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Drake TR7 transmit limit on digital modes
The Drake TR7 has beer great rig for me. I had an old Kantronics KAM XL I wanted to interface with its but decide to go back to the future and something like what was available when the sig was made. I found a little VT100 terminal emulator on eBay and added a vintage keyboard and a VGA monitor. Now I can use the tnc directly by typing in commands. So for I have managed to make contacts on PSK31 and RTTY including one to Honduras.
Before I continue to work these modes I need to the digital power limits for the rig. My manual mentions that there are none if you have the for that my rig has. I am skeptical about this. What should I power to limit my power to? Tim Gordish W1TM TR7 #6925 |
Re: TR7A wattmeter
All bands. I like the idea of putting the Tiny SA nearby to see if it "sees" anything else going on. I'm going to print these responses and put them on top of the rig so that I remember them when I remove the cover.? Right now, I have a T-4XB on the bench that's making me pull out my hair.? Carrier oscillator won't oscillate.? the grid and cathode voltages are off but not by a lot.? I have a known-good T-4XB next to it and I'm comparing resistances and voltages.? I'm finding issues with resistances at the GAIN control.? The pots are good but something else is happening there.? I never realised that the amplitude of the CO changed with the GAIN setting.? This all goes through a very manky-looking FUNCTION switch... More later... Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
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On Tuesday, April 23rd, 2024 at 1:35 PM, Bob Loving <bob.loving@...> wrote:
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Re: L7 makes alot of smoke
Well thought I had it fixed but again without any notice, large spark and bang.? Lost the .82 in the power supply and I suspect the 47 ohm parasitic resistors in the Amp.? I was using 47 ohm 2 watt carbon resistors in the parasitic choke, should I change them for something else?? When they go they were blackened and fractured. I am open to any suggestions. It happened when I was talking on 40 meters for about 45 seconds, operating at about 750 watts out.? Did not hear an arc.? Will be examining it more better this time. Will have to get some more 47 ohm resistors.? I am beyond my capabilities this time.? Any help or suggestions are welcome.
73? Bob |
Re: FS: TR7 Station
You will get more interest if you list installed options. IF filters, noise blanker, AUX7, fans?
73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:43:12 -0500 "Robin K4IDC via groups.io" <RobinK4IDC@...> wrote: One owner TR7 station available in Nashville, TN. $1500 for all of it, will |
Re: TR7A wattmeter
Bob makes a good point. Indeed this was my first thought. However in my experience the 40m oscillation is a sustained event. The fact that the meter spike disappears when the VOX delay is set longer suggests to me that something else is going on. Key question: does it do it into a dummy load as well? The 40m oscillation *usually* only appears with a reactive load. I say usually because I had one that was so bad I was able to make it oscillate into a dummy, and also on 17m.
If you haven't yet, you need to buy a TinySA or TinySA Ultra. I have one of each. Fine toys, er, tools. Be sure to check the Wiki and buy from an approved seller. Bad clones abound. R&L in the USA is a good bet. DON'T buy from Amazon! 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:35:45 +0000 (UTC) "Bob Loving via groups.io" <bob.loving@...> wrote: Steve, is this action noted on all bands? Or only one, namely 40M? -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
FS: TR7 Station
One owner TR7 station?available in Nashville, TN. $1500 for all of it, will ship with insurance at buyer's expense, not interested in trades, serious offers seriously considered. All the items work properly; only possible exception would possibly be the phone patch as it hasn't been utilized in quite a number of years. Please contact me directly with?any questions; I'm good on QRZ. TR7 transceiver?(model 1337), just back from service by Ron Baker WB4HFN; details attached MS7 speaker RV7 remote VFO PS7 power supply P75 phone patch Also included are the original boxes for the TR7 & the PS7, a small parts cabinet with extender cards & other Drake bits & pieces.? Photos here:? Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC |
Re: TR7A wattmeter
Steve, is this action noted on all bands? Or only one, namely 40M? The oscillation on 40M occurs up in the 9- to 10-MHz range so the TX LPF may attenuate the signal sufficiently to not indicate on a Wattmeter. Use a spectrum analyzer to "sniff" with a loop in the LPF section while this is happening.? SAs aren't as expensive as in the old days. Even the "Tinysa Spectrum Analyzer" is available for $60-$70 on Amazon and will do your cooking proud. 73, Bob K9JU Maryville, TN
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:30:53 PM EDT, Jim Shorney <jimnu0c@...> wrote:
Find out where the meter spike voltage is coming from. If it is from the wattmeter sensor you may have a parasitic oscillation. If it is coming from the 2nd IF/Audio board there may be a timing issue. Which version board do you have? If it is a real TR7A you should have version 2, which has all the fixes. But with board swapping and "A" version fakery you never know for sure unless you look. The version 1 IF/Audio board had some problems that were fixed by factory mods. Very old boards in the field may not have all of the mods. Check the values of R1186 and R1187. The schematics say 10K but I have seen values as low as 1.5K in the real world. Lower values will reduce the T/R turnaround time. You might also check C1151. How does your CW look? The CW generator is a crystal circuit on the IF/Audio board. It is a bit finicky to get right as Floyd K8AC found out. See his article about TR7 key clicks on HFN. The VOX and T/R control magic happen on the TX Exciter board. You may want to check for marginal electrolytics there. Also check the +10T and +10R for proper switching. It should be a reasonably fast transition between +10 and zero. 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:40:58 +0000 "Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io" <w1es@...> wrote: > Whilst we are in discussions over wattmeter readings and so on, I¡¯ve had a chronic anomaly with my TR7A and its wattmeter in CW mode. > > When I transmit on CW, upon release of the key, the meter swings to the right peg. Then we have normal readings. During the time that the meter indicates maximum, there is no RF at the antenna connection (verified with external wattmeter and with a scope). > > This happens only in CW, with the VOX delay set to minimum or near minimum. If I bring the delay out to around 1 second, everything looks normal. It occurs on all bands. There¡¯s no indication in SSB or AM. > > Could I be looking at a sticky relay? I don¡¯t have a spare to swap, at the moment. > > 73, > > Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 > > Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. |
Re: TR7A wattmeter
Find out where the meter spike voltage is coming from. If it is from the wattmeter sensor you may have a parasitic oscillation. If it is coming from the 2nd IF/Audio board there may be a timing issue. Which version board do you have? If it is a real TR7A you should have version 2, which has all the fixes. But with board swapping and "A" version fakery you never know for sure unless you look. The version 1 IF/Audio board had some problems that were fixed by factory mods. Very old boards in the field may not have all of the mods. Check the values of R1186 and R1187. The schematics say 10K but I have seen values as low as 1.5K in the real world. Lower values will reduce the T/R turnaround time. You might also check C1151.
How does your CW look? The CW generator is a crystal circuit on the IF/Audio board. It is a bit finicky to get right as Floyd K8AC found out. See his article about TR7 key clicks on HFN. The VOX and T/R control magic happen on the TX Exciter board. You may want to check for marginal electrolytics there. Also check the +10T and +10R for proper switching. It should be a reasonably fast transition between +10 and zero. 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:40:58 +0000 "Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io" <w1es@...> wrote: Whilst we are in discussions over wattmeter readings and so on, I¡¯ve had a chronic anomaly with my TR7A and its wattmeter in CW mode. |
TR7A wattmeter
Whilst we are in discussions over wattmeter readings and so on, I¡¯ve had a chronic anomaly with my TR7A and its wattmeter in CW mode.? When I transmit on CW, upon release of the key, the meter swings to the right peg. Then we have normal readings. During the time that the meter indicates maximum, there is no RF at the antenna connection (verified with external wattmeter and with a scope).? This happens only in CW, with the VOX delay set to minimum or near minimum. If I bring the delay out to around 1 second, everything looks normal. It occurs on all bands. There¡¯s no indication in SSB or AM.? Could I be looking at a sticky relay? I don¡¯t have a spare to swap, at the moment.? 73, Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Sent from for iOS |
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Re: TR7 - 40 meter oscillation
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A view of the ALC board in my TR7 #1. The two small beads are original. The large one I added later just because I had one. This appears to be the forward wattmeter feed which would make sense. Another view of a spare HPF/LPF module. Somewhat longer wires but not nearly as long as in #1 before I shortened them. -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: L-4PS Plate transformer primary color coding
Rick W4XA
Hi Stan, thanks for the photo!? Can't really see the colors of the wires in your? picture but K6PO did verify what I suspected.
The first picture I posted had the BRN & BRN/BLK reversed. Now if I could just find where I got that picture so I could correct it for whomever originally posted it!! -- 73/RickW4XA*Every post is created using Linux |
Re: So Why Do Those TR-4C Can Caps Fail?
I got kind of busy last week. ?In replacing R3 in the AC-4, I decided to isolate C3 and C4 from the circuit and use a DC PS to condition both of these electrolytic capacitors, starting with a resistance measurement with the VTVM (1.5 VDC); individually, within 30 minutes they were up to 50 Mohm. ?Then overnight, they were up to 150 Mohm and climbing. ?I noticed C4b would drop a little to 75 Mohm then increase back to 150 Mohm; I interpret this as a clump of non-ionized electrolyte being uncovered and taking ?time to ionize the solution with a consistent open dielectric gap; nice that all of that is automatic, just applying a potential difference with the correct polarity. ?C4b had not been conditioned otherwise, all others had been. ?This AC-4 appeared to be completely factory with their practice of laying a component lead or wire against a terminal, then applying A LOT of solder; no good mechanical joint was created before soldering. ?Solder must have been really cheap then. ?The good part was it was really easy to unsolder all the connections. ?C4 was found to be a shiny aluminum can with C4b a 100 uF in lieu of 80 uF. ?The rest of the electrolytics were covered with canary yellow cardboard: all Mallory. ?C5 a and b were found to be 40 uF in lieu of 20 uF. I¡¯m cleaning up and repairing a DC-4. ?The input voltage must be 12.6 VDC, as 13.8 VDC has shown to produce much higher than desired output voltages, with little to no sagging of 12.6 VDC filament voltage. ?Perhaps an AC-DC switching power supply, and the DC-DC power supply (DC-4) is a better solution in order to regulate the input voltages to these radios. ?Using late technology, modest priced good quality and noise-free switchers that adjust to 12.6 volts DC are available. ?I¡¯m going to investigate this scheme. ?There are many attributes to using this power supply scheme. |
Re: L-4PS Plate transformer primary color coding
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 03:50 PM, Paul K6PO wrote: |
Re: L-4PS Plate transformer primary color coding
Rick W4XA
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 03:50 PM, Paul K6PO wrote:
Here's what I have in my files:? Hi Paul, Thanks for the quick reply!! Yours has the BRN and BRN/BLK the reverse of mine(which is wrong!) I was to the point where I was going to open up my working L-4PS to see how it was wired!!? Not sure where I found what I have in my picture.? Although I thought I got it from BAMA, when I looked at what they have,? none of the schematics there have any wiring color-codes shown on them. Must've found it somewhere else! I discovered it when I started wiring up my rebuilt Hallicrafters Loudenboomer? (single 3-400/500) Power supply. After I acquired an L-4PS plate transformer, I decided to dump the old Radio Industries INC full-wave (CT),? Mercury Rectifier, swinging-choke? stuff for the Drake style voltage doubler. I'm going to run it on 120AC and will never use the low-voltage connections that Drake used for CW/TUNE In fact, I'll probably also just hard wire my L-4B to stay in the SSB position since it's really no longer needed. thanks again! -- 73/RickW4XA*Every post is created using Linux |