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Re: Another TR7 Journey begins
Bill,
Welcome back to the Drake world! Comments inserted below. On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 14:49:51 -0800 "Bill NZ0T" <nz0tham@...> wrote: I had a TR7 about 15 years ago and loved it but I sold it to help finance my K3 purchase, which I also love and still have.? I acquired a TR7 today from an estate today with the PS7.? It's S/N 2713. The thing was pretty dirty and will need a case repainting but seemed OK otherwise and the price was right.? Here's what I have gleaned so far:Check the 4-pin Jones plug. You may have oxidation on the contacts. Maybe also the regulator board and the connector for the pass transistor driver. I had one that was moused and the connector contacts had corroded to nothing. You have the optional fan on the PS so the main filter caps are probably OK. They are mostly for the the thunk. 2.? The rig came on fine with a different PS and seems to RX and TX fine but power out was around 170 watts and the ALC light was not coming on.? I adjusted the control on the ALC board to about 150 watts on 20M at full drive and the ALC light now works but stays on no matter how low I adjust the drive.? I know there's another adjustment for that on 10M on a diffferent board but I haven't gotten to that yet.? Power doers adjust down to zero now.You may have a PA deck oscillation issue. Go back to it after you have cleaned up the connectors and check again. 3.? The S-meter reads very low but signals sound fine so guess that's another adjustement I need to make.? Forward and reflected hardly move the meter and adjusting the controls by the antenna socket make no difference.If the rig has been sitting idle in a time and is dirty you may have connector oxidation issues, otherwise known as Molexia. Often just pulling and re-seating the boards will resolve strange problems. You may need to clean the connectors with DeOxit or equivalent. 4.? Some good news is that all 4 filter slots are full which is great news for a CW op like me.Fixed Passband adjustments on the power supply board in the front right corner of the radio. They are very easy to bump and will go off if you so much as breathe on them. It is likely the radio will benefit from a full frequency alignment once you get it cleaned up, but your USB/LSB issue is the pots. A popular mod is to upgrade them all to 10 turn trimpots. While you are there, replace C2108 on the power supply board. It is running on borrowed time. 6.? The sidetone volume level is very low, I have to turn the volume control way up to hear it.Again, probably Molexia. The sidetone comes from a sample of the CW oscillator fed into the product detector. It should be loud and the only level control is your volume control. I do have a PDF copy of the service manual.? The big question is will I need the board extenders to fix all this and properly align the rig?? If so wheer can I find some that won't cost me too much?Probably not. I have a set but I can count on one hand and have fingers left over the number of times I have used anything other than the Jumper board. They show up on eBay once in a while and there have been aftermarket clones produced as well. Not cheap. The service manual is your friend. The how stuff works sections are very good. My apologies in advance for the many stupid questions I'm sure I will ask as this project moves foward!By all means, ask. We don't bite. -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: Another TR7 Journey begins
Extender boards aren't needed for alignment and, actually, you should not use extenders for anything other than troubleshooting.? The rig can be aligned from any point in the procedure but it's recommended that every adjustment after your point of entry be completed.? The procedure was written so that adjustments that affect other adjustments (such as the power supply board) are done before subsequent steps. If your set is older, you may need to remove an earlier filtering circuit in order to align one of the oscillators (I can't remember which one at this time but I'm sure that Jim or Peter will join in here).? It's important to have an accurate frequency counter and voltmeter. Good luck! Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
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On Thursday, February 8th, 2024 at 5:49 PM, Bill NZ0T <nz0tham@...> wrote: I had a TR7 about 15 years ago and loved it but I sold it to help finance my K3 purchase, which I also love and still have.? I acquired a TR7 today from an estate today with the PS7.? It's S/N 2713. The thing was pretty dirty and will need a case repainting but seemed OK otherwise and the price was right.? Here's what I have gleaned so far: |
Another TR7 Journey begins
I had a TR7 about 15 years ago and loved it but I sold it to help finance my K3 purchase, which I also love and still have.? I acquired a TR7 today from an estate today with the PS7.? It's S/N 2713. The thing was pretty dirty and will need a case repainting but seemed OK otherwise and the price was right.? Here's what I have gleaned so far:
1.? The PS7 doesn't work.? I hear the transformer thunk when I turn on the rig and the fans on the PS and TR7 both come on but nothing else.? The fuse is good and not blowing so I'll need to fix that at some point. 2.? The rig came on fine with a different PS and seems to RX and TX fine but power out was around 170 watts and the ALC light was not coming on.? I adjusted the control on the ALC board to about 150 watts on 20M at full drive and the ALC light now works but stays on no matter how low I adjust the drive.? I know there's another adjustment for that on 10M on a diffferent board but I haven't gotten to that yet.? Power doers adjust down to zero now. 3.? The S-meter reads very low but signals sound fine so guess that's another adjustement I need to make.? Forward and reflected hardly move the meter and adjusting the controls by the antenna socket make no difference. 4.? Some good news is that all 4 filter slots are full which is great news for a CW op like me. 5.? There's a big change in noise between USB and LSB looks like carrier balance is off. 6.? The sidetone volume level is very low, I have to turn the volume control way up to hear it. I do have a PDF copy of the service manual.? The big question is will I need the board extenders to fix all this and properly align the rig?? If so wheer can I find some that won't cost me too much? My apologies in advance for the many stupid questions I'm sure I will ask as this project moves foward! 73, Bill NZ0T |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
I can relate to that Tom. It does seem that no matter how many times I proof something I still miss things too often. I hope if anyone spots any errors in my stuff they will let me know. Thanks for all that you do.
73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 15:20:48 -0600 "Tom Evans" <Tom.AG9X@...> wrote: Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc. No matter -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Mark, Just so you know, when the Vatican representative shows up, I have nominated you for sainthood.? :) Regards, Kirk, NT0Z My book, "Stealth Amateur Radio," is now available from
www.stealthamateur.com and on the Amazon Kindle (soon)
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 03:21:04 PM CST, Tom Evans <tom.ag9x@...> wrote:
Jim, Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc.? No matter how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes?can spot unseen errors. As I get time, I'll update the document and replace it.
Mark G4FPH, I'm glad you found it useful and thank you for the kind comments. Thanks, Tom, AG9X On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:04?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:
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Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Jim, Thanks for catching the errors in the parent board pinout doc.? No matter how many times a person rechecks something, a different pair of eyes?can spot unseen errors. As I get time, I'll update the document and replace it.
Mark G4FPH, I'm glad you found it useful and thank you for the kind comments. Thanks, Tom, AG9X On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:04?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:
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Re: Looking for L75 amp meter replacement.
Yeah, I was doing the same thing. Fully-working is the best situation.? Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Sent from for iOS On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 14:09, Roberto - YS1RS via groups.io <ys1rs@...> wrote:
Thank you Steve. |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Here we go. I think this was what I found. I was not actually searching for errors at the time and I neglected to make any notes. Tom's drawing is an amazing work. Buy the guy a beer (or two)! I can imagine how much time he spent on this.
Document Drake TR-7 Parent Board pinout_20210520_11x17.pdf: Pin 11/30 (5.645 MHz carrier> PBT 10/32) should be 13.6 V DC Pin 10/32 (5.645 MHz Carrier > 2nd IF 11/30) should be 5.645 MHz Carrier > Transmit Exciter 3/27 Pin 3/27 (5.645 MHz carrier > PBT 10/22) should be 5.645 MHz carrier < PBT 10/32 I think that's all. 73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:06:11 -0600 "Jim Shorney via groups.io" <jimNU0C@...> wrote: ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look. -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: Looking for L75 amp meter replacement.
Thank you Steve.
It is a great satisfaction to have the L75 Amp working in all respects. To see how the readings matches the manual and now it is easier to take care of it by reading the Plate and Grid mA. Before, I was fully depending on the Wattmeter. Yes, that put me kind on the ballpark, but now I am certain of what is happening inside the Amp. 73 Rob YS1RS |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Nice work Mark! It sounds like you are bringing a poor abused child back to useful existence. Well worth the time and trouble.
The band switch detent is pretty light on these. Is is the ball and leaf spring at the rear. The stiff wire attached to the the bulkhead between sections is a ground point for the shaft. If you have not already I recommend that you replace capacitor C2108 on the power supply board. This is the hardest working electrolytic in the radio and is prone to failure in strange ways. Also, 10-turn trim pots for the fixed passband adjustments are a worthy upgrade documented on the internet by PA0CMU. The TR7 boards were nicely photo documented some years ago here. ISTR that I spotted an error in Tom's very nice Parent Board document but I never got back to it. I'll have to take another look. 73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 10:08:37 -0800 "atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> wrote: Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting. -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Wow, Great dedication! Congratulations. Marty KL7AM From: "atlasstuff" <g4fph@...> To: "DRAKE-RADIO" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 9:08:37 AM Subject: [DRAKE-RADIO] Drake TR-7 - A repair journey Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting. A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-( This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found: On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now. On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail. On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box. On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here? On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end. On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here? On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector. Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper. With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here! My thanks to:
Regards, Mark, G4FPH. |
Re: Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhat a job!!!?Thanks for sharing your journey and good luck with the TX! I also brought back life to two ?junk TR7s¡°. (Yours sounds really terrible¡) ?You learn a lot about the radio that way. ?And you appreciate that there isn¡¯t really much that can¡¯t be repaired in a TR7.? 73, Dieter DL5RDO Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 08.02.2024 um 19:08 schrieb atlasstuff <g4fph@...>:
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Drake TR-7 - A repair journey
Hi to all in the group. Below some findings from my repair journey with a TR-7 that you may find interesting.
A couple of years ago, I acquired a Drake 'job lot' on eBay. Until this week, the TR-7 transceiver (an early one in the low 1000 s/n range) had just gathered dust. I looked at the radio when I got it and knew it was going to be trouble. Externally there were missing case screws; some screws broken off in their bottom chassis nuts; and sheet metal screws of various sizes used in threaded holes. Internally, I could tell just by looking at the power supply board that the person(s) who had worked on it previously should never have been allowed to use a soldering iron. Maybe is was a gas torch they actually used:-( This week, I decided the time had come to fix the thing. Starting symptoms were panel lights only, no signs of life in IF and AF stages and the frequency display tumbling uncontrollably. Here's what I found: On the Power Supply board. Series pass transistor for the 10-Volt rail and the 5-Volt regulator were floating in free space; Ferrite core on the inverter transformer had come apart, giving no / low 24- and -5-Volt supplies; Tracks lifted / open-circuit where the +10 V SET and USB PBT pots had been replaced. Could really use a new power supply board, but patched it up for now. On the IF Selectivity board. Several large solder splashes bridging PCB tracks, presumably put there when additional IF filters were installed, and which appeared to be the source of a short on the +10-Volt R rail. On the Transmit Exciter board. Switching transistor for the 10-Volt R rail open-circuit. 2N4402 replaced with ZTX550 from junk box. On the chassis. The scrapes around the band-switch on the rear panel told me the band switch had been removed previously. The switch wafers along the shaft were FUBAR, causing the synthesiser to be mis-programmed; the VCO to be on 'HI' range when the radio was set to the 'low' bands and loss of RF signal paths through the LPF and HPF. So bad was the mess, I almost made a service tool that could be used to flip the indexing on individual wafers 0 / 180-degrees. Eventually I made do with using the Drake band switch shaft, inserting in alternately (and only part-way) through the rear- and front-panel holes until all wafers were indexed correctly. It took a long time, not helped by not being able to see where the wipers on many of the wafers were pointing. The tension on the bandswitch as it turns is very weak. I can't understand how the single piece of (spring steel?) wire can exert much force on the switch shaft to improve matters. Perhaps there's something missing / broken here? Any knowledge from the group here? On the Pass Band Tuning board, the CMOS switch that processes the PBT voltages was faulty. MC14016 replaced with CD4066, in IC socket, just in case;-) The PBT voltage being fed to the VCXO was nonsense with any position of the mode switch; whether any of the PBT pots on the power supply board were adjusted; and whether PBT was engaged, or not. With the fault present, the 'toppy' / restricted frequency response of the noise out of the receiver sounded like the PBT control was set hard to one end. On the HPF daughter board, bridged tracks around the PIN diodes and a brown stain on the board where something had got hot. The UM9401 PIN diodes had been replaced with an assortment of silicon rectifier diodes. I have some sympathy here. Access to the rear of the board in-situ to make a repair job is not easy. I removed all three diodes, cleaned the rear of the board with solder wick and re-built the three diodes in a Christmas tree on the front of the board. I did not have any of the original PIN diodes. Looking at this article I substituted 1N4007. They work well on RX, but remains to be seen whether they will be good enough on TX. Any group experiences here? On the Digital Display board, dry solder joints on the rear Molex connector. Evidence of contact cleaner spray sticky residue near all Molex connectors in the card cage. Can't believe this was the right stuff for the job. Cleaned up and selective use of DeoxIT D100L from a needle dropper. With all of that done, the receiver is now fully working and sounds good. The next part of the journey will be the transmitter - I feel I am overdue some luck here! My thanks to:
Regards, Mark, G4FPH. |
Re: RV75 Issues: Part 3
The TP114 test point should be a good place to get the frequencyClint, Yes, figured this out. Using the freq counter in my Tek 2465BCT scope. The good news: the Reference Oscillator is right on freq: 1.28000 MHz at TP114 The bad news: the VCXO appears not to be working (oscillating). No signal at VCXO Test Point on RF & Analog board. This likely explains the symptoms I am seeing. Preliminary investigation shows no reason for this; however I am just getting started with the troubleshooting. Could be many causes including more failed axial lead ceramic caps, bad xtal, etc. . This look like a substantial challenge to troubleshoot.? Rick K8EZB |
Re: LED Bulb Replacement
I used these guys for my L4B. Work pretty good.? 73 Mark W0NCL
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 08:53:02 AM CST, Bob W8RID <davet354tfd@...> wrote:
I have an L-4B Amp. Love it!! W8RID |
LED Bulb Replacement
I have an L-4B Amp. Love it!! W8RID |
Re: RV75 Issues: Part 3
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Rick, ? The TP114 test point should be a good place to get the frequency.? This is to prevent loading on the oscillator.? All I have got to go on is the schematic which isn¡¯t a very good copy.? It¡¯s all I was able to find on the net.? Use an as accurate a frequency counter as you can get your hands on.? The cheap ones, unless they are GPS disciplined can get you close, maybe withing a 100Hz or so of the operating frequency.? GPS disciplined ones can get you down to the Hertz level. ? 73, Clint, VE3CMQ From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Rick K8EZB via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2024 15:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] RV75 Issues: Part 3 ?
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Re: RV75 Issues: Part 3
Yes, my pics are pre-recap. Capars are a ticking bomb. Check often for strange spurs.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 13:54:53 -0800 "VE7PS" <ve7ps@...> wrote: Jim can confirm, but I assume that the P107 pic Jim sent you was from -- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: RV75 Issues: Part 3
Will peak out once in a while to find out how this ends Peter, I have downloaded the data sheets for the digital integrated circuits on the digital board and studied the ToO section of the manual until I can almost recite it verbatim. As I look at the troubleshooting data I have compiled so far in the context of the ToO explanations I am increasingly of the opinion that the digital circuitry is likley working as designed. If so, this points strongly to "alignment" iissues, especially the Reference Oscillator frequency setting.? As I currently understand the operation of the RV75,? it provides only an (synthesized)? RF frequency to the TR7, much like the RV7 (which is not synthesized). The TR7 converts this RF to a digital frequency display when the RV75 is connected and in start up, TUNE or FIXED modes, or at the end of the tuning range. If this RV75 RF signal is the "wrong" frequency due to misalignment, the TR7 will display the "wrong" frequency at start up, in TUNE, and FIXED, and at the limits of the tuning range, as I am seeing. All this is probably elementary to old RV75 hands, but to a newbie like me who is seeing all this for the first tiem, it is a bit of a revelation. I strongly suspect that I will find my problems in the analog portions of the circuitry and that correct? alignment will?be an important part of the solution. So far, this is little more than a SWAG. We'll see soon enough. Rick K8EZB |