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Drake TR-7 - A repair journey


 

Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting.

A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-(

This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found:

On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now.

On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail.

On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box.

On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here?

On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end.

On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here?

On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector.

Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper.

With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here!

My thanks to:

  • Stefan, DL7MAJ, whose YouTube videos inspired me to actually start a job I had been putting off for too long and for his 'cheat sheet' of bandswitch BCD values.
  • Tom Evans for his 'Parent Board pinout' document and Jim Shorney's diagram of 'Parent Board Pin Numbering', both in the 'Files' section of the group, were / are essential reading.
  • Mike, G3ZCC, whose hi-res scans of the circuits were just right for printing and scribbling on.

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

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What a job!!!?
Thanks for sharing your journey and good luck with the TX!
I also brought back life to two ?junk TR7s¡°. (Yours sounds really terrible¡­) ?You learn a lot about the radio that way. ?And you appreciate that there isn¡¯t really much that can¡¯t be repaired in a TR7.?
73, Dieter DL5RDO


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.02.2024 um 19:08 schrieb atlasstuff <g4fph@...>:

?Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting.

A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-(

This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found:

On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now.

On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail.

On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box.

On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here?

On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end.

On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here?

On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector.

Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper.

With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here!

My thanks to:

  • Stefan, DL7MAJ, whose YouTube videos inspired me to actually start a job I had been putting off for too long and for his 'cheat sheet' of bandswitch BCD values.
  • Tom Evans for his 'Parent Board pinout' document and Jim Shorney's diagram of 'Parent Board Pin Numbering', both in the 'Files' section of the group, were / are essential reading.
  • Mike, G3ZCC, whose hi-res scans of the circuits were just right for printing and scribbling on.

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

Wow, Great dedication!

Congratulations.

Marty
KL7AM


From: "atlasstuff" <g4fph@...>
To: "DRAKE-RADIO" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 9:08:37 AM
Subject: [DRAKE-RADIO] Drake TR-7 - A repair journey

Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting.

A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-(

This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found:

On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now.

On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail.

On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box.

On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here?

On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end.

On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here?

On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector.

Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper.

With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here!

My thanks to:

  • Stefan, DL7MAJ, whose YouTube videos inspired me to actually start a job I had been putting off for too long and for his 'cheat sheet' of bandswitch BCD values.
  • Tom Evans for his 'Parent Board pinout' document and Jim Shorney's diagram of 'Parent Board Pin Numbering', both in the 'Files' section of the group, were / are essential reading.
  • Mike, G3ZCC, whose hi-res scans of the circuits were just right for printing and scribbling on.

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

Nice work Mark! It sounds like you are bringing a poor abused child back to useful existence. Well worth the time and trouble.

The band switch detent is pretty light on these. Is is the ball and leaf spring at the rear. The stiff wire attached to the the bulkhead between sections is a ground point for the shaft.

If you have not already I recommend that you replace capacitor C2108 on the power supply board. This is the hardest working electrolytic in the radio and is prone to failure in strange ways. Also, 10-turn trim pots for the fixed passband adjustments are a worthy upgrade documented on the internet by PA0CMU.



The TR7 boards were nicely photo documented some years ago here.



ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 10:08:37 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting.

A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-(

This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found:

On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now.

On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail.

On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box.

On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here?

On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end.

On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here?

On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector.

Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper.

With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here!

My thanks to:

* Stefan, DL7MAJ, whose YouTube videos inspired me to actually start a job I had been putting off for too long and for his 'cheat sheet' of bandswitch BCD values.
* Tom Evans for his 'Parent Board pinout' document and Jim Shorney's diagram of 'Parent Board Pin Numbering', both in the 'Files' section of the group, were / are essential reading.
* Mike, G3ZCC, whose hi-res scans of the circuits were just right for printing and scribbling on.

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.






--

73

-Jim
NU0C


 

Here we go. I think this was what I found. I was not actually searching for errors at the time and I neglected to make any notes. Tom's drawing is an amazing work. Buy the guy a beer (or two)! I can imagine how much time he spent on this.

Document Drake TR-7 Parent Board pinout_20210520_11x17.pdf:

Pin 11/30 (5.645 MHz carrier> PBT 10/32) should be 13.6 V DC
Pin 10/32 (5.645 MHz Carrier > 2nd IF 11/30) should be 5.645 MHz Carrier > Transmit Exciter 3/27
Pin 3/27 (5.645 MHz carrier > PBT 10/22) should be 5.645 MHz carrier < PBT 10/32

I think that's all.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:06:11 -0600
"Jim Shorney via groups.io" <jimNU0C@...> wrote:

ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look.

--

73

-Jim
NU0C


 


Jim,

Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc.? No matter how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes?can spot unseen errors.

As I get time, I'll update the document and replace it.

Mark G4FPH, I'm glad you found it useful and thank you for the kind comments.

Thanks,
Tom, AG9X


On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:04?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:

Here we go. I think this was what I found. I was not actually searching for errors at the time and I neglected to make any notes. Tom's drawing is an amazing work. Buy the guy a beer (or two)! I can imagine how much time he spent on this.

Document Drake TR-7 Parent Board pinout_20210520_11x17.pdf:

Pin 11/30 (5.645 MHz carrier> PBT 10/32) should be 13.6 V DC
Pin 10/32 (5.645 MHz Carrier > 2nd IF 11/30) should be 5.645 MHz Carrier > Transmit Exciter 3/27
Pin 3/27 (5.645 MHz carrier > PBT 10/22) should be 5.645 MHz carrier < PBT 10/32

I think that's all.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:06:11 -0600
"Jim Shorney via " <jimNU0C=[email protected]> wrote:

> ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look.


--

73

-Jim
NU0C



 

Mark,

Just so you know, when the Vatican representative shows up, I have nominated you for sainthood.? :)

Regards,

Kirk, NT0Z

My book, "Stealth Amateur Radio," is now available from www.stealthamateur.com and on the Amazon Kindle (soon)


On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 03:21:04 PM CST, Tom Evans <tom.ag9x@...> wrote:



Jim,

Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc.? No matter how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes?can spot unseen errors.

As I get time, I'll update the document and replace it.

Mark G4FPH, I'm glad you found it useful and thank you for the kind comments.

Thanks,
Tom, AG9X


On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:04?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:

Here we go. I think this was what I found. I was not actually searching for errors at the time and I neglected to make any notes. Tom's drawing is an amazing work. Buy the guy a beer (or two)! I can imagine how much time he spent on this.

Document Drake TR-7 Parent Board pinout_20210520_11x17.pdf:

Pin 11/30 (5.645 MHz carrier> PBT 10/32) should be 13.6 V DC
Pin 10/32 (5.645 MHz Carrier > 2nd IF 11/30) should be 5.645 MHz Carrier > Transmit Exciter 3/27
Pin 3/27 (5.645 MHz carrier > PBT 10/22) should be 5.645 MHz carrier < PBT 10/32

I think that's all.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:06:11 -0600
"Jim Shorney via " <jimNU0C=[email protected]> wrote:

> ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look.


--

73

-Jim
NU0C



 

I can relate to that Tom. It does seem that no matter how many times I proof something I still miss things too often. I hope if anyone spots any errors in my stuff they will let me know. Thanks for all that you do.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 15:20:48 -0600
"Tom Evans" <Tom.AG9X@...> wrote:

Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc. No matter
how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes can
spot unseen errors.


--

73

-Jim
NU0C


 

Jim,

Thanks for the pointer regarding that electrolytic capacitor on the power supply board. No, I did not change it when I had the board out. I will make a note for the future, but will not disturb the board again until I have the transmitter-side working. The Heathkit Shop used to make a nice-looking, replacement power supply board for the TR-7, but not sure whether they still do. I recall mailing the owner a few years ago and he was not willing to ship to the UK because of all the trading complications resulting from the UK leaving the EU. I see there's a potential alternative here: but not sure whether these are in production and for sale yet.

"The band switch detent is pretty light on these. Is is the ball and leaf spring at the rear. The stiff wire attached to the the bulkhead between sections is a ground point for the shaft." Mine does not have any ball and leaf spring. Probably fell on the floor of a previous OM's shack, along with some of the screws:-( If you or anyone has a picture and/or any dimensions of how things should be, I would be grateful. Otherwise, I will figure it out.

I do have another TR-7 - a very nice, late model, made just prior to when Drake started producing the TR-7A. Plus / minus some minor connector oxidation issues, that one has always worked well. Problem is, when stuff just works, there's little incentive to learn much about what goes on inside. Fixing up this 'basket case' TR-7 has forced me to understand the design, which will be good for maintaining the 'fleet' in future. Having needed to get to the LPF and HPF areas of the radio, I now understand why Drake decided to split the rear panel in the later models!

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

Hi Mark,

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 01:59:48 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

The Heathkit Shop used to make a nice-looking, replacement power supply board for the TR-7, but not sure whether they still do.
Mike is a member of this group. I am sure he will respond.

I recall mailing the owner a few years ago and he was not willing to ship to the UK because of all the trading complications resulting from the UK leaving the EU. I see there's a potential alternative here: but not sure whether these are in production and for sale yet.

Mine does not have any ball and leaf spring.
I may be mis-remembering that it has a ball, but the detent is at the rear panel.

I do have another TR-7 - a very nice, late model, made just prior to when Drake started producing the TR-7A. Plus / minus some minor connector oxidation issues, that one has always worked well. Problem is, when stuff just works, there's little incentive to learn much about what goes on inside. Fixing up this 'basket case' TR-7 has forced me to understand the design, which will be good for maintaining the 'fleet' in future. Having needed to get to the LPF and HPF areas of the radio, I now understand why Drake decided to split the rear panel in the later models!
You are behind the curve. I have three. :) Along with two R7 receivers. Only one of my TR7s has the slit panel. I wish they had done that from the start. My #1 has some band switch issues from years of use so I am currently running on one of the spares. Sadly, the one with the split panel has the fewest options...


--

73

-Jim
NU0C


 

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Hi, Mark¡­.

As Jim, NU0C mentioned, I do have the power supply/osc board for the TR7 along with the extension boards for the TOP cards. I¡¯m working on the set for the bottom cards.?

This is not the place to discuss prices and such, so pop me a note at : heathkitshop at me dot com


Here are some photos of the boards

I¡¯m mike, wb8vge?
The heathkit shop









On


 

To the group:

I made three corrections to the TR-7 Parent Board pinout docs and posted the updated Excel file and PDF file to the files section here:


The older version of the files have been deleted to conserve space.

Thanks again to Jim Shorney for catching the errors.

73, Tom, AG9X


On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:33?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:

I can relate to that Tom. It does seem that no matter how many times I proof something I still miss things too often. I hope if anyone spots any errors in my stuff they will let me know. Thanks for all that you do.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 15:20:48 -0600
"Tom Evans" <Tom.AG9X@...> wrote:

> Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc.? No matter
> how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes can
> spot unseen errors.



 

@Tom: Thanks for those fixes. I will remember to go grab the updated version. Coming to the radio with zero practical experience of what was inside, just finding where to put the probe was a real challenge until I found your document.

@Mike: Thanks for you post. I hope you are in good health. I will send you an e-mail regarding the power supply board. TI and others have some amazing switching regulator IC's available these days. If I had time for a design challenge, it would be to have a go at replacing all of the linear regulators with them. The +24 and -5 Volt rails must run hardly any current. Has anyone measured the current draw on the +10 and +5 Volt rails. In any case, must be less than 5-Amp and 1-Amp respectively.


@Group: I now have the TR-7 transmitter working OK. The Drake 7077 mic that came with the radio sounded somewhat average, so I plugged in the Shure 444 that I use on my other TR-7. It didn't work - what!? The reason was that this low s/n TR-7 did not have the 470k resistor installed between pins 1 & 4 on the rear of the microphone socket. It now has, and the 444 sounds good.

The transmitter produces 100 W RF out up to and including 20 metres. On 15 metres, it's down to around 85 W. On 10 metres, it's down to about 25 W, so some work to do. Despite having a low s/n of just over 1000, this TR-7 has the MkII pre-driver board in the PA, whic I guess is a good thing.

I have some 'talkback' / low-level undemodulated SSB getting back into the speaker when I transmit. Think I read somewhere that the early models were prone to this and that separating out the Hi- and Lo- Amps lines in the DC power lead (like Atlas did!) helps. I will try this. Any other tips for getting rid?

I got to try out my jumper board, when I went to balance out the carrier. Would have been nice if Drake had put a suitable hole in the DR-7 board so the pot on the transmit exciter that needs adjusting was easily accessible <grumpy face>. I did have a nice find when I went digging to do the transmit carrier balance - an AUX 7 card installed, with the three Drake diode modules fitted for full 0 - 1.5 MHz receive coverage, plus a previous owner had made some, Christmas-tree style, modules for 30, 17 and 12 metres. So, I did have a bit of luck after all the pain!

Regards,

Mark.


 

Mark,

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 11:02:15 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

@Mike: Thanks for you post. I hope you are in good health. I will send you an e-mail regarding the power supply board. TI and others have some amazing switching regulator IC's available these days. If I had time for a design challenge, it would be to have a go at replacing all of the linear regulators with them. The +24 and -5 Volt rails must run hardly any current. Has anyone measured the current draw on the +10 and +5 Volt rails. In any case, must be less than 5-Amp and 1-Amp respectively.
The +24 supplies a boost voltage to the PLL for faster lock. The -5 back-biases the PIN diodes on the IF filter board and typically measures arounf -3 to -4. Not very critical it seems. I wouldn't go nuts about replacing the regulators. The original design is very good. There was a blurb in QST years ago about adding some bypass caps to the regulators to reduce noise. It may be in the group file section but if not I can probably dig it up.

@Group: I now have the TR-7 transmitter working OK. The Drake 7077 mic that came with the radio sounded somewhat average, so I plugged in the Shure 444 that I use on my other TR-7. It didn't work - what!? The reason was that this low s/n TR-7 did not have the 470k resistor installed between pins 1 & 4 on the rear of the microphone socket. It now has, and the 444 sounds good.
I was going to mention that eventually. I have a 7077. Not impressed with it. Most any other mic sounds better in my experience.

The transmitter produces 100 W RF out up to and including 20 metres. On 15 metres, it's down to around 85 W. On 10 metres, it's down to about 25 W, so some work to do. Despite having a low s/n of just over 1000, this TR-7 has the MkII pre-driver board in the PA, whic I guess is a good thing.
The ALC threshold is lowered by a pair of resistors on the band switch for 15 and 10 meters due to lower gain of the transistors at higher frequencies. A good PA deck should easily do 140+ on 20m and very close to 100 0n 15/10 when adjusted to service manual spec. The version 2 predriver was a standard upgrade by Drake service. Apparently they had a lot of trouble with the original.

I have some 'talkback' / low-level undemodulated SSB getting back into the speaker when I transmit. Think I read somewhere that the early models were prone to this and that separating out the Hi- and Lo- Amps lines in the DC power lead (like Atlas did!) helps. I will try this. Any other tips for getting rid?
That somewhere is probably here:



Also check that you have a 470uF capacitor on the bottom side from pin 10 of the Power Supply board to chassis.

I did have a nice find when I went digging to do the transmit carrier balance - an AUX 7 card installed, with the three Drake diode modules fitted for full 0 - 1.5 MHz receive coverage, plus a previous owner had made some, Christmas-tree style, modules for 30, 17 and 12 metres. So, I did have a bit of luck after all the pain!
Lucky score!


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73

-Jim
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Jim,

Thanks for the link to the mods. That was the ref. I had been looking for. I will check the decoupling and add an additional wire into my DC power lead.

I'm wondering what to do with the chassis screws that are broken off in their pem (I think that's what they are called) nuts. I can't imagine the nuts are designed to be pulled out and replaced. Anyone have experience to share here, please?

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

If it is not cross threaded you may be able to tease the broken stub out with a dental pick or other sharp pointy thing. Or if you had the proper tools, very carefully drill it out. I don't know of anyone who has had any success that way. Generally I dislike PEM nuts. Your options are limited. You don't want to pop it out of the chassis. If you have to replace it you need to go to the next size up and enlarge the hole accordingly.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:17:13 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

I'm wondering what to do with the chassis screws that are broken off in their pem (I think that's what they are called) nuts. I can't imagine the nuts are designed to be pulled out and replaced. Anyone have experience to share here, please?

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-Jim
NU0C


 

Jim,

Thanks! I fear this may be one of those occasions where the best course of action is do nothing / just live with the consequences of someone else's butchery:-( I did try to move the headless screw stuck in one of the nuts, but it would not budge. My friend has a well-equipped mechanical workshop (which I do not). Maybe a small, left-handed drill bit would work.

I did find this, but it was not encouraging:


I was listening to the 20 m band on the TR-7 last night, enjoying signals from the US booming in, when the synthesiser unlocked and the digital display spun off to 17.xxx.x. I checked all of the power supply rails and they were normal. Turning the radio off for 10 minutes and then back on fixed it. This thing really is the gift that keeps giving!

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

Sounds like lingering Molexia somewhere. The DR7 can be particularly sensitive to connector issues due to the usual method of pulling and reinstalling it. Any time you have a board out it a good idea to inspect the female connector contacts to endure none of them are deformed. It could also be that the AUX switch needs cleaning.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 07:53:00 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

I was listening to the 20 m band on the TR-7 last night, enjoying signals from the US booming in, when the synthesiser unlocked and the digital display spun off to 17.xxx.x.
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-Jim
NU0C


 

Jim,

I think you may be right! The issue is not directly a heat-related one as, when I first turned the radio on from cold this morning, the loop was unlocked. Quite the opposite of the 'unlocked when hot' symptom I was seeing the other day.

After warming up a little, reception came good. I then hooked up the scope to various pins on the motherboard belonging to the VCO board, willing it to go wrong again! After a while, it obliged. In the fault condition, all the power rails stayed good, as did the 500 kHz reference signal from the PBT reference board. The 500 kHz pulses coming into the VCO from the translator board were almost non-existent in amplitude, however. If I wound the scope sensitivity right up, I could see the frequency of the pulse train from the translator board changing in a believable manner with the position band switch, which was good.

At this stage, I started physically pressing on the parent board in the space between the VCO and translator boards and, specifically, on either end of the Molex on the translator board carrying pins 10-18. Doing this caused the loop to lock and unlock for a while until it settled in a locked condition and would not fault again.

Prior to ripping the DR-7 board out again, and as the rear connector of the DR-7 lands on the translator board, I started applying pressure to the DR-7 rear connector. Lo and behold that would bring the fault on again.

So, I suspect 'Molexia' on the translator and DR-7 boards, or maybe a bad joint on the pins somewhere. I will inspect, clean and re-solder as necessary...

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.


 

The DR7 connectors are likely suspects. They are stressed by the usual method of removing and re-installing the DR7. Which is why I suggest always inspecting the connectors, both male and female. The female contacts can deform. The male pins can be problematic because they have connections on the bottom side that you can't see under the plastic connector body until you pry it away from the board. And these connections tend to not be flowed through from the top side. My first TR7 had the same issue as yours and I had to leave the top cover loose and occasionally push on the DR7 when it unlocked. Every so often I would pull it out and resolder a few connections until I finally fixed it. I'm still not sure if it was a solder connection or a connector issue but it's been reliable for years since.

Another possibility is the connector at the rear edge of the DR7 can be easily pushed too far down when installing the DR7. This can result in an intermittent short to the Translator board. My solution to that was to place a small flat adhesive rubber bumper under the DR7 at the rear edge.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 09:01:49 -0800
"atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote:

Jim,

I think you may be right! The issue is not directly a heat-related one as, when I first turned the radio on from cold this morning, the loop was unlocked. Quite the opposite of the 'unlocked when hot' symptom I was seeing the other day.

After warming up a little, reception came good. I then hooked up the scope to various pins on the motherboard belonging to the VCO board, willing it to go wrong again! After a while, it obliged. In the fault condition, all the power rails stayed good, as did the 500 kHz reference signal from the PBT reference board. The 500 kHz pulses coming into the VCO from the translator board were almost non-existent in amplitude, however. If I wound the scope sensitivity right up, I could see the frequency of the pulse train from the translator board changing in a believable manner with the position band switch, which was good.

At this stage, I started physically pressing on the parent board in the space between the VCO and translator boards and, specifically, on either end of the Molex on the translator board carrying pins 10-18. Doing this caused the loop to lock and unlock for a while until it settled in a locked condition and would not fault again.

Prior to ripping the DR-7 board out again, and as the rear connector of the DR-7 lands on the translator board, I started applying pressure to the DR-7 rear connector. Lo and behold that would bring the fault on again.

So, I suspect 'Molexia' on the translator and DR-7 boards, or maybe a bad joint on the pins somewhere. I will inspect, clean and re-solder as necessary...

Regards,

Mark, G4FPH.






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73

-Jim
NU0C