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Re: MFJ to go out of business
Robert K9TWC
开云体育Most will find a one to blame but really it’s our own fault for not keeping and eye and hear on problems and speaking up until it’s after the fact. We always find someone else to blame while disregarding the issues onto others or their institutions. We should have, could have, and now it’s to late while the herd is pushed out of the past it ignored. The things you blame for now were put in motion 20 plus years ago. Civility is everything. The world is changing and change is the essence of life. Deal with it!On Apr 26, 2024, at 1:05 PM, Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io <w1es@...> wrote:
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Re: MFJ to go out of business
Jim, I’ve been thinking the same thing. ?OTOH, I have no idea what his sales figures are, vs pre-2020, and am not privy to his balance sheet. It could be a move to get a waffling buyer to commit. ? Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Sent from for iOS On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 10:51 AM, Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:
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Re: Old Drakes ALC
Any processor that causes the output signal to not be a perfectly linear reproduction of the input signal creates distortion. Even ALC systems cause distortion, albeit usually?small and not a problem. Several years back I tested 4 different audio processors for distortion. The best was a split band audio processor, the worst was the Ten Tec RF processor. The Ten Tec unit had goof RF filters so the harmonic distortion was not an issue, but it had such awful IMD distortion that I got tired of the poor audio reports I frequently received and eventually sold the unit. I haven't seen any info on how well the processors in the new generation of digital transceivers work and would be interested if anyone could shed some light on how they compare with the older analog approaches. Bill N0CU On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 10:35?AM Jim VE7RF via <jim.thom=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Old Drakes ALC
On 2024-04-26 09:35, Jim VE7RF wrote:
I experimented with my 6 x band digital compressor,*** Is that something you bought? Or something you made? I've played with audio with a PJRC Teensy 4. They have an audio design tool on their website; you drag and drop mixers, filters etc, and it creates a skeleton "C" program to implement it. I used that to create a CW filter/translator for my KWM-2, which is horrible for CW as is - because the sidetone & received signal are 1750Hz. I mix it down to 650Hz and do some serious audio filtering. All in software. - Jerry, KF6VB |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
per ex employees who live in the same town, who know the current employees etc.? a buyer was found 2 yrs ago, but that dragged on and fell through.? ?It went back up for sale 6 months ago.? ?And no, DXE did not offer to buy em out.? ? A full page ad in QST, and that was eons ago, was $20k.? ? QST / ARRL is gonna take a massive hit.? ? I did order a bunch of misc amplifier parts yesterday, zero issues, and on it's way.? |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
Plus, no one could (Or was allowed) go to work, so all aspects of a mail order business were affected, big time!
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Joe - W7RKN -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jerry-KF6VB via groups.io Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] MFJ to go out of business On 2024-04-26 05:50, Dan K9DTC wrote: What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his*** It also caused disruptions in the supply chains. You couldn't get parts. - Jerry, KF6VB |
Re: Old Drakes ALC
?"Note that as a rule of thumb the ratio of peak to average in male speech is about 10db." ? Point is, without basic ALC, your average power output on SSB would be through the floor.? ?That's assuming using just enough audio drive to? just drive the xcvr to say 100w pep out.? ?You can see that on any average reading wattmeter. ? I experimented? with my 6 x band digital compressor, and even with the rls times as low as 20 msecs, it works pretty good, but isn't like a RF clipper.? ?Done correctly, you can get globs of talk power....and zero distortion...and have no alc showing on the xcvr.? ? The problem with RF clipping is..... the filters only remove the out of band imd, and not in band imd...so there is a limitation there.? ?Another method is to use ALC, but with a much faster rls time constant.? Done right, that will be distortion free...and just as effective as rf clipping.? ? And any processing scheme will work at an optimum level if preceded by a good audio compressor.? You need to feed a constant level? into the device/xcvr etc.? With a boom headset, the mic is a constant distance from ur mouth.? To kill background noise pickup, either a gate, multiband gate, or downward expander is used.? ?A noise gate is just a high ratio downward expander.? ? remember when? TV commercials came on....and just about blew u outa the chair ?? ?I looked at em on an SA....and what happened when the commercials came on,? is all the peaks dropped exactly .5 db? all the way from lows...to highs, (20 hz to 20k)... meanwhile the average increased by exactly 6.0 db...again right across the entire passband.? ? And that's on top of regular program material.? ? With ham radio ssb, on RX, we have AGC.? ?S meters are peak reading devices....they won't depict average power.? On the old drakes, from S3? to 60 db over S9 only increased the audio output by a mere 3 db.? It's all squashed flat. |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
Post-Covid labor supply also continues to be disrupted and expensive. Business needs a certain amount of margin to be worthwhile. Particularly a manufacturer like MFJ that tended to make items on the lower end of the price spectrum, customers may not be willing to absorb the price increases. Everything I buy at the grocery store post-Covid is either smaller, more expensive, or both smaller and more expensive. Most of MFJ's products don't have any more corners that could be cut.
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Drake B Line Twins For Sale
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Tim Randa
Have a nice Drake station I'd like to sell.
I have come to the conclusion that my eyes are too poor and my hands too shakey to trouble shoot and repair the tube radios I have loved through the years. Recently repaired/aligned by Ron Baker. No issues, several pieces. Please email direct for complete info. Picture on my QRZ page. Pickup only at this time in Wichita, KS 73 de Tim? K?FL |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
On 2024-04-26 05:50, Dan K9DTC wrote:
What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his*** It also caused disruptions in the supply chains. You couldn't get parts. - Jerry, KF6VB |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
??? As many of you have heard by now, MFJ is ceasing its on-site production in Starkville, Mississippi on May 17, 2024.? This is also the same for our sister companies’ Ameritron, Hygain, Cushcraft, Mirage and Vectronics.
Hopefully if MFJ is sold to a new owner, it doesn't end up like the Ten Tec debacle, with a continuing website and information about new products and promises of a bright future ending with a small fizzle. Lots of Hams out there with Ameritron amps that'll be rushing to liquidate in fear of lack of future service/parts (like Ten Tec).? I knew that my decision to purchase a JK Antennas "Force 12" XR6 over the Hy-Gain TH-7DX was a good move.? No looking back.? I suppose it'll seem like they never closed for the next decade or so with EBAY and others having to have a special section dedicated just for? "MFJ Items for sale".? Thousands upon thousands of? pieces/parts available, as we're all proud owners of this ubiquitous shack clutter. Peter VE9KX |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
I was thinking this might be a smart tactical move by Martin. Shutting it down may light a fire under some potential buyers to come to terms.
Or maybe I just don't know anything about business. On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 13:59:49 +0000 "Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io" <w1es@...> wrote: I'd seen chatter from six months ago that Martin was trying to sell the business. I've also heard that there were buyers but the parties could not achieve a meeting of the minds on the terms of sale.-- 73 -Jim NU0C |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
Maybe it caused problems with manufacturing. That could account for both the price increase and the problems he is having now. Lack of personnel perhaps.
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On 4/26/2024 5:50 AM, Dan K9DTC wrote:
What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his business???? Covid gave ham radio the biggest shot in the arm that anything could ever do!!! The lockdowns caused many many people to turn to hobbies like radio. A Ameritron 811 went from $850 to $1400. Just as one example of how much amps went up. Maybe the overpricing of certain items effected his business but not the lack of interest. --
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Re: MFJ to go out of business
I'd seen chatter from six months ago that Martin was trying to sell the business.? I've also heard that there were buyers but the parties could not achieve a meeting of the minds on the terms of sale. Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
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On Friday, April 26th, 2024 at 8:59 AM, Paul Christensen <w9ac@...> wrote:
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Re: MFJ to go out of business
Because those lockdowns also shuttered businesses, which couldn't operate due to either the mandates or the fear that people had of going out and to work.? Not hard to figure that out. The government also started handing out payments for people to? NOT work. So yes, it gave a lot of us more leisure time to stay home and play radio but that additional leisure time came at the expense of productive work, which was not happening or happening a lot less. Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
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On Friday, April 26th, 2024 at 8:50 AM, Dan K9DTC <dcsfree@...> wrote:
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Re: MFJ to go out of business
开云体育Yes there were some issues but that keep the supply and demand going. Yes I believe the age is a factor. Like some many others of our generation who own businesses they can’t find people or siblings how want to take over so they just have to close. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 7:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] MFJ to go out of business ? Don’t ignore the many supply chain issues that affected manufacturers’ production volume.? ? I hope one or two “white knight” buyers surface.? But, given the tone of the letter it could be that an 80-year-old man with enough money simply wants to call it quits and avoid the many logistical and legal problems associated with the sale of a business. ? Paul, W9AC ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan K9DTC ? What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his business???? Covid gave ham radio the biggest shot in the arm that anything could ever do!!! The lockdowns caused many many people to turn to hobbies like radio. A Ameritron 811 went from $850 to $1400. Just as one example of how much amps went up. Maybe the overpricing of certain items effected his business but not the lack of interest. ? ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rob Sherwood ? I have 10 Hy-gain monoband Yagis and I hate the thought of not having access to aluminum replacement element parts. ?They break occasionally. ? Add to that a 2m Cushcraft, a 6m Ariane Arrays and a 40m JK.? Arian is out of business.? JK is solid.? Cushcraft and Hy-gain, ouch. ??? ? Rob, NC0B ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Toth via groups.io ? Oh man, I hate it when things like this happen (and I won't even go into the politics that caused it)! ? I hope somebody buys Hy-Gain and Cushcraft.? I have owned antennas by both and they were great (almost bought an Ameritron amp. but found the IC-2KL I was looking for. ? And, FWIW. my MFJ-939 Artificial Ground antenna tuner has worked GREAT on my 135FT end fed antenna with counterpoises - no complaints. ? It would be a service to the ham community if some company came in and took over the lines MFJ carried. ? - Steve? W7SJT ? "Always look for a positive solution then Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome" - Adaptation of the U.S. Marine Corps motto ? "There are no rules here!...We're trying to accomplish something!!" - Thomas Edison ? "Success is not final, failure is not fatal.? It is the courage to continue that counts." -?Winston Churchill ? ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 04:20:37 PM MDT, Lyndon VE7TFX <lyndon@...> wrote: ? ? Maybe not going entirely out of business.? From a Gigaparts note |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
开云体育Don’t ignore the many supply chain issues that affected manufacturers’ production volume.? ? I hope one or two “white knight” buyers surface.? But, given the tone of the letter it could be that an 80-year-old man with enough money simply wants to call it quits and avoid the many logistical and legal problems associated with the sale of a business. ? Paul, W9AC ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan K9DTC
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 8:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] MFJ to go out of business ? What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his business???? Covid gave ham radio the biggest shot in the arm that anything could ever do!!! The lockdowns caused many many people to turn to hobbies like radio. A Ameritron 811 went from $850 to $1400. Just as one example of how much amps went up. Maybe the overpricing of certain items effected his business but not the lack of interest. ? ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rob Sherwood ? I have 10 Hy-gain monoband Yagis and I hate the thought of not having access to aluminum replacement element parts. ?They break occasionally. ? Add to that a 2m Cushcraft, a 6m Ariane Arrays and a 40m JK.? Arian is out of business.? JK is solid.? Cushcraft and Hy-gain, ouch. ??? ? Rob, NC0B ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Toth via groups.io ? Oh man, I hate it when things like this happen (and I won't even go into the politics that caused it)! ? I hope somebody buys Hy-Gain and Cushcraft.? I have owned antennas by both and they were great (almost bought an Ameritron amp. but found the IC-2KL I was looking for. ? And, FWIW. my MFJ-939 Artificial Ground antenna tuner has worked GREAT on my 135FT end fed antenna with counterpoises - no complaints. ? It would be a service to the ham community if some company came in and took over the lines MFJ carried. ? - Steve? W7SJT ? "Always look for a positive solution then Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome" - Adaptation of the U.S. Marine Corps motto ? "There are no rules here!...We're trying to accomplish something!!" - Thomas Edison ? "Success is not final, failure is not fatal.? It is the courage to continue that counts." -?Winston Churchill ? ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 04:20:37 PM MDT, Lyndon VE7TFX <lyndon@...> wrote: ? ? Maybe not going entirely out of business.? From a Gigaparts note |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
开云体育What I don’t understand is the owner mentions covid affected his business???? Covid gave ham radio the biggest shot in the arm that anything could ever do!!! The lockdowns caused many many people to turn to hobbies like radio. A Ameritron 811 went from $850 to $1400. Just as one example of how much amps went up. Maybe the overpricing of certain items effected his business but not the lack of interest. ? ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rob Sherwood
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 9:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] MFJ to go out of business ? I have 10 Hy-gain monoband Yagis and I hate the thought of not having access to aluminum replacement element parts. ?They break occasionally. ? Add to that a 2m Cushcraft, a 6m Ariane Arrays and a 40m JK.? Arian is out of business.? JK is solid.? Cushcraft and Hy-gain, ouch. ??? ? Rob, NC0B ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Toth via groups.io ? Oh man, I hate it when things like this happen (and I won't even go into the politics that caused it)! ? I hope somebody buys Hy-Gain and Cushcraft.? I have owned antennas by both and they were great (almost bought an Ameritron amp. but found the IC-2KL I was looking for. ? And, FWIW. my MFJ-939 Artificial Ground antenna tuner has worked GREAT on my 135FT end fed antenna with counterpoises - no complaints. ? It would be a service to the ham community if some company came in and took over the lines MFJ carried. ? - Steve? W7SJT ? "Always look for a positive solution then Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome" - Adaptation of the U.S. Marine Corps motto ? "There are no rules here!...We're trying to accomplish something!!" - Thomas Edison ? "Success is not final, failure is not fatal.? It is the courage to continue that counts." -?Winston Churchill ? ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 04:20:37 PM MDT, Lyndon VE7TFX <lyndon@...> wrote: ? ? Maybe not going entirely out of business.? From a Gigaparts note |
Re: MFJ to go out of business
开云体育I have 10 Hy-gain monoband Yagis and I hate the thought of not having access to aluminum replacement element parts. ?They break occasionally. ? Add to that a 2m Cushcraft, a 6m Ariane Arrays and a 40m JK.? Arian is out of business.? JK is solid.? Cushcraft and Hy-gain, ouch. ??? ? Rob, NC0B ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Steve Toth via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 8:44 PM To: [email protected]; Richard Knoppow Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] MFJ to go out of business ? Oh man, I hate it when things like this happen (and I won't even go into the politics that caused it)! ? I hope somebody buys Hy-Gain and Cushcraft.? I have owned antennas by both and they were great (almost bought an Ameritron amp. but found the IC-2KL I was looking for. ? And, FWIW. my MFJ-939 Artificial Ground antenna tuner has worked GREAT on my 135FT end fed antenna with counterpoises - no complaints. ? It would be a service to the ham community if some company came in and took over the lines MFJ carried. ? - Steve? W7SJT ? "Always look for a positive solution then Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome" - Adaptation of the U.S. Marine Corps motto ? "There are no rules here!...We're trying to accomplish something!!" - Thomas Edison ? "Success is not final, failure is not fatal.? It is the courage to continue that counts." -?Winston Churchill ? ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 04:20:37 PM MDT, Lyndon VE7TFX <lyndon@...> wrote: ? ? Maybe not going entirely out of business.? From a Gigaparts note |