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Maybe, maybe not. I just type what comes to my head. ;-)

The best defense, as always, is not to attack another's position,
but rather to protect the truth (T-3.I.2).

Hi Whitney--I went through the whole past lives phase, too. While it was interesting, it doesn't really resolve anything. There is a good section in the Manual in ACIM (Chapter 24, p. 60), that talks about reincarnation.

Like anything else, it depends on how we use it and whether we allow it to be a helpful tool or just another excuse and distraction of the ego mind. The idea of karma is just another way of carrying on the unconscious guilt in our mind to a new "body" after this one "dies". We'll keep recycling until we decide to cut to the chase and wake up from the dream we made.

Our reality is Spirit, not a body--and the goal of the ego is for us to forget that, because if we ever remember who and what we really are---the ego is done for. The Course gives us a practical curriculum to achieve experiences that will "prove" to us there is another and a better way. Our true Self can be discovered by practicing forgiveness as the Course defines it, and getting in touch with the guidance of our Inner Teacher. As the Course says, it is "highly individualized" in the sense that we each may follow a different path to get to this point. It also says that once we become aware of this better way, we will be guided to awakening.

The hardest thing for us to accept is the personal responsibility for our own predicament. We are not a victim of "others" or circumstance:

"Outside the Kingdom, the law that prevails inside is adapted to "What you project you believe". This is its teaching form, because outside the Kingdom learning is essential. This form implies that you will learn what you are from what you have projected onto others, and therefore believe they are. In the Kingdom, there is no teaching or learning, because there is no belief. There is only certainty. God and his Sons, in the surety of being, know that what you extend you are." T-7.II.3

What we see in others that upset us or anger us, is really what we have projected out from our mind so we can believe it is not in us. We have to bring it all back inside the mind and let the Holy Spirit "undo" this belief in separate others--so we can remember and uncloud the blocks to memory of who we really are. Once we accept the fact that this world is a projection (think about a movie in a movie theater when you get lost in the movie), then it becomes a classroom that reflects back to us what is really going on in our own mind. This is what we have to undo. We projected a giant smokescreen of a world to block us from the light of reality.

This undoing takes a while (may be thousands of years or may be an instant), because we have a powerful mind which we have used wrongly and had the "tiny mad idea" that we could actually exist apart from or be God. This one tiny idea--a speck in the timeless universe of Thought was powerful enough to create what we call our world. The problem is--it didn't work. We can never separate ourselves from God because God created us. God will not interfere with our "experiment" because He knows we never really left. We created the concept of "time and space" to give meaning to our illusion. God is outside time and space. Our so-called separation was over and corrected simultaneously---outside time and space. However we are trapped in our own dream because we layered so much illusion and distraction over our guilt from separation from God--that we took ourselves deeper and deeper into the dream. But in reality we never left, and this memory of God (the Holy Spirit) can never leave
us. We all will eventually wake up.

God's Love is extended constantly and continuously---it is always there for us to receive. We block it. Jesus is a man who woke up. His message in ACIM leads us to awaken:

"If you want something else you will make something else, but because it is something else, it will attack your thought system and divide your allegiance. You cannot create in this divided state, and you must be vigilant against this divided state because only peace can be extended. Your divided mind is blocking the extension of the Kingdom, and its extension is your joy. If you do not extend the Kingdom, you are not thinking with your Creator and creating as He created." T-7.VI.12

In other words, we're our own worst enemy. God is not out to get us for the "separation"--it was a blip on God's radar screen that is already over. We did this "oh my god, oh my god...we thought about being God ourselves and now He's going to get us" thing and took it to the degree of ridiculous. Now we see that reflected in the world we made to hide in--it's ridiculous. That's basically it. It's ridiculous. No one in their right mind would actually choose to come here. We're like the kid that got caught and then keeps digging himself deeper and deeper with lies about what he did. "Oh, what a tangled web we weave....", etc.

What the Course does is explain to us what happened and how and why---then proceeds to teach us how it can be undone. As we do this, the benefits we receive experientially--little tastes of Heaven--become more frequent until the scales are tipped in the other direction about what we believe is real and unreal. Once we come to believe and accept who we are 100% without reservation---the rest disappears--poof! Just like a dream does when we wake up. How long "in time" it takes to do this is up to us. We are the ones "in time"--not God, so it really is irrelevant outside time and space.

Forgiveness, as practiced in ACIM is practical because once we realize all of our "problems" are our own projections we can change our mind about how we deal with them. We don't. We let the Holy Spirit deal with them. So we turn our "world into a classroom" and have the opportunity to take everything in our past and present life which causes us anything but peace and joy---and look at it with Jesus or the Holy Spirit for what it is. Nothing. As we change our perception of the world, it begins to reflect back to us in "right perception" and if I love you, I will see love. What we believe about "others" is what we will believe about ourselves.

Simple, but not easy. Our mind is powerful and has a lot "vested" in the illusion we made. But as the Course says, it may be foolproof, but it isn't God-proof. We are still God's creation with all of His power which is more than a match for the ego we made up---but like the Prodigal son, we left Home as One, and we must return as One. Every act of forgiveness, every loving thought, every time we let the Holy Spirit guide us instead of our own wrong-mindedness---we are undoing separation and moving back Home---not just for ourselves but for each other. Because in reality, we are each other.

Love and Peace--Joe

loveholdsnogrievances <loveholdsnogrievances@...> wrote:<<<I don't want to hang around here anymore and try to collect some good karma for a better life next time -- I don't want make up for any bad Karma life after life. I don't want bad karma, and I don't want good karma -- I don't want any karma -- I just want out. It may have sounded shallow to the girl I was talking to -- but I did not care -- it was the most honest thing I could say -- and hear for myself -- and it felt right -- and it was just one more step in realizing I was heading in the right direction with my thinking. It was another major breakthrough for me in wakinging up -- by hearing myself say that to her.
Anyway, thought I was share that for people who are wondering if their lack of interest in the world on the "Mother Teresa" level makes them feel shallow or uncaring. Or to think they have to stick around to do so called "good things" in order to win God's favor - is another insance thought --
It is better to do good from a place where we know we are already good and perfect, and from a place where we already know that we can never be anything else.
Thanks for listening.
Love & Light,
Whitney





--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard"
<garyrrenard@y...> wrote:

For those of you who may be too young to remember Carnation Instant
Breakfast, I apologize for the pun. Am I dating myself? (Hee hee) In
any case, even though ACIM teaches that reincarnation is impossible
because the body isn't real (so we must just be dreaming that we're
living these different incarnations) it also says on P.61 of the
Manual for Teachers, "All that must be recognized however, is that
birth was not the beginning, and death is not the end." Arten and
Pursah talked a lot about different lifetimes, past and future,
including theirs and even a couple of mine. They always reminded me
at some point that like the entire universe, these lifetimes are

only

dreams within a dream. I think that like with Buddhism and Hinduism,
an interest in reincarnation is a major part of most people's
spiritual path at some point, and it certainly was mine. I'd like to
hear any experiences you may have had in this area, whether in
remembering past lives or what your thoughts are on this subject.
Love and peace, Gary.

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So you may want to investigate other paths before you
choose just one. However I strongly recommend that you eventually
choose just one path and then devote yourself only to it (if you are
spiritually inclined to seek the ultimate experience).

Peace, Kevin


Kevin,
Thank you for the input. I appreciate your thoughts on the topic.

Namaste
Kathleen

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...,
ossiedreamson@a... wrote:
Lyn, ACIM is not the only option to go Home, to awaken. But I do
believe it could be the quickest (but not the easiest) way.

Jesus does emphasis that when you find your path, whatever it is,
stick to it, don't mix it up with other spiritual paths, etc.

Ossie
I agree, there are other ways. I do believe, however, that the
principles of ACIM that get you there are the same principles that
eventually get you there without ACIM. That is, when you can truly
see the real world, then you can go home. The way to the real world
is the path of forgiveness. No other religion teaches that, nor do
they seem to understand that. No matter what you call it, the
beliefs embodied in ACIM are where you will ultimately need to go to
get Home. I believe that is why it says that it is a required
course; that you cannot establish the curriculum; and that you
shouldn't mix it with other paths.

Lyn

I know you were speaking to Jeremy Rob, but I had to say what a
great answer you have given and it is so true that while we can
become such deep thinkers while under the weed influence, it all
goes out the window when we settle back to our accustomed, rigorous
point in the illusion.

When I was very young I used to get stoned and read my Tarot cards
thinking I was empowered by the drug to gain more insight and wisdom
LOL! Now I look forward to furthering my enlightenment so I am once
again naturally high and existentially stoned on reality! &#61514;

Many miracles,
Christy





--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "Robby x"
<Silver1069@h...> wrote:

Dear Jeremy:

I started smoking weed at the age of 14. By the age of 16 I was

snorting

cocain and ingesting LSD (acid.) I had a religious experience

while on LSD

that would forever change the way I saw life. It took me to

a "higher"

dimension of "reality." I wished I could stay in that state of

mind

forever. I thought I was experiencing the peace of God in

Heaven. But it

did not last.

For years I looked to drugs for the reproduction of this

experience, to no

avail. Nothing worked to take me back to that "abode of pure

bliss" again

that I longed to return to. I have craved to find it again for

the past 19

years.

I quit cocain and LSD at the age of twenty for fear of what they

were doing

to my body. After four years of using these drugs their toxic

effects upon

my brain began to show up in painfully real ways. I managed to

give them up

with the help of the Holy Spirit but continued to smoke weed on a

regular

basis, rationalizing its use exactly as you do now. I thought

weed helped

me to relax and think more deeply about any subject that I came

across.

When I first found the Course in Miracles I would smoke a joint

before

reading portions of the text believing the weed would help me to

understand

it better. I don't think it did because really I can't remember

any of the

so-called deep thoughts I was having about what I was reading in

the Course.

I now know that the weed was actually causing me to forget alot

of what I

was learning; it worked against me and wasted alot of my time and

effort to

learn what the Holy Spirit in the Course was trying to teach me.

Eventually, I was led by the Holy Spirit to give up the weed. My

mind, as a

result, has never been clearer. But I had to be ready. The Holy

Spirit

never pushed me to give up anything unless I was ready. It never

attacked

me for my wrong-mindedness; It just gently led me to think like It

thinks.

Consequently, I have found that peace of God again but this time

it is real

and not dreamed up. When that peace escapes me in daily life I

know how to

get it back instantly and naturally with the help of Jesus. And

believe me!

It's sometimes a real struggle for me to remember God in my

wanderings.

You see, I've been diagnosed with Bi-polar Disorder and the

doctors say I

should take drugs for it. I obeyed them for three years but the

drugs

did'nt help me. The only drug I take now is the Spirit and it has

only

positive side-effects. Don't waste your time taking drugs to help

you

understand the Course better. Trust me. That does'nt work,

brother. But,

you'll find out for yourself in due time. The Holy Spirit is in

you and It

will not fail you. It never failed me when I looked to It for

help.

In Light,

Rob

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I shared having these same experiences and found it in the archives.

From: ossiedreamson@...
Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: Is this a FAQ?


When I used to go up to Roscoe NY to hear Ken I had strange things happen. But
a lot of strange things seemed to be happening and it seem to have started when
I found the 12 step programs. In doing my 12th step I had to find another way
to deal with God. Thus I was led to Unity and then eventually to ACIM.

I worked the midnight shift in NYC in a downtown high rise.

One night I had my headset on and the song One Moment in Time sung my Whitney
Houston was playing. It was the first time I was able to hear it from the
beginning. This feeling came over me and I knew I needed to be someplace quiet
to listen to it.

So I hurried to a conference room, sat down and closed my eyes and listened to
the song. After the song was finished I decided to sneak in a cat nap. I was
sitting in a very comfortable conference chair looking out the window. I was on
the 48 floor, so there was quite a view and there was big window where it
started practically from the floor.

I closed my eyes and I felt myself leave my body and just fly all over the city.
I was excited because I had similar experiences in the past but it was not as
profound and as real as this. I was aware I was sleep, aware that I was in the
chair, but at the same time aware that I was out there flying.

Then I heard my name on the intercom to report to work. So I said, ooohhh I got
to go. I tried to get up but could not, and I said oh Ossie you are asleep, get
back into your body and wake up. When I woke up only 15 minutes had passed. I
reported back to work and wanted to know who paged me. No one did. So I told
them what happened to me, I was so excited. They just kind of looked at each
other and did the "twilight zone" theme song. :::giggling::::

To make sure it was not a fluke, I went a few more times and sit in the chair
and took off!!!!

I would fly around and then swoop down and dive into the water and for a second
thought I was going to drown but discovered I could breath under water. What I
remember the most about this is how vivid the colors were.

It was a private joke on my job about my adventures, but they were cool with it.

Don't know how long this went on, but what eventually happened is that my son
got shipped to the Gulf war and I got laid off from my job.

I went to work after I got the call about the lay off. I knew it was coming. I
was the last one hired, etc. But an amazing thing happened. As my co-workers
gathered around my cubicle they looked so sad, and was at a loss for words ...
it felt like a wake ;-)

At that moment I saw a light around the group, it was like they were fading away
and then came back and I then I heard the voice, you are done here. At that
moment any sadness that I had left and I was able to smile and it seemed like my
co-workers sensed something happened because they seemed lighter when they left
my desk.

A few weeks later I moved to Colorado.

I have not had those experiences since. But what I have observed over the years
here that those vivid colors I saw in my explorations I saw them here Denver in
various places, so I just took it to mean that I was being prepared to make a
big move.

And for a black girl, an inner city child who grew up in Harlem, and lived in
the south bronx, moving to Colorado was a BIG MOVE!!.

As a Course student, I accept that my reality is not this body, it is not this
world or based on other bodies and every once in awhile I get a glimpse of that.


Usually when the world does not understand something or it does not fit into
their scientific thinking, it becomes a disorder. Maybe it is, or maybe it's
not.

But when we become aware that we are apart of something big and wonderful and we
show a willingness to know what that is, things will happen ... that we cannot
always explain.

Jut take it simply as an experience.

I am
You are
We are

God's beloved Son
With whom He is well pleased.

Peace
Ossie


The best defense, as always, is not to attack another's position,
but rather to protect the truth (T-3.I.2).

Thank you for all your support and input on my paticuliar experience.
I was expecting judgement, yet i sensed healing instead. This truly is
the work of the holy spirit! Thank you friends.
Jeremy

Lyn, ACIM is not the only option to go Home, to awaken. But I do believe it could be the quickest (but not the easiest) way.

Jesus does emphasis that when you find your path, whatever it is, stick to it, don't mix it up with other spiritual paths, etc.

Peace
Ossie

The best defense, as always, is not to attack another's position,
but rather to protect the truth (T-3.I.2).

Ed, the passage from the Course is quite clear to me. The Christ does not exist here in the illusion. But the memory of the Christ that is represented by the Holy Spirit and Jesus, who is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit, is fully accessible to each of us when we are ready to do our part in relinquishing the investment in being an ego and perpetuating this illusion.

It goes back to the first workbook lessons, The Christ cannot inhabit a body, because there is no body. ;-)

Peace
Ossie

The best defense, as always, is not to attack another's position,
but rather to protect the truth (T-3.I.2).

Hey friends, We had a GREAT workshop in St. Louis last weekend. I
also
got to the top of the famous St. Louis Arch (cool!) got a little wet
at the Mississippi River, went to a St. Louis Cardinals baseball
game
(hey, I HAD to see where the Sox won their illusive, and illusory,
World Series) and, on a touching
note, I went (or returned) to Cahokia Mounds, the home of the Great
Sun, the great American Indian teacher who is described on pages
62-65
of DU. I was there a thousand years ago and I knew him, and when I
returned to the top of Cahokia Mound this time I had a vision
that I'll share with you in the next book. For now, let's just say
it was stunning, and it was like going home.

This weekend I'm off to Pathways of Light in Kiel, Wisconsin. Also,
I hope you'll read the new weekly message at my website (
www.GaryRenard.com ) in which I give updated information about the
Spanish translation of the book. I hope you'll check it out, along
with my Appearance schedule and MANY other features at the site.
That D. Patrick Miller guy, my webmaster and publishing consultant,
does high quality work. Don't tell him I said so, though, as it will
just go to his head.
Love,
Gary

It is > my firm belief that we have been given the greatest

opportunity in history to get the crash course in forgiveness in order
to reach the Atonement. The Holy Spirit led you here for a reason.
Take advantage....

Lyn

Lyn,
I am and I will, just asking. Always curious (the ego, you know)
Kathleen

Forgiveness is recognizing that in a world where God exists, there can
be nothing else .... all of our illusions are a dream.

Lyn,

Thank you for your loving thoughts.

I have spent many years bristling at the concept of "religion" and I
admit that all the God-talk of DU makes me question what I am choosing
to believe today and what I previously held to be true. When I
remember to put it all on God's table (actually, in my mind's eye, the
troubles in the old kit bag kind of disappear at the door to the
sunroom) I feel ever so much more at peace. AND I totally get that it
is the ego making me wonder if I wasted a lot of years by not attending
church or more so believing in their stuff.

I find myself neglecting the Workbook. Again I get it's the ego.
Anybody got any tricks up their sleeve they use to stay the course?
Kathleen

--- In
Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "iseetheillusion"
<iseetheillusion@y...> wrote:

So, has anyone out there done what Jesus, and Arten and Pursah

have

accomplished.
In DU either Arten or Pursah state that ACIM is not the only way

to

achieve Atonement.
What are other options?

Kathleen,
there are really no other options. In the Introduction to the Text
of ACIM, Jesus says:

"Introduction
This is a course in miracles. It is a required course. Only the time
you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean that you can
establish the curriculum. It means only that you can elect what you
want to take at a given time. The course does not aim at teaching
the meaning of love, for that is beyond what can be taught. It does
aim, however, at removing the blocks to the awareness of love's
presence, which is your natural inheritance. The opposite of love is
fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.

This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God."

Other paths will eventually lead in the right direction, but this is
the only curriculum that will get you where you need to go. It is
my firm belief that we have been given the greatest opportunity in
history to get the crash course in forgiveness in order to reach the
Atonement. The Holy Spirit led you here for a reason. Take
advantage....

Lyn

Ossie offers:

The Christ in you inhabits not a body. Yet He is in you.
And thus it must be that you are not within a body.
What is within you cannot be outside.
..............................................................
How about it being more like this, Osse.....? Ed

The Christ "in you" does not inhabit a "body". Yet He is there, as
your Reality waiting to be discovered.

And thus, what you really are, is also there……where he is, apart
from a body bound to death. Because he has escaped the hold of death
on REAL LIFE.

What is within your awareness of being (LIFE) cannot be
found "outside" where effects are reflected in matter. Life is not
an "effect". Life is the power that causes expression and has its
home in God.

And it is certain.... that you cannot be "apart" from what is
at the very center of your life.... allowing you to generate effects
also. What gives you Life cannot find itself tied up in a cage to
find a harvest in death. It cannot be condensed and separated until
it becomes a tiny effect and yet remain what it is.

You CANNOT be the "tiny life" which bows to a temporary existence to
be destroyed. Death has no part in what you really are, life
Forevermore. That was the commandment given.

The body's circuitous paths that forms embankments, does not belong
within the living stream that offers only Life. It merely stands at
the sidelines like the shore of a river to witness "the flowing" as
The Living River of Life passes by its banks on its way to the sea.

Christ remains within a frame of Holiness whose only purpose
is that He may be made manifest to those who know
Him not, that He may call to them to come to Him and see
Him there...where they thought their bodies were.

Then.... will their "bodies" melt away, that they may frame His
Holiness "in their own expressions".

T-25.in.2.
No one who carries Christ in him can fail to recognize
Him everywhere....Except "as" bodies.
And as long as anyone believes he is the small captured life in a
body, he carries God's own Son unknowingly.

And thus embodied man does not recognize the Holy Son where He is,
at the heart of REAL LIFE.
Therefore he does not make Him manifest as "his own Reality".

Where he thinks he is…"embodied"..... He cannot be, "existing as a
body" for the purposes a body finds acceptable in separation.

And so, The son of man is NOT the risen Christ. They are separate.

Yet does the Son of God abide with the lost son,
and walks with him within his sharing of holiness.
Christ is still recognizeable and expressible through this temporary
body as embodied man find that Spirit of Blessing which holds life
and not death in its hands as a gift.

So, has anyone out there done what Jesus, and Arten and Pursah have
accomplished.
In DU either Arten or Pursah state that ACIM is not the only way to
achieve Atonement.
What are other options?
Kathleen

Past lifes are something to note but not dwell on. I could care less
about past lifes. I am guessing if my intuitional experiences are
correct - I remember during one meditation that I was a black baby
about a year old left in the dessert of perhaps Africa to die of
thirst and starvation. I sat there in the hot sun alone with just a
blanket wrapped around me. In this lifetime I will not visit places
like Arizona, the middle east, or Vegas or any place that has a hot
dessert. I always travel to caribbean type places or places with an
abundance of vegetation. That experience was a visual from
meditating.

Another visual from meditating was that I was a type of Priest of a
high order, dressed like the Pope (seemed like during Roman times) - I
was standing on the bow of a large ship and raising my hand over the
heads of people in a crowd surrounding the boat and blessing them. In
another life which I remember more intrinsically in my being while in
my everyday walking arond state- I was a French solder - an actual
Three Muskateer and I lived in France - and spent a lot of time in
Paris -- I had the cape, the feather hat, and the sword, the whole
bit -- I don't remember if I raped and pillaged alot or if I was just
a noble solder -- I don't know how I died, or if by the sword or not.
I do remember during my first trip to Paris in 1985 - the cobble stone
streets I walked down felt very, very familiar -- I knew I had been in
Paris before in another lifetime, and I knew it was during the
lifetime when I was a Three muskateer (one for all, and all for one).
I enjoyed my vacation in Paris as a young woman here in this life time
just on vacation in Paris, but I felt no need to investigate this past
experience of being in Paris in another lifetime. I also felt no need
to come back and visit Paris again it in this lifetime. I felt the
need to leave it in the past and move on -- and that going back was
uninteresting and unnecessary.

I always felt that it was totally irrelevant to try to remember past
lives or spend time entertaining the idea or if it happened or not or
what happened. Also, I always felt that blaming bad karma in this
life on what we did in a past life is really a believe in a form of
punishment and guilt rather than "forgiveness" So I never felt
comfortable with Karma as it is is often taught in many eastern
religions from that perspective. First of all I could never remember
much or any of my past lives, whether I was so called, bad or good,
and therefore cannot forgive what I can't remember anyway, so why
dwell on it -- it felt ridiculous do try to find out in the past what
is causing my present suffering and then forgive it -- I also
suspected that it would be ridiculous for God causing me to suffer in
this life time for something I did many lifetimes ago for which I
don't remember anyway. So how could I even atone for it, if I did not
even remembe it anyway, and then also -- who really decided if
whatever I did was right or wrong anyway -- who was the judge of that
anyway.

I had a a friend Darrell in Grammer school who was only nine years old
who would steal food everyday from the grocery store to help feed his
family. His mother cleaned houses for a living to raise seven
children on her own. My friend Darrek loved his mother and his
brothers and sisters, and he made sure he did whatever he needed to to
make sure they ate. I mean he was considered a thief in an
authorities (police, shop keeper, school principles eyes) etc. and
perhaps God's eyes according to some religions, but was he really --
and did he really need to pay for that in bad Karmu -- who decided it
was bad. Also, people do things out of obligation, if you are a
soldier in the dream, serving your country - a soldier fights and
kills -- so how can one judge that when that is his job as a soldier (b
(besides the fact that it is just a dream anyway) -- and for those who
kill and hurt others from a state of fear -- that's just an action out
of fear -- or wrong mindedness - anyway - even with Hitler, or Manson -
- I mean it is not a judgement call -- it's about compassion and
forgiveness in understanding why people do what they do -- they feel
separate and afraid and think they can find what they need outside
themselves --- that is just a mistake -- not a judgement call, -- that
is why I always thought if there is karma in the sense of paying for
the wrongs one did in the past, and reaping the rewards of the good
that one did in the past -- it has nothing to do with God. I always
felt it was a made up belief system to keep the world going round and
round and round -- I always suspected that this is exaclty what the
idea of Karma did - kept everyone stuck on the wheel -- so although I
preferred much of the Eastern philosphosies of catholiscism - I knew
that all religions had dogmatic beliefs to overcome in order to
awaken.

I got really honest with myself two years ago, when after a yoga
posture class - I was talking with another yoga student in the
dressing room -- and she got on the subject of Karma -- Anyway, the
conversation ended up with her asking - Why do you want to get out of
the world? Don't you want to be in the world and help people, and
people less fortunate then us such as orphans, starving people, abused
women, war veterans etc, etc. And I had to say, honestly, No, I
don't -- I don't want to be here anymore at all for any reason. I
don't want to hang around here anymore and try to collect some good
karma for a better life next time -- I don't want make up for any bad
Karma life after life. I don't want bad karma, and I don't want good
karma -- I don't want any karma -- I just want out.

It may have sounded shallow to the girl I was talking to -- but I did
not care -- it was the most honest thing I could say -- and hear for
myself -- and it felt right -- and it was just one more step in
realizing I was heading in the right direction with my thinking. It
was another major breakthrough for me in wakinging up -- by hearing
myself say that to her.

Anyway, thought I was share that for people who are wondering if their
lack of interest in the world on the "Mother Teresa" level makes them
feel shallow or uncaring. Or to think they have to stick around to do
so called "good things" in order to win God's favor - is another
insance thought --

It is better to do good from a place where we know we are already good
and perfect, and from a place where we already know that we can never
be anything else.

Thanks for listening.

Love & Light,
Whitney





--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard"
<garyrrenard@y...> wrote:

For those of you who may be too young to remember Carnation Instant
Breakfast, I apologize for the pun. Am I dating myself? (Hee hee) In
any case, even though ACIM teaches that reincarnation is impossible
because the body isn't real (so we must just be dreaming that we're
living these different incarnations) it also says on P.61 of the
Manual for Teachers, "All that must be recognized however, is that
birth was not the beginning, and death is not the end." Arten and
Pursah talked a lot about different lifetimes, past and future,
including theirs and even a couple of mine. They always reminded me
at some point that like the entire universe, these lifetimes are

only

dreams within a dream. I think that like with Buddhism and Hinduism,
an interest in reincarnation is a major part of most people's
spiritual path at some point, and it certainly was mine. I'd like to
hear any experiences you may have had in this area, whether in
remembering past lives or what your thoughts are on this subject.
Love and peace, Gary.

"Rich2600" <rich2600@y...> wrote:
For many years now I have been having these "dreams" either where I
think I have woken up, or sometimes cannot not distinguish if I am
still dreaming or not and I think im walking around my room, but at
a
very slow slow pace and requires a lot of effort. Everything is
kind
of dreamy. My mind is completely awake, but my body isn't. With
both of these dreams, comes tremendous feelings of fear. Sometimes
even there are negative entities there also..
.....................................................................
..
Rich, you naturally have a foot in the door to a unique state while
you are sleeping. This state borders on planes of existence where
those who die go. Not all of them on any one level. It is a realm or
plane in which spirit moves unhindered by thought projection. It
also has a side to it that is causing your fear. Thought reigns in
this state. Carnal beings which have left their bodies through death
are hung up in these spirit realms because they maintain the same
focus looking to associate with embodied people to seek a very close
association that can lead to their sharing your body and all its
access to the world of bodies. This is classical possession.
SOmetimes they use your mind and thoughts to try to bring you closer
to them. Sometimes they seek addicts to associate with their old
ways of drunkenness and intoxication locking them more strongly in
those chains for their benefit. You did the right thing in
controlling the situation by diffusing it mentally and not giving
them emotions to feed off of. You also have a natural ability to
explore these crossroads as you feel more bolder and confident.
You can cross the globe with the leap of a thought when you get it
more under control on your terms. It is an ancient practice used by
seers through the centuries called astral Projection and there is
much information concerning it on the web. Watch what mental foods
you provide your mind. If you are fascinated with violent movies or
video games, you will have provided a scent for this realm as an
attractant. They have the ability to exploit your weakness on their
turf, provided you give them reason. Keeping a peaceful and blessing
nature as you have learned is the best means of going forward, if
that is your wish to learn there.
Ed