Keyboard Shortcuts
Likes
- DU
- Messages
Search
Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
mstreet
开云体育From: Sue-chan <suechantree@...>
>>Also, by holding grievances, we are also trying to be an "effect" of someone else, who we are projecting "cause" onto.? It's another way of trying to hold onto the concept of cause &effect in our minds.<< ?
Hi Sue-Chan:
?
Yes... I think that is what the whole ego thought
system is about. Trying to reverse "cause and effect". By believing
that something or someone out there, is responsible for my lack of peace, and
then I get to being the innocent one. While in truth, I am merely repressing the
original guilt, and projecting it out. And making sure that it can never be
undone.
?
Only by looking with Jesus or the Holy Spirit at what is truly going on,
without judgment, will I ever be able to let it go. And this is definately a
process. A life times process of forgiving what has not be done. :-)
?
Peace Martha :-)
? |
Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
Sue-chan
Hi: This is great....Also, by holding grievances, we are also trying to be an "effect" of someone else, who we are projecting "cause" onto.???It's another way of?trying to hold onto the concept of cause &effect in our minds.
?
sue-chan
mstreet wrote:
Do you Yahoo!? - Now only $29.95 per month! |
Ossie and Atlanta
I just wanted to thank you, Ossie, for taking the time out from the
workshop in Atlanta to share your experiences. I laughed at your explanation as to why you lost my book at the airport. And I loved hearing about the different discussions and some of the points that Ken made. I'm very grateful to Billy for being enthusiastic about "Disappearance" and I was very humbled that someone would ask Ken about it. It's true that the book is getting a lot of attention. There was another good review this week-end. If you want you can go to to see it. These kinds of things help tremendously to spread the word. Being the slacker that I am, it will be a challenge for me to keep up with everything. But then I'm sure it's all part of the Holy Spirit's plan for forgiveness! Love and peace, Gary. |
Re: Just Got Back; Enjoying the Messages
acimgirl
Thanks Gary. So far the e-mail thing is ok but if this board heats up it could
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
get intrusive. Thanks for the info on Ken. I've not met him but I do have many of his tapes and several books. I have enjoyed his teaching style. I have not been involved or even very interested in the controversy that seemed to be brewing a few years ago but if he has given you his stamp of approval then he is A-OK in my book! I re-read the first chapter in your book today to prepare for the study group on Thurs. night and I got even more out of it. ' Love the humor and the good sense! This is going to be fun! Blessings, Suzanne garyrrenard wrote: Hiya. I just got back to Maine from a big cook-out and fireworks in |
Just Got Back; Enjoying the Messages
Hiya. I just got back to Maine from a big cook-out and fireworks in
Massachusetts and I've read some but not all of the postings and wanted to say thanks to everyone. This is fun. First, for Suzanne, I wanted to mention that if you click on "Edit Your Membership" you can try unchecking the box that says something like, "receive e-mails." That should stop all the messages from going to your e-mail address (hopefully). Click instead on "no e-mails". Also, I haven't read everything yet, but I wanted to comment briefly on Ken and my book. My understanding is that because of Ken's unique position, it's a policy of his to not endorse other books. For that reason he does not publicly express an opinion on "Disappearance". I will say that he's always been very nice to me, and his generousity in allowing me to use hundreds of quotations from the Course in the book is obvious. I've met Ken twice, both times while attending workshops in Roscoe, NY when the Foundation for A Course in Miracles was still there, and which I write briefly about in the book. I found him to be a genius in public and quite humorous in private. I've also exchanged several letters with him to make sure I was properly crediting the Course, and he was kind enough to personally go over my manuscript before the Foundation gave me permission to use the quotes. When it comes to Ken, suffice to say that I love him and I sincerely believe Arten and Pursah's statement that he will be known in the future as the Course's greatest teacher. Indeed, there are many of us who know that already. Love and peace, Gary. |
Re: As this is an open forum....
Nels
Thank you all for the sharing and chuckles!
Love, Nels --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: at the tiny mad idea that we could be separate from God, and fromNeither. They both happened simultaneously when we forgot to laughWhich came first? The ping or the pong? :) << each other. <g>
|
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育? >>Which came first?? The ping or the pong? :)
<<
Neither. They both happened simultaneously when we forgot to laugh at the tiny mad idea that we could be separate from God, and from each other. And thanks again everybody, for the reminder. Love and peace, Martha :-) |
Re: As this is an open forum....
acimgirl
Which came first?? The ping or the pong? :)
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Nels wrote: Life - a big game of ping pong:-) |
Re: As this is an open forum....
Nels
Life - a big game of ping pong:-)
--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., acimgirl <acimgirl@e...> wrote: Your healing is my healing! :) Thank YOU!is (withwhere I know that without Jesus or the Holy Spirit, I would be a little willingness) that the separation is not the truth. And |
Re: As this is an open forum....
acimgirl
Your healing is my healing! :) Thank YOU!
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
mstreet wrote: ?Suzanne wrote:?>>If they say something that pings me then I must suspect that there is an element of truth there.? If I know I am Holy what could possibly ping me?<<?Thanks Suzanne:?I think this is where I know that without Jesus or the Holy Spirit, I would be forever lost, but thank goodness that with Them, I am reminded (with a little willingness) that the separation is not the truth.? And mistakes call only for correction.?Peace Martha? |
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育?
>>I think this is where I know that without Jesus or the Holy Spirit,
I would be forever lost, but thank goodness that with Them, I am reminded (with
a little willingness) that the separation is not the truth.? And mistakes
call only for correction. <<
?
And that correction for me, is only needed in my mind. :-)
?
Martha :-) |
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育Suzanne wrote:
?
>>If they say something that pings me then I must suspect that there
is an element of truth there.? If I know I am Holy what could possibly ping
me?<<
?
Thanks Suzanne:
?
I think this is where I know that without Jesus or the Holy Spirit, I would
be forever lost, but thank goodness that with Them, I am reminded (with a little
willingness) that the separation is not the truth.? And mistakes call only
for correction.
?
Peace Martha??
|
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育Thanks Jim for confirming what I seem to need to learn
over and over again. A comforting thought for me also, comes from the Manual in
which it says:
?
(M.26.4.)
"Do not despair, then, because of limitations. It is your function to escape from them, but not to be without them. If you would be heard by those who suffer, you must speak their language. If you would be savior, you must understand what needs to be escaped. Salvation is not theoretical. Behold the problem, ask for the answer, and then accept it when it comes. Nor will its coming be long delayed. All the help you can accept will be provided, and not one need you have will not be met. Let us not, then, be too concerned with goals for which you are not ready. God takes you where you are and welcomes you. What more could you desire, when this is all you need?" ?
Peace Martha :-)
?
?
I just
love the discussions and the Disappearance book. Normally I don't respond,
(since it's all just for my own awakening)
but I
feel moved to comment on the topic of folks reactions to us. I am thoroughly
convinced that all things are lessons God would have me learn. This means that
if I notice someone's "reaction" to my input, that there is a lesson
for me. This knowing supercedes the issue of whether it's their stuff or my
stuff.. It's all my stuff, since I meet only aspects of
myself.
Disappearance is relentless is affirming that all the
universe is inside the mind.. so trying to "deal" on an external level
is only to deepen the dream.
But
maybe that's just my stuff. Blessings to all. keep it up. Salvation of the world
depends on me (and you, and everyone else I think is not my
Self)
?
?
Jim
Dunn
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the . |
Re: As this is an open forum....
Nels
--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "Jim Dunn"
<jldunn8@c...> wrote: Hi all,don't respond, (since it's all just for my own awakening)I guess a part of your own awakening, also includes helping others awaken, since we are all one? but I feel moved to comment on the topic of folks reactions to us.I am thoroughly convinced that all things are lessons God would have memeet only aspects of myself."The knowing supercedes the issue of whether it's their stuff or my stuff" - Excellent observation! In a sense - your knowing is helping me to know as well - especially when it is shared. In the end the importance is in the knowing not who is doing what! I hope you will consider being moved to respond often:-) Cheers, Nels |
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育Nels wrote:
?
>>Thank you for that clarification to my response. That certainly
rings with truth once I understood it fully! <<
?
Thank you Nels. I must admit that I seem to have so many of the Course
concepts down, but when it comes to actually applying them in my own life, it
often amazes me how everything that I have read or heard, just goes out the
window at times. Only when I sincerely ask for help, (which, I was doing) does
clarification come at a meaningful level.
?
Peace Martha
? |
Re: As this is an open forum....
acimgirl
The example we use a lot in our study groups is this:? If someone
said I was pink with purple polka dots I would just laugh because I would
know it is not true.? If they say something that pings me then I must
suspect that there is an element of truth there.? If I know I am Holy
what could possibly ping me?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Also a good rule of thumb is to ask myself what is this for when I speak
or write on forum like this.? Am I using it for joining or for more
separation.? Words can so often get misconstrued as well so keeping
my motive of peace in focus is extremely important.
Jim Dunn wrote: ?Hi all,I just love the discussions and the Disappearance book. Normally I don't respond, (since it's all just for my own awakening)but I feel moved to comment on the topic of folks reactions to us. I am thoroughly convinced that all things are lessons God would have me learn. This means that if I notice someone's "reaction" to my input, that there is a lesson for me. This knowing supercedes the issue of whether it's their stuff or my stuff.. It's all my stuff, since I meet only aspects of myself.Disappearance is relentless is affirming that all the universe is inside the mind.. so trying to "deal" on an external level is only to deepen the dream.But maybe that's just my stuff. Blessings to all. keep it up. Salvation of the world depends on me (and you, and everyone else I think is not my Self)??Jim Dunn |
Re: As this is an open forum....
Jim Dunn
开云体育Hi
all,
I just
love the discussions and the Disappearance book. Normally I don't respond,
(since it's all just for my own awakening)
but I
feel moved to comment on the topic of folks reactions to us. I am thoroughly
convinced that?all things are?lessons God would have me learn. This
means that if I notice someone's "reaction" to my input, that there is a lesson
for me. This knowing supercedes the issue of whether it's their stuff or my
stuff.. It's all my stuff, since I meet only aspects of
myself.
Disappearance is relentless is affirming that all the
universe is inside the mind.. so trying to "deal" on an external level is only
to deepen the dream.
But
maybe that's just my stuff. Blessings to all. keep it up. Salvation of the world
depends on me (and you, and everyone else I think is not my
Self)
?
?
Jim
Dunn
|
Re: As this is an open forum....
Nels
--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet"
<mastreet@t...> wrote: Hi Nels:Forgiveness is never about the other guy, but only the misperceptions I am harboring in my own mind. Someone else's response would not have any effect on me, if on some level, I had not wanted them. ~ Martha :-)Dear Martha, Thank you for that clarification to my response. That certainly rings with truth once I understood it fully! Blessings, Nels |
Re: Suzanne:
mstreet
开云体育è Nice. BTW
did you have far to go to get to
è Atlanta? My friend was saying that she really wants to è go to another of Ken's workshops in California. è Hi again Ossie: ?
Now I have another
question. How do you get those arrows up there? You know those red arrows? Oh, I
just thought of something ... you probably have a more advanced system than me.
But they really make things stand out. Did you have your own personal computer
in Atlanta? I guess it is one of those lap tops. Nice...
?
Love and Peace Martha
:-) |
Re: As this is an open forum....
mstreet
开云体育Gary wrote;
>>And as to you being 'blunt'....? You, blunt, Martha..?? Direct and to the point, maybe so I don't think I would consider that being "blunt".? "Not afraid to speak your mind", perhaps....<< ?
Well thank you Gary.
>>Now of course your son knows you far better than I, so his opinion may be more realistic than mine....?? ;^)<< ?
As for my son, he thinks that my taking anything like this seriously, is
absolutely hysterical. Of course, he works in a prison and does workshops on
anger management, so my little tiffs probably do seem minor to him. And the more
I think about it, the sillier they seem to me too.
?
Love and hugs back at you.
?
Martha :-) |