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Re: T4XB/R4B Transceive problem

 

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Thanks Steve.?
? ? ? I did try fudging the transmitter and got them to sync but it went too far. Had great base on LSB but on USB I was accused of having shorts that were too tight. ;-). I think need to check the receive crystal frequency and oscillator components. I noticed the crystal has a green dab of paint on it possibly meaning it was graded for certain circuit anomalies during final assembly.?

Tony
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On Dec 20, 2024, at 6:41?AM, Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io <w1es@...> wrote:

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Tony, there is a chance that either the CO crystal in either the TX or RX has drifted or that one of the passband filters in the tx has drifted. I have a set of B Twins that suffered the same problem and I adjusted the CO in the tx just a little bit to allow everything to meet up. Only a very small change of the tx CO is needed.?

C61 only changes the frequency by about 450 Hz. I used the spectrum display in my modern rig (an Elecraft P3 at the time) to watch where the oscillator was via a piece of wire placed near the CO of each unit. A spectrum analyser can do the same thing.?

73,

Steve Wedge, W1ES

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.


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On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 19:11, Tony Sokol via groups.io <tony.sokol@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,
I have a problem using C61 to net the R4B to the T4XB. The T4XB is perfectly centered in the filter passband according to the alignment instructions in the manual but it doesn¡¯t quite make it. Before I pull the receiver off the shelf and check the IF Xtal frequency I thought I'd run it by the group for ideas. I did try paddling C61 but it didn¡¯t seem to move much. Maybe not enough C paddling? Thoughts before I give K4AX Crystals a call?

Tony - W9JXN






Re: DR7 help

 

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Jim

do you have +5 volts on the VCC pins of the ICs? Sure sounds like you¡¯re not getting power to the board.VCC, as you might well know, lives on pins 14 and or 16 of MOST ICs.

Service manual will be your friend.

withe the NORM/EXT set in EXT, the display should be on, and showing 00000?

mike wb8vge
The Heathkit Shop

On Dec 20, 2024, at 1:54 PM, Jim Harris via <radiove1rb@...> wrote:

I don't post much but I do read all the messages but now I need help. The DR7 board in my Drake TR7 has no digital display at all, no periods or digits, just black. I have checked the 5 volt regulators and they are fine. I have cleaned the pins and sockets where?it plugs in and also the top board ones the connectors plug into. I have visually checked the board for bad solder joints but have not seen any. I have checked the STORE switch and cleaned that and also the NORM/EXT switch on the back. All oscillators are working as I have checked them all and done an alignment of them. I have a jumper board installed but have not tried to see if it is receiving but I don't think the calibrator is working or I can't hear it. I wonder if anyone else has had this trouble with a DR7 board? Any hints and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Jim VE1RB


Re: R4C need PCB foil diagram

 

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This is one of the reasons why I don¡¯t care to work on the R4C. I know space was a premium, but damn, getting to the bottom of most of those boards even to make voltage checks is a PITA!

mike wb8vge
The Heathkit Shop


On Dec 20, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Evan via <k9sqg@...> wrote:

Jay,

You might want to id which of the three production runs/models you have in case this board is one of the "variables".

73,

Evan, K9SQG

On Friday, December 20, 2024 at 02:48:04 PM EST, Jay W6CJ via <lastradioman@...> wrote:


Looking for a PC board foil diagram that shows the connections to, and around the R55 bias pot.??

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ


Re: R4C need PCB foil diagram

 

Evan & Group,

Here are some photos of the R4C s/n and PCB.
Had an issue with a flaky S-meter adjustment and saw missing foil traces near R-55 (blue 2-legged pot).
My clumsy hands knocked off whatever jumper(s) a tech had installed near R-55 to replace the missing traces.? ?
I'm trying to get it back together, and finish the S-meter alignment.

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 12:28?PM Evan via <k9sqg=aol.com_at_groups.io_lastradioman@...> wrote:
Jay,

You might want to id which of the three production runs/models you have in case this board is one of the "variables".

73,

Evan, K9SQG

On Friday, December 20, 2024 at 02:48:04 PM EST, Jay W6CJ via <lastradioman=[email protected]> wrote:


Looking for a PC board foil diagram that shows the connections to, and around the R55 bias pot.??

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ


Re: R4C need PCB foil diagram

 

Jay,

You might want to id which of the three production runs/models you have in case this board is one of the "variables".

73,

Evan, K9SQG

On Friday, December 20, 2024 at 02:48:04 PM EST, Jay W6CJ via groups.io <lastradioman@...> wrote:


Looking for a PC board foil diagram that shows the connections to, and around the R55 bias pot.??

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ


Re: R4C rough tuning

 

Group,
Thanks for the suggestions.
Did a little cleanup on the PTO shaft and gears? (I thought the technician resolved this) and tuning is more smooth.
73
Jay
W6CJ


On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 7:54?AM VE7PS via <ve7ps=telus.net_at_groups.io_lastradioman@...> wrote:
Jay:

What is the serial number of your R-4C?? There are some very special "gotcha's" to pay attention to on the late "metal-geared" PTO (and as Steve said it still has two plastic gears in it) should you be pulling it apart for cleaning.

May be slow to answer today...away from the computer/internet for much of the day.
73
Peter
VE7PS

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 4:12?AM Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io <w1es=[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with everything Peter has listed except that I use mineral spirits for the ball bearings and their race.?

I will add that you won¡¯t get the PTO to be as light and smooth as the earlier designs but you can come close ¡ª especially with the ¡°metal gears¡± version (there are still one or two nylon gears in a ¡°metal gears¡± PTO).?

Be very careful to put any nylon washers back where they originally were. The locations and thicknesses of these washers can vary ¡ª they were used to fine-tune the geartrain.?

73,

Steve Wedge, W1ES

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.


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On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 23:10, VE7PS via groups.io <ve7ps@...> wrote:
Jay;

There are many reasons that can contribute to "grabbing" or "sticky" tuning on the C-line dials.? Often there can be more than one reason.? Full teardown is always my choice but I understand that can be?a daunting task to face for the 1st time.??

Before doing that I would recommend?reading and studying two articles. Both are on WB4HFN's website.

The first is by Neil, K1VY;


The 2nd is by me, and can be found here;


It starts on Page 15.

If pulling the PTO seems a bit much, you could try cleaning out the front bearing with long Q-tips and rubbing alcohol.? You will need at least a half?dozen swabs to get it clean.? Once clean, re-lube with a light grease.? I prefer copper infused moly grease these days, but have used white lithium in the past.? Both work well for me.? Unfortunately?one often finds burrs on the 1/4" steel PTO shaft, or on the brass busing it slides into, as well as old stiff grease on the PTO gears. Full disassembly is required to address these issues.

I cannot stress enough to take a picture at EVERY step of the removal process.? You won't regret it afterwards.? There are four different mechanical styles I have documented produced during the C-line run....and despite having disassembled at least 30 of those now, I can still get easily confused when trying to get them back together again. Pictures?REALLY help!

Good luck!

73
Peter
VE7PS










On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:11?PM Evan via groups.io <k9sqg= [email protected]> wrote:
My guess is that the vernier drive has a lubricant that has hardened over the years. ? Same could be true of the PTO screw.? Let's hear what the experts say...


On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 10:07:53 PM EST, Jay W6CJ via groups.io <lastradioman= [email protected]> wrote:


Group,
In an R4C the PTO is electronically stable but that 'silky smooth' tuning is not happening.? It takes extra force to tune the PTO (as compared to my T4XC) and feels like something grabbing or resisting.

Without pulling all of the gears apart, where should I start looking for what's grabbing?

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ


Re: Discount shipping services?

 

This is good to know...thanks Bill.


Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC


On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 10:29?AM bill KE7KK via <Wkipping=[email protected]> wrote:



Victor Yes mark as shipped add the tracking # from PirateShip label that's it . Ebay sends your final value (less 13.5% ugh) and the shipping cost collected from the buyer,
?probably less the PirateShip? ??

Bill KE7KK


R4C need PCB foil diagram

 

Looking for a PC board foil diagram that shows the connections to, and around the R55 bias pot.??

Thanks & 73
Jay
W6CJ


DR7 help

 

I don't post much but I do read all the messages but now I need help. The DR7 board in my Drake TR7 has no digital display at all, no periods or digits, just black. I have checked the 5 volt regulators and they are fine. I have cleaned the pins and sockets where?it plugs in and also the top board ones the connectors plug into. I have visually checked the board for bad solder joints but have not seen any. I have checked the STORE switch and cleaned that and also the NORM/EXT switch on the back. All oscillators are working as I have checked them all and done an alignment of them. I have a jumper board installed but have not tried to see if it is receiving but I don't think the calibrator is working or I can't hear it. I wonder if anyone else has had this trouble with a DR7 board? Any hints and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Jim VE1RB


FOR SALE: DIGITAL FREQ READOUT FOR DRAKE EQUIPMENT

 

This digital readout unit is designed to work with Drake Transmitters and Receivers. It requires an external 12VDC supply and connects to the Injection circuit on either the transmitter or receiver using the supplied Y-Cable w/ RCA phone plugs. It tested all OK on my R4B. Package includes instruction sheets, Y-Cable, and injection cable. Price: $85 plus shipping; Paypal accepted. Contact Alan K9MBQ in Charlottesville, VA. alan.swinger@...


Re: Discount shipping services?

 

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Victor Yes mark as shipped add the tracking # from PirateShip label that's it . Ebay sends your final value (less 13.5% ugh) and the shipping cost collected from the buyer,
?probably less the PirateShip? ??

Bill KE7KK


Re: Discount shipping services?

 

Joseph - I am interested in trying this, but how do you ¡°ship¡± the sold item as far as eBay is concerned? Do you just select ¡°mark as shipped¡±? (I am concerned that ebay records that the item has been shipped)


Re: FOR SALE: R4B, T4XB, AC4 STATION

 

This package SOLD this morning. - Alan K9MBQ


Re: T4XB/R4B Transceive problem

 

Tony, there is a chance that either the CO crystal in either the TX or RX has drifted or that one of the passband filters in the tx has drifted. I have a set of B Twins that suffered the same problem and I adjusted the CO in the tx just a little bit to allow everything to meet up. Only a very small change of the tx CO is needed.?

C61 only changes the frequency by about 450 Hz. I used the spectrum display in my modern rig (an Elecraft P3 at the time) to watch where the oscillator was via a piece of wire placed near the CO of each unit. A spectrum analyser can do the same thing.?

73,

Steve Wedge, W1ES

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.


Sent from for iOS


On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 19:11, Tony Sokol via groups.io <tony.sokol@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,
I have a problem using C61 to net the R4B to the T4XB. The T4XB is perfectly centered in the filter passband according to the alignment instructions in the manual but it doesn¡¯t quite make it. Before I pull the receiver off the shelf and check the IF Xtal frequency I thought I'd run it by the group for ideas. I did try paddling C61 but it didn¡¯t seem to move much. Maybe not enough C paddling? Thoughts before I give K4AX Crystals a call?

Tony - W9JXN






Re: CS7

 

They get brittle with age and heat. You can break an aged one by just pulling the lamp out.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:36:41 -0500
"John K5MO via groups.io" <johnk5mo@...> wrote:

That lamp housing damage is puzzling....!


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73

-Jim
NU0C


Mic Audio in speaker on receive mode

 

Drakers,
?
? ?I am sure that this has been discussed before, however please bear with me.
?
? ? I? have recently noticed that I can hear the audio from my microphone in the speaker when in receive mode.? ?The was apparent when the radio was connected to a? dummy load for some testing.? ? The radio in question is the TR4CWRIT.? ? The microphones were several from a D-104, to a Electro-Voice 723, to a Drake desk mic.??
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? ? ?The radio works well on transmit.? I am working stations and getting good reports.? ?I haven't heard (or noticed) the mic audio in the receiver when connected to an actual antenna, although I suspect that the background noise probably covers it up.??
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? ? ?Any ideas ?
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73 es thanks in advance,?
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? ? ? Gene K1NR
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Re: WANTED: Radio Repair Technician

 

Would be nice to see mentors instead of Elmers too?EmojiEmoji

On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 08:18:02 PM EST, Jay W6CJ via groups.io <lastradioman@...> wrote:


Off-topic?
It would be GREAT to see a vintage radio restorer/repair shop in SOCAL!
73 de W6CJ

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:01?PM Lyman via <forum4ll=verizon.net_at_groups.io_lastradioman@...> wrote:

Hello all,
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I am posting this want ad for my Elmer and employer, Kevin, WA6HUL.
?
Thanks,
?
Lyman Lew
KK6LPW
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WANTED: Radio Repair Technician
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Radio repair technician, tube era ham equipment and vintage broadcast receivers. Shop in west Torrance in the Los Angeles south bay area. Full time? or part time, flexible hours. Ideal for semi-retired or student. Some experience needed, licensed ham preferred. wa6hul@..., 310-658-9289
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Re: WANTED: Radio Repair Technician

 

Off-topic?
It would be GREAT to see a vintage radio restorer/repair shop in SOCAL!
73 de W6CJ

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:01?PM Lyman via <forum4ll=verizon.net_at_groups.io_lastradioman@...> wrote:

Hello all,
?
I am posting this want ad for my Elmer and employer, Kevin, WA6HUL.
?
Thanks,
?
Lyman Lew
KK6LPW
?
WANTED: Radio Repair Technician
?
Radio repair technician, tube era ham equipment and vintage broadcast receivers. Shop in west Torrance in the Los Angeles south bay area. Full time? or part time, flexible hours. Ideal for semi-retired or student. Some experience needed, licensed ham preferred. wa6hul@..., 310-658-9289
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T4XB/R4B Transceive problem

 

Hi Gang,
I have a problem using C61 to net the R4B to the T4XB. The T4XB is perfectly centered in the filter passband according to the alignment instructions in the manual but it doesn¡¯t quite make it. Before I pull the receiver off the shelf and check the IF Xtal frequency I thought I'd run it by the group for ideas. I did try paddling C61 but it didn¡¯t seem to move much. Maybe not enough C paddling? Thoughts before I give K4AX Crystals a call?

Tony - W9JXN


WANTED: Radio Repair Technician

 

Hello all,
?
I am posting this want ad for my Elmer and employer, Kevin, WA6HUL.
?
Thanks,
?
Lyman Lew
KK6LPW
?
WANTED: Radio Repair Technician
?
Radio repair technician, tube era ham equipment and vintage broadcast receivers. Shop in west Torrance in the Los Angeles south bay area. Full time? or part time, flexible hours. Ideal for semi-retired or student. Some experience needed, licensed ham preferred. wa6hul@..., 310-658-9289
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