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Ron,
I don't know how everyone else feels about this. But most of this is over
my head. But that is the only way I am going to learn read and study read and
study. I don't know if I'd have time to keep up with another list.
Tracey
Thanx to every one!


Ron Ginger
 

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.

ron


 

In a message dated 6/16/99 6:11:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ginger@... writes:

I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.
As of tonight there 203 on the list, we have lost around 15-20 that have
unsubscribed for whatever reason. I have asked for more input from the
lurkers, but if they are happy it is not for me to complain. Right now there
is a very strong thread on Lunix/EMC. And if this continues to make progress,
it appears it will be the system of choice for many of us. And the price
seems to be right.
But soon Dan will have the DRO cards out, so expect to see a good thread
there. Also STEPSTER is in the wings waiting awaiting more discussion.
Dan also has a system in the works for the Sherline sized equipment, this
should also develop a good thread.
As to whether to split the list, a few I's and about 190 saying
nothing????????
I would say to anyone if your subject is not being discussed, jump in and
teach the rest of us, or ask questions to get the rest of us to teach you.
Just thoughts from me.
bill


Dennis Mino
 

I'll second that motion!! All in favor say "I" !!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:14 PM
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.

ron

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Dennis Mino
 

That was quick!!!

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Robert Campbell
 

Dennis,

It does sound like a good idea. I would be in favor of splitting the group.

Bob Campbell

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:47 PM
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From: "Dennis Mino" <dmino@...>

I'll second that motion!! All in favor say "I" !!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:14 PM
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.

ron

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Dan Falck
 

Well, start another thread then. Maybe it will catch on.
But, I'm guessing that there are more than a dozen people interested in a
free machine control program. This list helped at least three of us (me
included) in setting up this program.
Machine control comes with the territory.

Dan



At 09:14 PM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.

ron

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Andy Olney
 

I am very interested in the EMC information here as well as the other
threads ( encoders, vacuum forming etc. ) and would prefer it remain all
mashed together.

I have a small Grizzly knee mill (G1004?), and some pic based servo boards
from www.jrkerr.com that I am intending to use to move my table.

Andy Olney


Tim Goldstein
 

My vote for what it is worth would be to not split the list. I think the EMC
/ Linux discussions are definitely within the scope of the group as we are
discussing how to use a CNC controller software.

I think the cross pollination between the computer side and the hardware /
machine end is very helpful to someone starting out. Also, splitting into 2
lists would most likely reduce the number of active.

There is nothing stopping anyone from starting another thread about any
topic. If there is something you want to discuss then post a message. If it
is of interest it will take off, if not it will die. I don't think having a
long lasting thread at all threatens the viability of other topics.

Final point, if you look at the people that carry the EMC / Linux thread and
look at the few responses to the other topics I think you will find that it
tends to be the same people and they bring a lot of expertise and insight to
the non-EMC topics. If sending the active topic to another list causes them
to not keep up on this one how much discussion will you really have going
on?

Just my $0.02 worth.


Tim
[Denver, CO]

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ginger [mailto:ginger@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 7:15 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.

just a thought for discussion.

ron

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I'd vote for keeping one list. It's pretty easy to just skip over topics
that don't appear interesting.

Anyway, I'm on enough lists; I don't want to have to add another :-)

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Tim Goldstein
 

I checked out the JR Kerr web site. Interesting product. I couldn't quite
understand though, does the pic board handle the input from the encoders or
is that handled by the computer it is attached to?

I was looking at the Grizzly G1004 in the catalog the other day. How long
have you had it? How do you like it? What don't you like about it?

Have you started to convert your machine to NC yet? What are you planning to
use for your servo motors?


Tim
[Denver, CO]

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Olney [mailto:aolney@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:01 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: "Andy Olney" <aolney@...>

I am very interested in the EMC information here as well as the other
threads ( encoders, vacuum forming etc. ) and would prefer it remain all
mashed together.

I have a small Grizzly knee mill (G1004?), and some pic based servo boards
from www.jrkerr.com that I am intending to use to move my table.

Andy Olney


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Andy Olney
 

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:17 PM
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From: "Tim Goldstein" <timg@...>

I checked out the JR Kerr web site. Interesting product. I couldn't quite
understand though, does the pic board handle the input from the encoders
or
is that handled by the computer it is attached to?
The picservo board reads the encoders (750000 Khz?) with a dedicated pic
chip sends it to the controller chip then closes the loop all on the board.
He sells a chip set for 32 bucks if you want to build your own board. I had
a small servo running in a couple of hours with the included test software.


I was looking at the Grizzly G1004 in the catalog the other day. How long
have you had it? How do you like it? What don't you like about it?
It is a nice machine, good fit and paint, adjustable bearings on all the
lead screws, seems tight. I am an ME not a machinist and don't have enough
experience to know what it is lacking. I wanted a machine with a knee and
this was the least expensive new machine.

Have you started to convert your machine to NC yet? What are you planning
to
use for your servo motors?
I have to go.

Tim
[Denver, CO]


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Olney [mailto:aolney@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:01 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: "Andy Olney" <aolney@...>

I am very interested in the EMC information here as well as the other
threads ( encoders, vacuum forming etc. ) and would prefer it remain all
mashed together.

I have a small Grizzly knee mill (G1004?), and some pic based servo
boards
from www.jrkerr.com that I am intending to use to move my table.

Andy Olney


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Jon Elson
 

Ron Ginger wrote:

From: Ron Ginger <ginger@...>

I am finding this Linux talk extremenly intresting, but is it possible
this is overwheleming the rest of the world of CNC in the home shop?
Might it make sense to split off into two groups, one just on EMC/linux,
the other as the origianl charter of this group. I noticed the other day
a message that said the list is over 200 names, but it appears to me
there are less than a dozen participating on the EMC/linuc thread.
There is an EMC mail list, at emc@...

I can't find subscription info, but if you email Fred Proctor at
proctor@...
he should be able to put you on the list.

Jon


 

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:17:18 EDT, WAnliker@... wrote:

Right now there
is a very strong thread on Lunix/EMC. And if this continues to make progress,
it appears it will be the system of choice for many of us. And the price
seems to be right.
But soon Dan will have the DRO cards out, so expect to see a good thread
there. Also STEPSTER is in the wings waiting awaiting more discussion.
Dan also has a system in the works for the Sherline sized equipment, this
should also develop a good thread.
As to whether to split the list, a few I's and about 190 saying
nothing????????
On our aviation engine list that's now over 2 years old, we've
repeatedly had the same sorta "firehose" phenom, whenever we get some
barnburner of a thread going. It might seem plausible to split the list,
but it becomes obvious to list denizens that this is infeasible, as soon
as a few such barnburners have come and gone, and people realize that
with such an interesting and rich focus area, it's inevitably gonna
actually happen overNover again. Hee.

The BEST solution to those annoyed by the firehose on topics they're not
currently jazzed about, is to freely switch backNforth from "firehose
mode" to "lounge lizard mode" (aka digest). When something like the EMC
thread fires up (which I TOO am not currently hot for, but like to watch
from the sidelines, cuz someday, who knows...), and the volume gets to
be too much for ya, consider going to lounge mode if skipping thru
individual posts isn't your cupOtea. That way, in digest mode, you can
scan thru the digest very quickly to find any morsels you're hoping for,
and when YOUR barnburner of a topic fires off, or when the current
barnburner abates, then switch back to normal mode. Since it's easy as
pie to switch backNforth, via the Onelist interface, it's a no-brainer.

We should just be thankful that the list is so hot as to keep the topics
focused on the chartered subjects. If you wuz askin me opinion, I see no
real justification for a split. Just me dos centavos.

I would say to anyone if your subject is not being discussed, jump in and
teach the rest of us, or ask questions to get the rest of us to teach you.
I agree, the best way to get a barnburner going is to light the match,
then stoke the fire.

Gar


 

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:44:16 -0500, Jon Elson <jmelson@...>
wrote:

There is an EMC mail list, at emc@...
OH, so there ya go; once people get turned onto EMC, they're likely to
migrate much of their questions over thar anyhoo. So long term, not
likely we have to worry about this becoming "another EMC list".

Again, just me dos centavos.

Gar


Tim Goldstein
 

Actually, Fred Proctor (the honcho that is in charge of EMC over at the
NIST) posted to the EMC list that they should subscribe here as there was
more active discussion on EMC subjects here.(heavy paraphrase of his
posting)


Tim
[Denver, CO]

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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:07 AM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
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From: garfield@... (Gar Willis)

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:44:16 -0500, Jon Elson <jmelson@...>
wrote:

There is an EMC mail list, at emc@...
OH, so there ya go; once people get turned onto EMC, they're likely to
migrate much of their questions over thar anyhoo. So long term, not
likely we have to worry about this becoming "another EMC list".

Again, just me dos centavos.

Gar


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mike grady
 

why cant all emc posts have emc at the beginning of the subject
so mail filters could be set to move to a different folder
for those who don't want to see them or read separately??

mike
Tim Goldstein wrote:

From: "Tim Goldstein" <timg@...>

Actually, Fred Proctor (the honcho that is in charge of EMC over at the
NIST) posted to the EMC list that they should subscribe here as there was
more active discussion on EMC subjects here.(heavy paraphrase of his
posting)

Tim
[Denver, CO]

-----Original Message-----
From: Gar Willis [mailto:garfield@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:07 AM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] List question


From: garfield@... (Gar Willis)

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:44:16 -0500, Jon Elson <jmelson@...>
wrote:

There is an EMC mail list, at emc@...
OH, so there ya go; once people get turned onto EMC, they're likely to
migrate much of their questions over thar anyhoo. So long term, not
likely we have to worry about this becoming "another EMC list".

Again, just me dos centavos.

Gar


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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:37:52 -0600, "Tim Goldstein"
<timg@...> wrote:

Actually, Fred Proctor (the honcho that is in charge of EMC over at the
NIST) posted to the EMC list that they should subscribe here as there was
more active discussion on EMC subjects here.(heavy paraphrase of his
posting)
Good heavens, now WHY would he do a thing like that?? Oh well, I guess
it works both ways, eh? But IF that's the case, that's perhaps mutha
naicha's way of suggesting that the focus of a purely EMC list is
sub-optimally narrow? But geez, how can that be?; EMC alone is no
smallish puppy, in itself. Guess I dunno.

It's a problem similar to evolution maybe, that shows just how much
diversity or focus is the best balance. A successful organism is a
flexible one. Heh.

Gar


mike grady
 

it does but it took me about 30 seconds to set a mail filter in netscape

the cnc+ or something short is a good idea
mike

Gar Willis wrote:

From: garfield@... (Gar Willis)

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:50:07 -0500, mike grady <mgrady@...> wrote:

why cant all emc posts have emc at the beginning of the subject
so mail filters could be set to move to a different folder
for those who don't want to see them or read separately??
That would work, but requires voluntarism from just the opposite folks,
than are being annoyed by a barnburner. Still, I've seen that used
effectively to shield tangential stuff from the general listener.

One minute problem, BTW, with making use of this "diplomacy" step, is
that the current prefix [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] is sooooo bloody long to begin
with, that adding another further filtering suffix like EMC: just makes
it even HARDER to read the subject lines in any reasonable length field.

Now that the group's at "cruise altitude", how hard would it be,
ObieWan, to shorten that some? Maybe to "CNC+" or something short.

Gar

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