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Query - any D-Star 1240-1300 DD networks still in use?

 

All:

I'm working on a future story for my newsletter
() about the failed promise of the
Icom ID-1 system.

Part 1
I'm aware that there were (or still are) "ID-1 networks" in:
* Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN
* Dallas, TX
* Vancouver, BC

Anyone on this list from those groups?

Any others that you know about?

Any other significant use of ID-1s outside of Japan?


Part 2
Any thoughts from this group about the "ID-1" capability in the Icom
IC-9700 (1240-1300 MHz, inclusion of D-Star "DD" mode)?

Part 3
Does anyone here have any contacts within Icom relevant to the ID-1?


Thanks,

Steve Stroh N8GNJ

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Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

All:

Thanks for all the help! Now sorted. You can read all about it at
.

Bottom line:
One of my three ID-1 radios has a bad (or modified by previous owner)
bolt thread. An M4 0.7 thread machine screw will only engage 2-3
threads at most on that radio.

The other two ID-1 radios have M4 0.7 threads.

The Icom MB28H bracket is the same one I had with one of the three
radios. Fortunately I already HAD a couple of these brackets, which
are now allocated for the other two ID-1s.

Thanks for all the help:
* Al, thanks for the tip about Lowes - you're right - great selection
of small metric machine screws!
* Glenn - Thanks for the tip about the MB28H bracket - that was a
great tip because I have some (see the article).
* Tony - Thanks also for the tip about the MB28H bracket, and the
detailed info on the hardware - none of my documentation had that
detail.

Again, thanks all!

Steve N8GNJ
Bellingham, Washington, USA
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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:01 PM Steve Stroh via groups.io
<steve.stroh@...> wrote:

As I relate in this blog post - , I now own three used ID-1s. Two of the three did not come with brackets for mounting the radio. Can anyone provide a pointer to the P/N or name of the bracket for the ID-1 radio? I'm hoping that same bracket is used by another Icom radio that can be still be purchased as an accessory.

Also, can anyone tell me what the ideal machine screws are for attaching the bracket to the ID-1 radio?

I hope to get the ID-1s working in data mode attached to Raspberry Pis. I have no current "practical" use for them, I just thought it would be cool to get them on the air on the otherwise very quiet 1240-1300 MHz band here in Whatcom County, Washington.

Thanks,
Steve Stroh N8GNJ
Bellingham, Washington, USA



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Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

I got my metric screws at Lowes, yes M4, the reason they only go in a couple of threads is because you have the wrong thread pitch, correct is .7 Thread Per mm

The screws I have screw into the radio body about 12 mm

Good luck?

The ID1 is a great radio

KF5SMH


Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

Thanks all for the input. Just a quick note here, with more research
on your inputs about the bracket tomorrow.

After spending 15 minutes at the local Ace Hardware standing in front
of the small Metric Machine Screws drawers with the ID-1 radio in my
hand, I was forced to conclude that the bracket screw threads ARE "M4"
after all. M5 was obviously too large, and M3 pushed right through
without engaging the threads.

My second conclusion was that the M4 threads on the radio body were
simply very shallow, as in 2 or 3 threads at most. I couldn't believe
it either - I tried different M4 screws, in all four of the radio's
screw threads. In each case, I could get a few threads in, cleanly,
but no more than that. Even with just those few threads, the screw
seats solidly, and I'll be able to install the first radio onto the
one bracket I currently have (with the help of a washer). I wouldn't
do this if I was going to use it mobile, but I'm mounting the radio to
the bracket, and the bracket to base, along with the control head for
fixed use in my shack. I'll include a photo when I complete it in the
next few days, now that the screw size is "sorted out".

For a radio that was that expensive, 20 years ago, I'm surprised at
this lack of attention to detail on the part of Icom.

Thanks,

Steve N8GNJ

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Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

Hi Steve,

None of my ID-1 radios came with a mobile bracket for the main unit.? Perhaps you could
measure the bracket you do have and let us know.

Doing some research, the ID-1 user manual lists an optional mobile mounting bracket
as MB-17A.?? The Icom UK site:
shows it is for several radios including the IC-2100H and IC-2200H.? Unfortunately, it's a quick
release bracket, and probably no longer available.?? There is one for sale on QTH asking $35.00


Looking at Universal Radio site information for Discontinued models of Icom,
it shows that MB-17A for the IC-2100H and IC-2200H, but also shows a bracket MB-28H.
Width and Height of the two models is the same of 140 X 40 mm, but the depth is different.?
The IC-2300H is also 140 X 40 mm, but different depth.? ID-800H is also 140 X 40 mm.

The Icom ID-1 User manual shows the dimensions of 141 X 40 mm.??
So the MB-28H or a mobile mounting bracket from the listed mobile radios might work,
but is narrower by 1 mm it would seem.? Might be worth a try or fabricate one?
DX Engineering shows dimensions of the MB-28H bracket when looking at the pictures.
https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/ico-mb-28h
Of course, not in stock.

HRO shows in stock in Sacramento, CA for $29.95

It says "Fits radio Width of 141mm (5.5") screw spacing 50mm (2.0")".

So, maybe the Icom MB-28H would work for you.
Also, the IC-2100H service manual lists part numbers for
the mounting bracket and various screws.

MP1? 8010016380? 1542 Mobil bracket (B)
MP3? 8820000530? Flange bolt M4x8? qty 4
MP4? 8810000470? Screw PH M5x12 (+/-)? qty 4
MP5? 8810000950? Screw PH A0 M5x16? qty 4
MP7? 8850000150? Flat washer M5 NI BS? qty 4
MP8? 8830000120? Nut M5? qty 4

Perhaps a call to Icom America Parts to see if brackets are available?
Pic below is from IC-2100H service manual.


73,
Tom
de KC9ONY


Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

I use a ICOM MB28H on my ID-1


Re: Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

Steve, a bracket from a Yaesu 7900 should work just fine, my other Icom radios are about 1/4" wider, screws are 4 mm x 75mm x .7 thread

KF5SMH


Pointers to ID-1 Radio Bracket?

 

As I relate in this blog post -?, I now own three used ID-1s. Two of the three did not come with brackets for mounting the radio. Can anyone provide a pointer to the P/N or name of the bracket for the ID-1 radio? I'm hoping that same bracket is used by another Icom radio that can be still be purchased as an accessory.

Also, can anyone tell me what the ideal machine screws are for attaching the bracket to the ID-1 radio?

I hope to get the ID-1s working in data mode attached to Raspberry Pis. I have no current "practical" use for them, I just thought it would be cool to get them on the air on the otherwise very quiet 1240-1300 MHz band here in Whatcom County, Washington.

Thanks,
Steve Stroh N8GNJ
Bellingham, Washington, USA?


New Hybrid Repeaters

 

Any updates on a timeframe for release of the new hybrid dual mode DSTAR repeaters?


Adjustment Software?

 

The service manual for the ID-1 says that you adjust its frequency to spec using some "Adjustment Software".
Is this an actual thing?? Where can I get it? (I have the operating software, there does not seem to be any way to do adjustments from that).

Thanks

Ken? (KE2N)


New Icom D-STAR Repeaters (Brochure Attached)

 






Brochure Attached?


Re: 23cm D-STAR Activity in UK?

David Ackrill
 

Update - I did a bit of digging on the RSGB Repeater lists website and found out there is a 23cm D-Star system not that far away from here.? GB7NA-A near Barnsley, about 37km north of me (23 miles).

I'll see if I can contact the keeper of that system and will try and use it if I can.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


Re: 23cm D-STAR Activity in UK?

David Ackrill
 

Thanks for the reply Jim,

I think there may only be one 23cm D-Star repeater operated from the Icom UK HQ in Herne Bay, but that's about 265km from here (just under 165 miles) and I don't think would be workable on FM. I have worked stations down that way on 23cm but mainly CW or SSB.

I'll have a look into setting up a hotspot, I've seen references to those before, but I'm not sure how many other 23cm D-Star users there will be arround here.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


Re: 23cm D-STAR Activity in UK?

 

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Hopefully you will discover some 23cm D-STAR repeaters within RF range.? Ideally you’d have access both to DV and DD mode modules.


You might also consider building yourself a 23cm D-STAR hotspot.? I have not done one on 23cm, though I have built many for VHF and UHF.? The modern way is to get an MMDVM (Multi-Mode-Digital-Voice-Modem), configure it for just D-Star and use it with an analog FM 23cm transceiver.? The idea is to be able to pull unprocessed, unfiltered audio from the discriminator and inject unprocessed, unfiltered TX audio to the modulator (and be able to trigger PTT, of course).? If you find a transceiver with a 9600 baud “data” connector, that radio will usually allow you to do those things.

Then just build or maybe buy a modem to radio cable and install the Pi-Star image on a Raspberry Pi and configure.? The G4KLX program ircDDBGateway that is part of the Pi-Star image supports DD mode, which is one of the things that makes your 9700 so special.

??? Jim – K6JM

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Ackrill
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 9:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [D-STAR23cm] 23cm D-STAR Activity in UK?

Hi,

I've just ordered an IC-9700 and, although D-Star on 23cm wasn't one of the reasons I decided to get this model, if it's got the capability, I'd like to have a go at using it.

I am already on 23cm using a TS2000X and have a Yagi up on a rotator and have been on the band since about 2007.? My main interest is working people on CW or SSB, but I can access a repeater that is about 52km (32 miles) away using 10 Watts under 'flat' band conditions, so I have a reasonable location for UHF.

I did buy a DM4600 on 70cm some years ago and used it in my car for a while but lost interest as it was a bit fiddly to change channels and I was never quite sure that I had set the codeplug up correctly. So, I understand some things about operating a digital radio.

The questions I have, whilst waiting for the delivery of my new radio, are 1) How many other 23cm D-Star users are there in the UK and 2) What can I do with it when I get the radio set up?

Thanks for any advice.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)




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23cm D-STAR Activity in UK?

David Ackrill
 

Hi,

I've just ordered an IC-9700 and, although D-Star on 23cm wasn't one of the reasons I decided to get this model, if it's got the capability, I'd like to have a go at using it.

I am already on 23cm using a TS2000X and have a Yagi up on a rotator and have been on the band since about 2007.? My main interest is working people on CW or SSB, but I can access a repeater that is about 52km (32 miles) away using 10 Watts under 'flat' band conditions, so I have a reasonable location for UHF.

I did buy a DM4600 on 70cm some years ago and used it in my car for a while but lost interest as it was a bit fiddly to change channels and I was never quite sure that I had set the codeplug up correctly. So, I understand some things about operating a digital radio.

The questions I have, whilst waiting for the delivery of my new radio, are 1) How many other 23cm D-Star users are there in the UK and 2) What can I do with it when I get the radio set up?

Thanks for any advice.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


IC09700 Dstar, pressing Mike causes the repeater link message to repeat

 

OK, I'm at a loss here, I have set up my new IC-9700 for DSTAR, and when press the mike key I get the message repeater linked message.? On the IC-92AD after you link, you push the CW button for a few seconds to get to cqcqcq.? How do you do it on an IC-9700?

Tnx,

Tom KT4XN


Re: Icom ID-1 Software?

 

for usb driver
,software, i hope it help you, AI4UE Peter in Burlington, NC


On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:36 AM Roberto Velasco <rovelasco@...> wrote:
Hi Peter! I also have an ID-1!!! I didnt't found a shop that sell the software. Thanks 73s from LU8EUT



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Re: Icom ID-1 Software?

 

Erik -?

Attached is the recent announcement from Icom regarding the new G3 D-STAR repeaters.?


73, Mark, WB9QZB

Mark Thompson
Email: wb9qzb_groups@...


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 08:49:17 AM CST, erwestgard <ewestgard@...> wrote:


The new updated ID-1 drivers are up there -yes.? Are there reports of any new or redesigned repeaters here?? We still use DD mode but now only as a backup to our Medical Command mesh.? DD mode is fast enough for our basic web database apps but not for any video which is popular with served agencies. ?The line of sight range is still lovely- miles and miles.?

?

Erik NY9D


Re: Icom ID-1 Software?

erwestgard
 

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The new updated ID-1 drivers are up there -yes.? Are there reports of any new or redesigned repeaters here?? We still use DD mode but now only as a backup to our Medical Command mesh.? DD mode is fast enough for our basic web database apps but not for any video which is popular with served agencies. ?The line of sight range is still lovely- miles and miles.?

?

Erik NY9D


Re: Icom ID-1 Software?

 

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All,

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Have you looked at the ICOM Japan ()?? I was able to update the driver from the site.

?

W6ONT

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Roberto Velasco <rovelasco@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2021 at 5:36 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [D-STAR23cm] Icom ID-1 Software?

?

Hi Josh! Can you share? Have an ID-1