heard a persistent honking from a car alongside of me, looked at who might be honking at me and saw my middle son, a student of San Diego State University. Since he was nearly 90 miles form his college I was surprised to see him, and even more surprised that he had appeared just as I had quoted that verse from the Bible. I was awestruck by the amount of love that engulfed me as I waived, and watched him zoom off to his destination.? A very clear voice inside my head said, "When you greet everyone the way you greeted your son, you will know what heaven is."
?
?
Jim Dunn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary [mailto:g35813@...]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 7:24 PM
To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...
Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

???? On P.224 of "Disappearance" Arten said to me, "Even though the
Holy Spirit doesn't do anything in the world, His interpretation of
form can help you see more clearly what you should do here. That's
just a fringe benefit of choosing Him as your Teacher, not the main
reason, which is salvation."
???? Although Arten was talking about how much more clearly you can
receive guidance when your mind is at peace from looking at the world
with true perception, we also talked later about the subject of
receiving guidance in the chapter, "True Prayer and Abundance."
???? For my own curiousity, I'd be interested in hearing how anyone
has felt they were more truly guided and could more clearly hear the
Voice of the Holy Spirit either by forgiveness or through the
practice of prayer and meditation. Love and peace, Gary.



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A "Fringe Benefit" of Forgiveness

 

On P.224 of "Disappearance" Arten said to me, "Even though the
Holy Spirit doesn't do anything in the world, His interpretation of
form can help you see more clearly what you should do here. That's
just a fringe benefit of choosing Him as your Teacher, not the main
reason, which is salvation."
Although Arten was talking about how much more clearly you can
receive guidance when your mind is at peace from looking at the world
with true perception, we also talked later about the subject of
receiving guidance in the chapter, "True Prayer and Abundance."
For my own curiousity, I'd be interested in hearing how anyone
has felt they were more truly guided and could more clearly hear the
Voice of the Holy Spirit either by forgiveness or through the
practice of prayer and meditation. Love and peace, Gary.


Re: ..."Attitudes.Q"

 

I agree Sheila. For most people, the best environment to do the course is the one they are presently in. Not that it makes it easy, but it works as an reminder that it is "a required course". The relationships with people at home or at work make the mess in our mind very visible and often quite painful and therefore hard to forget or deny.

I have been keeping in touch with the Course for 3 years, but I didn't seem to have enough time to give it appropriate amount of time to be considered a serious course student. But when our doughter was born and I had to face the negative emotions which came as my reaction to watching a crying baby, I figured out that the time came to become more serious about my mind trainig in order to deal with it in a way I would possibly call successful. I can't imagine a better classroom for me since there were no escape nor a way how to fix the situation on the level of the illusion.

So I still have a long way ahead, but at least I got myself moving again :o)

Petr


Re: ..."Attitudes."

Sheila Bush
 

Beautifully stated, Jim!

You wrote:
" Everything is a lesson God would have me learn, and all learning
is really forgiving.. So bring on the appearance of conflict. Each time
I encounter it, I will either respond from fear, and go to war, or
respond from love, and forgive."

My daily struggle, if and when these days, is accepting my husband and
his own inner struggles, along with the resulting and seemingly offensive
and childish behaviors. I am especially concerned about our teenage
children who perceive him negatively for the most part.

The book and the Course have assisted me in learning what a powerful
gift this man has been to me and our family. It seems that I do choose
each day whether to respond in love or fear, and thanks be to the Holy
Spirit it's usually love, and forgiveness certainly follows. But it means that
I am also learning to forgive myself and accept my own behaviors,
attitudes, and perceptions.


This is a quote I will tape onto my computer monitor, as it simply and
beautifully nips it in the bud for me! When I struggle with my own perception
of anyone at all as appearing less than the child of God s/he is intended to be,
I will read:

"Everything is a lesson God would have me learn, and all learning
is really forgiving.. So bring on the appearance of conflict. Each time
I encounter it, I will either respond from fear, and go to war, or
respond from love, and forgive."

Jim, this is my gift this day! Thank you!!!


Sheila

Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one.





From: "Jim Dunn" <jldunn8@...>
Reply-To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...
To: <Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...>
Subject: RE: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Gary to Petr, youngnel, and Jim on "Attitudes."
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:50:08 -0700

Gary,

In the groups I have led and the on line chats, I try to emphasize that
we will always find what we seek. If we want peace, we will laugh gently
at the "seeming" discord within the course community. Remember, the
need to be right will surface as long as we still think it holds some
value. ACIM has convinced me that no one else has to "do" the course..
It was created by J entirely for me. If I can understand that
"Salvation of the world depends on me," then I will not care if Ken and
Robert agree of disagree, since I invented both of them in my dreamscape
anyway. Everything is a lesson God would have me learn, and all learning
is really forgiving.. So bring on the appearance of conflict. Each time
I encounter it, I will either respond from fear, and go to war, or
respond from love, and forgive.

Bless you Gary for this wonderful, uncompromising book.



Jim Dunn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary [mailto:g35813@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...
Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Gary to Petr, youngnel, and Jim
on "Attitudes."


I think all three of you, within your fine observations about
duality, non-duality, etc. managed to come up with the Answer. That's
a very good sign. Petr very wisely put the focus back on the Workbook
and forgiveness, as did youngnel ("constant practice of the
teaching") and you Jim, in the way you look at things. As my
contribution, I'd like to put here a slightly edited e-mail I sent to
a fellow Course student who has been on a spiritual path for many,
many years and has studied the Course without it producing very much
happiness in his life so far. I think it speaks to a very important
issue and can be of value to all of us:

Dear ----, You mention how confusing it is to have highly intelligent
people like Wapnick and Perry disagreeing with each other. Perhaps we
should take more note of the things they don't disagree about. I
remind you of the following two statements from ACIM:

"This is not a course in philosophical speculation, nor is it
concerned with precise terminology. It is concerned only with
Atonement, or the correction of perception. The means of the
Atonement is forgiveness." (CL77)

"Forgiveness is the central theme that runs throughout salvation,
holding all its parts in meaningful relationships, the course it runs
directed and its outcome sure." (W324)

My teachers stressed that without forgiveness, metaphysics are
useless, yet time and time again I see people engage in philosophical
speculation when talking about the Course; at the same time, I see
very little discussion about forgiveness or specific examples of
people doing it. That's why I think there are a lot of unhappy people
doing the course. I don't know you specifically, so I'm only speaking
in general terms here. And I include myself when I say that my
teachers were very clear that if I wanted to be happy, I'd use the
Course for what it was meant for.
I see all around me, from my study group, to friends, to people
throughout the Course community, very few people using the Course
purposefully and habitually to practice forgiveness. I think I could
count on two hands the people I've seen really practicing the Course!
(But then I've only been looking for 10 years.)
So if you want to be truly unique, you have a marvelous
opportunity. If you ever read my book again, I would try to notice
most the parts that deal with forgiveness of our relationships and
the situations that confront us. I'd say no more than 4 out of the 17
chapters in my book were dominated by metaphysics, but the theme of
forgiveness can be found in all 17. I'm not suggesting that you
didn't see those things the first time; I'm suggesting they must be
utilized with great effort until they become almost automatic. For as
the Course says, "Miracles are habits, and should be involuntary."
(T3) In other words, unintentional. It takes a long time for that to
become such a deep part of you, but it is possible. I wish you God's
speed. Peace, Gary.




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Re: Gary to Petr, youngnel, and Jim on "Attitudes."

Jim Dunn
 

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Gary,
?
In the groups I have led and the on line chats, I try to emphasize that we will always find what we seek. If we want peace, we will laugh gently at the "seeming" discord within the course community.? Remember, the need to be right will surface as long as we still think it holds some value. ACIM has convinced me that no one else has to "do" the course.. It was created by J entirely for me.? If I can understand that "Salvation of the world depends on me," then I will not care if Ken and Robert agree of disagree, since I invented both of them in my dreamscape anyway. Everything is a lesson God would have me learn, and all learning is really forgiving.. So bring on the appearance of conflict. Each time I encounter it, I will either respond from fear, and go to war, or respond from love, and forgive.
?
Bless you Gary for this wonderful, uncompromising book.
?
?
?
Jim Dunn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary [mailto:g35813@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...
Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Gary to Petr, youngnel, and Jim on "Attitudes."

I think all three of you, within your fine observations about
duality, non-duality, etc. managed to come up with the Answer. That's
a very good sign. Petr very wisely put the focus back on the Workbook
and forgiveness, as did youngnel ("constant practice of the
teaching") and you Jim, in the way you look at things. As my
contribution, I'd like to put here a slightly edited e-mail I sent to
a fellow Course student who has been on a spiritual path for many,
many years and has studied the Course without it producing very much
happiness in his life so far. I think it speaks to a very important
issue and can be of value to all of us:

Dear ----, You mention how confusing it is to have highly intelligent
people like Wapnick and Perry disagreeing with each other. Perhaps we
should take more note of the things they don't disagree about. I
remind you of the following two statements from ACIM:

"This is not a course in philosophical speculation, nor is it
concerned with precise terminology. It is concerned only with
Atonement, or the correction of perception. The means of the
Atonement is forgiveness." (CL77)

"Forgiveness is the central theme that runs throughout salvation,
holding all its parts in meaningful relationships, the course it runs
directed and its outcome sure." (W324)

My teachers stressed that without forgiveness, metaphysics are
useless, yet time and time again I see people engage in philosophical
speculation when talking about the Course; at the same time, I see
very little discussion about forgiveness or specific examples of
people doing it. That's why I think there are a lot of unhappy people
doing the course. I don't know you specifically, so I'm only speaking
in general terms here. And I include myself when I say that my
teachers were very clear that if I wanted to be happy, I'd use the
Course for what it was meant for.
?? I see all around me, from my study group, to friends, to people
throughout the Course community, very few people using the Course
purposefully and habitually to practice forgiveness. I think I could
count on two hands the people I've seen really practicing the Course!
(But then I've only been looking for 10 years.)
???? So if you want to be truly unique, you have a marvelous
opportunity. If you ever read my book again, I would try to notice
most the parts that deal with forgiveness of our relationships and
the situations that confront us. I'd say no more than 4 out of the 17
chapters in my book were dominated by metaphysics, but the theme of
forgiveness can be found in all 17. I'm not suggesting that you
didn't see those things the first time; I'm suggesting they must be
utilized with great effort until they become almost automatic. For as
the Course says, "Miracles are habits, and should be involuntary."
(T3) In other words, unintentional. It takes a long time for that to
become such a deep part of you, but it is possible. I wish you God's
speed. Peace, Gary.




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So glad to find this list!!!

Sheila Bush
 

Hello, Everyone!

Never mind the week long search for you, but "I'm just so proud to be here!" as Minnie Pearl might have said! =)

I've read through the thread of messages thus far, and want to thank youngnel97 for starting this list! It will be a pleasure to have Spirit a part of our lives again through this list; ie, NOT to have factioned discussions and egos abounding! LOL... Whew! It's hard work seeing ego everywhere and then realizing that you must have an issue or two hanging out everywhere!!! =)

All for now, but want to get into discussions soon on the topic of forgiveness...that daily agenda of mine these days!

Love and Blessings to all...


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Re: Attitudes of Learning

sapientobserve
 

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "Petr Cisar"
<pc@g...> wrote:
Hi all I must admit that this topic made me to think and to get no
clear answer.



Petr,
I understand the thoughts and questions. We all are at times in the
same mindset at any given moment. The fact that you see this world
as not real and that God has not gone mad and condemned us to hell is
a sign you have moved way beyond dualism. I have my times of
struggle and understanding yet there are also those times of
enlightenment and vision. It is a process, which for me, is not
always an easy one. Remember there are many lifetimes of undoing. I
have noted several quotes from the Course that really help me in
times when hopelessness, confusion, and frustration creep in. I
might add I have them more times, than I would like. I also know
the key is forgiveness and remembering who we really are. The
introduction to chapter 24 was a revelation. I spent many nights
reading it repeatedly.

Chapter 21, VIII 5
Do I desire a world I rule instead of one the rules me?
Do I desire a world where I am powerful instead of helpless?
Do I desire a world in which I have no enemies and cannot sin?
And do I want to see what I denied BECAUSE it is the truth?
Forget not that the choice of sin or truth, helplessness or power, is
the choice of whether to attack or heal.

Chapter 24, Introduction
Forget not that the motivation of this course is the attainment and
the keeping of the state of peace. Given this state the mind is
quiet, and the condition in which God is remembered is attained. It
is not necessary to tell Him what to do. He will not fail. Where He
can enter, there He is already. And can it be He cannot enter where
He wills to be? Peace will be yours because it is His WILL. Can you
believe a shadow can hold back the Will that holds the universe
secure? God does not wait upon illusions to let Him be Himself. No
more His Son. They are. And what illusions that idly seems to drift
between Them has the power to defeat what is Their Will?

To learn this course requires willingness to question every value
that you hold. Not one can be kept hidden and obscure but it will
jeopardize your learning. No belief is neutral. Every one has the
power to dictate each decision you make. For a decision is a
conclusion based on everything that you believe. It is the outcome
of belief, and follows it as surely as does suffering follow guilt
and freedom sinlessness. There is no substitute for peace. What God
creates has no alternative. The truth arises from what He knows.
And your decisions come from your beliefs as certainly as all
creation rose in His mind because of what He knows.

Lesson 126
"All that I give is given to myself.
The Help I need to learn that this is true
Is with me now. And I will trust in Him."


Gary to Petr, youngnel, and Jim on "Attitudes."

 

I think all three of you, within your fine observations about
duality, non-duality, etc. managed to come up with the Answer. That's
a very good sign. Petr very wisely put the focus back on the Workbook
and forgiveness, as did youngnel ("constant practice of the
teaching") and you Jim, in the way you look at things. As my
contribution, I'd like to put here a slightly edited e-mail I sent to
a fellow Course student who has been on a spiritual path for many,
many years and has studied the Course without it producing very much
happiness in his life so far. I think it speaks to a very important
issue and can be of value to all of us:

Dear ----, You mention how confusing it is to have highly intelligent
people like Wapnick and Perry disagreeing with each other. Perhaps we
should take more note of the things they don't disagree about. I
remind you of the following two statements from ACIM:

"This is not a course in philosophical speculation, nor is it
concerned with precise terminology. It is concerned only with
Atonement, or the correction of perception. The means of the
Atonement is forgiveness." (CL77)

"Forgiveness is the central theme that runs throughout salvation,
holding all its parts in meaningful relationships, the course it runs
directed and its outcome sure." (W324)

My teachers stressed that without forgiveness, metaphysics are
useless, yet time and time again I see people engage in philosophical
speculation when talking about the Course; at the same time, I see
very little discussion about forgiveness or specific examples of
people doing it. That's why I think there are a lot of unhappy people
doing the course. I don't know you specifically, so I'm only speaking
in general terms here. And I include myself when I say that my
teachers were very clear that if I wanted to be happy, I'd use the
Course for what it was meant for.
I see all around me, from my study group, to friends, to people
throughout the Course community, very few people using the Course
purposefully and habitually to practice forgiveness. I think I could
count on two hands the people I've seen really practicing the Course!
(But then I've only been looking for 10 years.)
So if you want to be truly unique, you have a marvelous
opportunity. If you ever read my book again, I would try to notice
most the parts that deal with forgiveness of our relationships and
the situations that confront us. I'd say no more than 4 out of the 17
chapters in my book were dominated by metaphysics, but the theme of
forgiveness can be found in all 17. I'm not suggesting that you
didn't see those things the first time; I'm suggesting they must be
utilized with great effort until they become almost automatic. For as
the Course says, "Miracles are habits, and should be involuntary."
(T3) In other words, unintentional. It takes a long time for that to
become such a deep part of you, but it is possible. I wish you God's
speed. Peace, Gary.