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Re: Antenna selector switch R7

 

Gary;

A long time ago, in a world far far away, John Kriner, aka "TR7-dude" on the Bay, had some of these switches.? I bought one for my R-4245 clone, which has been installed but never wired up.? You might check with him to see if he still has any left.

Why would somebody ever remove this switch????? OK - it is of little use in most amateur applications....but again, why remove it?

73
Peter
VE7PS

On 2021-04-23 7:03 p.m., Gary Follett wrote:
Some chucklehead removed the antenna selector switch from this R7 I just acquired. Is there any chance anybody might have one?

It’s a beast of a switch with 5 sections, only two of which would be considered “standard” configuration.


Gary

W0DVN



Antenna selector switch R7

 

Some chucklehead removed the antenna selector switch from this R7 I just acquired. Is there any chance anybody might have one?

It’s a beast of a switch with 5 sections, only two of which would be considered “standard” configuration.


Gary

W0DVN


Re: TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

 

Thank you, someone did send me the instructions.

Gary

W0DVN

On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Jerry Kessler <N4JL.cw@...> wrote:

Gary,

I believe you are describing the MMK-7 Kit to make the TR-7 more portable for mobile operation. I may have the instructions somewhere. I'll look if you are have further interest.

Jerry, N4JL


At 06:27 PM 4/23/2021, you wrote:
I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!






Re: TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

Keith Erickson
 

Hi Gary,

The mobile mounting kit, had a replacement case with a handle. The power cable leads had at the end a enclosure similar to what you describe which indeed could prossibly mointed were the FA7 was intended.

I have one.

Keith
K0gnw

On Apr 23, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Gary Follett <xntrick1948@...> wrote:

?I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!




Re: TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

 

Gary,

I believe you are describing the MMK-7 Kit to make the TR-7 more portable for mobile operation. I may have the instructions somewhere. I'll look if you are have further interest.

Jerry, N4JL

At 06:27 PM 4/23/2021, you wrote:
I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!


Re: TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

 

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

Gary

W0DVN

On Apr 23, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Joe Pyles <epyles@...> wrote:

The case with the handle and the power filter were part of the MMK7 mobile mounting kit.

73, Joe Pyles KC9LAD

At 06:27 PM 4/23/2021, you wrote:
I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!


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Re: TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

 

The case with the handle and the power filter were part of the MMK7 mobile mounting kit.

73, Joe Pyles KC9LAD

At 06:27 PM 4/23/2021, you wrote:
I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!

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TR7 with handle on side, power fuse on back

 

I have a TR7 with a handle on its side and a module on the back holding a power fuse for the 13.8 volts.

This is factory original but I have never seen this version before. The side handle is the same as that seen on the pS7. The rear fuse module is installed where the FA7 would go.

Anyone heard of this version?

Gary

W0DVN

PS: The radio works fine!


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

What a great article!? I've owned several R-4C's -- two of which had strong third mixer problems and it has been obvious to me that the engineers had been chasing a noise problem in that 6EJ7 circuit.

One comment, though: he mentions an "early" R-4C but the truly early ones had one less filter position and used a 6BE6 -- much closer to the original designs of the earlier 4-Line.? The first thing I had noticed when I bought a late R-4C was all of that noise from the third mixer of the later one!? The early design didn't have that issue (that I noticed).

It would be interesting to see if the earlier, 6BE6 version's specs are, using the same test equipment.

Steve Wedge, W1ES/4

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On Friday, April 23, 2021 10:55 AM, Martin Sole <hs0zed@...> wrote:

Look at


This may not address your problem, but in any case I am sure you might find it interesting as might others.

Regards

Martin, HS0ZED



On 4/23/21 16:52, Lionel B wrote:
Hi Steve,

It's S/N 22970 and the schematic show a number of the Drake revisions.? Yes, this is a 6EJ7 3rd mixer.?


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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Lionel:

It IS possible that those early 6EJ7 models are prone to this issue.? I just ran out and checked my 22,3xx R-4C and I do see about 2 to 2-1/2 S-units rise on the meter at mid-scale on the passband, relative to the 9 and 3 o'clock positions on that radio.? I do not see ANY change on either the mid-25K or mid-28 K receivers.? I no longer have an early 6HS6 radio, which I miss terribly!? I liked it better than any of them!

I have no plans to pull this radio and start dickering with the lead dress - just too many other priorities, and it's a bit of a bear to pull apart as it is part of a TR-44C Comm station.? I do need to work on the late R-4C, as it seems to be suffering from really bad 3rd mixer issues, among others.

73
Peter
VE7PS

On 2021-04-23 8:43 a.m., Lionel B wrote:

Peter, the AR forum thread is interesting, and I wonder if I am correct in assuming all 21xxx - 23xxx have the same issue.?

It seems to be very sensitive to any wiring being moved, like the design is right on the edge where proper design would suggest not using wire placement as a "tuneup" aid.?

I like the IF filter leakage article as the blow by around the CW filters has always been annoying, enough so that I talked to Bill Frost long ago (78?) about this issue.? He told me that this was how the design worked and there was no update or mod suggested.?

An abundance of food Peter.? tnx.


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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Paul:

I don't disagree with you.? Drama is the polite way of putting it.? Rob is not the only one who will turn away a radio.? Ron, WB4HFN, will not work on a modified radio, even if those mods are Sherwood boards.? I don't blame them.? A mis-wired modification can chew up a lot of bench time....hence charges.....in a big hurry, and sometimes with no positive results.

His rant did point out that leakage article, which I found quite interesting.

73
Peter
VE7PS

On 2021-04-23 8:51 a.m., Paul Christensen wrote:

>Check out this link first:
>


I would have given more credence to the post if he had not brought in all the drama.? For example, it’s Sherwood’s prerogative to accept or reject a request for repair.? Of what value was it to the posted discussion??

From my perspective, the only added value was this line:

>”Finally when getting to know your R4-C, get the right manual for your tube-lineup…”

Paul, W9AC



Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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>Check out this link first:
>


I would have given more credence to the post if he had not brought in all the drama.? For example, it’s Sherwood’s prerogative to accept or reject a request for repair.? Of what value was it to the posted discussion??

From my perspective, the only added value was this line:

>”Finally when getting to know your R4-C, get the right manual for your tube-lineup…”

Paul, W9AC


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

Peter, the AR forum thread is interesting, and I wonder if I am correct in assuming all 21xxx - 23xxx have the same issue.?

It seems to be very sensitive to any wiring being moved, like the design is right on the edge where proper design would suggest not using wire placement as a "tuneup" aid.?

I like the IF filter leakage article as the blow by around the CW filters has always been annoying, enough so that I talked to Bill Frost long ago (78?) about this issue.? He told me that this was how the design worked and there was no update or mod suggested.?

An abundance of food Peter.? tnx.


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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A very interesting article, but it doesn't address the problem I think Lionel is talking about. The 50 kHz BFO leakage manifests itself as a strong zero-beat signal that peaks as you tune the passband tuning control through the center of its range. My late model R-4C, S/N 28792, certainly shows that problem. I've rewired the 3rd Mixer 6EJ7 to use series feed for the BFO signal as suggested by W5DA many years ago. That mod did seem to help some of the problems with the stage, but also seemed to have the effect of aggravating the BFO leakage. I also installed one of the old Solid Tubes at the third mixer and that seems to have a little more gain, which further exacerbates the problem. I've worked on this on and off for many years, and haven't really found a good solution. I've done a lot of fooling around (scientific term) with the lead dress in the area of the BFO and the 3rd Mixer to mitigate the effect, but it's certainly still there. The good news is that it's only really a problem if you're trying to listen to CW signals with a very low beat note. The crystal filters have sharp enough skirts that tuning the PBT away from zero beat even a little will drop the BFO leakage signal into the noise.

On 4/23/2021 10:55 AM, Martin Sole wrote:

Look at

This may not address your problem, but in any case I am sure you might find it interesting as might others.

Regards

Martin, HS0ZED



On 4/23/21 16:52, Lionel B wrote:
Hi Steve,

It's S/N 22970 and the schematic show a number of the Drake revisions.? Yes, this is a 6EJ7 3rd mixer.


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

Martin, this is interesting and I've looked at the work when considering 5695 filter ultimate stopband.? I have also read. yesterday, one ham's report indicating the BFO leakage was actually the much maligned 3rd mixer's products at 5695 (5645 +/- BFO) getting back into the 2nd mixer or via the crystal filter switch wiring. This I have not seen documented except in this one report and if it is the case then it would seem to be much more difficult to fix without SM7EQL's work.

I'm wondering if in the past I just accepted the rise in S-meter at passband control center.? It's been a looong time.


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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Ha ha:

Martin beat me to it as I was writing!

73
Peter
VE7PS

On 2021-04-23 8:23 a.m., VE7PS via groups.io wrote:

Lionel:

Thanks for the info.....this one got me snooping around a bit.

Check out this link first:


I cannot reproduce what you see (rise in S-meter reading with passband tuning at 12 o'clock in SSB modes) on my 25,xxx and 28,xxx R-4C's.? I have one more earlier one yet to try.? It IS reported in that thread in another R-4C in the 23,xxx range, which is closer to yours.

The really interesting part comes later in the lengthy "Sherwood bashing" dissertation by "Noddy", but he refers to an article I had not seen before here:



This article goes into what appears to me as a potential solution to the leakage problem, which you could do in small steps, with measurable results along the way, taking it only as far as one needs to in order to achieve satisfactory performance.? It does get pretty complicated and invasive by the end.? After reading this, I have to wonder if Drake moved some components around to reduce leakage in later production, possibly explaining why I do not see it in my two relatively high serial # radios.

Hope that gives you some food for thought.

73,
Peter
VE7PS





On 2021-04-22 12:56 p.m., Lionel B wrote:
I've seen an article about this topic and unfortunately cannot find the document. The receiver has been "on the shelf" in an air conditioned shack for about 20 years and now I've been going through and aligning per the manual.? When rotating the passband tuning from LSB to USB there is a peak at center that moves the S meter up to about S4 while on either end it falls to S0.? I've had this rx since 1976 and have aligned many times, but this seems new.

The BFO seems to be getting into the 50Khz IF.? Its a mystery.?

I seem to recall reading an alignment doc that has you test for minimum BFO feedthru as shown by the S meter, and a way to correct the problem.?

Am I making any sense at all?

Has anyone encountered this on an R4C??



Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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Lionel:

Thanks for the info.....this one got me snooping around a bit.

Check out this link first:


I cannot reproduce what you see (rise in S-meter reading with passband tuning at 12 o'clock in SSB modes) on my 25,xxx and 28,xxx R-4C's.? I have one more earlier one yet to try.? It IS reported in that thread in another R-4C in the 23,xxx range, which is closer to yours.

The really interesting part comes later in the lengthy "Sherwood bashing" dissertation by "Noddy", but he refers to an article I had not seen before here:



This article goes into what appears to me as a potential solution to the leakage problem, which you could do in small steps, with measurable results along the way, taking it only as far as one needs to in order to achieve satisfactory performance.? It does get pretty complicated and invasive by the end.? After reading this, I have to wonder if Drake moved some components around to reduce leakage in later production, possibly explaining why I do not see it in my two relatively high serial # radios.

Hope that gives you some food for thought.

73,
Peter
VE7PS





On 2021-04-22 12:56 p.m., Lionel B wrote:

I've seen an article about this topic and unfortunately cannot find the document. The receiver has been "on the shelf" in an air conditioned shack for about 20 years and now I've been going through and aligning per the manual.? When rotating the passband tuning from LSB to USB there is a peak at center that moves the S meter up to about S4 while on either end it falls to S0.? I've had this rx since 1976 and have aligned many times, but this seems new.

The BFO seems to be getting into the 50Khz IF.? Its a mystery.?

I seem to recall reading an alignment doc that has you test for minimum BFO feedthru as shown by the S meter, and a way to correct the problem.?

Am I making any sense at all?

Has anyone encountered this on an R4C??


Re: R4C BFO leakage into 50Khz IF

 

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Look at

This may not address your problem, but in any case I am sure you might find it interesting as might others.

Regards

Martin, HS0ZED



On 4/23/21 16:52, Lionel B wrote:

Hi Steve,

It's S/N 22970 and the schematic show a number of the Drake revisions.? Yes, this is a 6EJ7 3rd mixer.?


Re: OT: SOLA CV Transformer

 

The old capacitor checks about as close to the stamped value as one could expect. It's stamped as ".5uF" and my inexpensive component checker showed it to be 500nF and some change. Very close. ESR wasn't horrible but I suspect a lot of that changes as it heats up as well as being under load voltage.

Since 0.5uF isn't all that common anymore, I'm considering a 0.47uF. The original cap is rated at 660V and, when I checked it last night, that wasn't exactly uncalled for. I'm pretty sure the waveform across that capacitor isn't at all very pure and that probably affected my Fluke DMM's reading, but I was seeing a bit over 700V there.

Also, unloaded, the output ran at 7VAC. Loaded, about 6.4VAC which I'm attributing to the old capacitor. I'm hoping a new capacitor will at least cure the regulation.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

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From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 9:18:43 AM
Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] OT: SOLA CV Transformer

?? Sola transformers also have capacitors. If the value of the
capacitor changes it will change the regulation and may make it
run hot. I have had a couple of CVTs, not Solas but other makes,
go bad in Boonton instruments, they use CVTs to directly drive
the rectifiers. I have never been able to find a fix other than
just replacing them. The normally run quite hot but should not
melt the potting compound. I also have a couple of Sola free
standing transformers where the output voltage is wrong and where
I could not correct it with new capacitors. I don't know what
happens to them but suspect it may be a change in the air gap in
the core.

On 4/23/2021 6:26 AM, n4buq wrote:
Looking for some help with an older SOLA CVT. Please reply off-list if
appropriate but others may be interested.

I'm working on an ancient VTVM, a model 800A made by Technology Instruments
Incorporated (later became Acton). There are some pictures of one like
mine here:



The SOLA started overheating after several minutes of powering the meter
and would eventually drop the output voltage dramatically (spec'd at 6VAC
output and dropped to around 2VAC as I remember).

The transformer is(was) housed in a tar-filled metal box and, instead of
digging around very much in that tar at unknown entrails, I decided to
freeze the entire assembly and then some rather caveman-like activities to
force the transformer out of the box. That process caused a few of the
transformer's laminations to "fan" out a bit and, given the odd
frequencies that are generated in this CVT, it buzzes somewhat more than
it did.

I've powered it back up outside of the box and, while it takes a bit longer
to fail, it does eventually drop the output voltage when the capacitor
overheats (I'm planning to replace that cap).

Would it be a bad thing to drill some small holes through the laminations
and secure them with small nuts and bolts (4-40 or smaller)? I can clamp
the laminations and silence it significantly but not sure if small holes
with additional metal through the laminations would affect the operation
of the transformer.

From what I can tell, two rivets extend through the laminations at both
ends of the transformer and lock them to the core. I'm not sure, but I
think it's possible to remove those rivets, remove the laminations,
flatten the laminations that need it, and then reassemble it with small
nuts and bolts. That might be a better alternative but, again, not sure
what effects that might have.
Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ




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Re: OT: SOLA CV Transformer

 

Sola transformers also have capacitors. If the value of the capacitor changes it will change the regulation and may make it run hot. I have had a couple of CVTs, not Solas but other makes, go bad in Boonton instruments, they use CVTs to directly drive the rectifiers. I have never been able to find a fix other than just replacing them. The normally run quite hot but should not melt the potting compound. I also have a couple of Sola free standing transformers where the output voltage is wrong and where I could not correct it with new capacitors. I don't know what happens to them but suspect it may be a change in the air gap in the core.

On 4/23/2021 6:26 AM, n4buq wrote:
Looking for some help with an older SOLA CVT. Please reply off-list if appropriate but others may be interested.

I'm working on an ancient VTVM, a model 800A made by Technology Instruments Incorporated (later became Acton). There are some pictures of one like mine here:



The SOLA started overheating after several minutes of powering the meter and would eventually drop the output voltage dramatically (spec'd at 6VAC output and dropped to around 2VAC as I remember).

The transformer is(was) housed in a tar-filled metal box and, instead of digging around very much in that tar at unknown entrails, I decided to freeze the entire assembly and then some rather caveman-like activities to force the transformer out of the box. That process caused a few of the transformer's laminations to "fan" out a bit and, given the odd frequencies that are generated in this CVT, it buzzes somewhat more than it did.

I've powered it back up outside of the box and, while it takes a bit longer to fail, it does eventually drop the output voltage when the capacitor overheats (I'm planning to replace that cap).

Would it be a bad thing to drill some small holes through the laminations and secure them with small nuts and bolts (4-40 or smaller)? I can clamp the laminations and silence it significantly but not sure if small holes with additional metal through the laminations would affect the operation of the transformer.

From what I can tell, two rivets extend through the laminations at both ends of the transformer and lock them to the core. I'm not sure, but I think it's possible to remove those rivets, remove the laminations, flatten the laminations that need it, and then reassemble it with small nuts and bolts. That might be a better alternative but, again, not sure what effects that might have.
Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ



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