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When this list was first started there was quite a lot about Conversational
CNC, but nothing since, for a long time.

Would someone undertake explaining to me and the list, what, and why
Conversational CNC is desirable, its advantages and disadvantages.

Also would any of the programmers on the list like to tackle a project like
that? If so I would set up a group for you to handle the technical
conversations. And I would be happy ti take care of any overhead for the
list. Hopefully this would add another option to our members????????????
Thanks,
bill
List Mom

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., wanliker@a... wrote:

When this list was first started there was quite a lot about

Conversational

CNC, but nothing since, for a long time.

Would someone undertake explaining to me and the list, what, and

why

Conversational CNC is desirable, its advantages and disadvantages.

Hi Bill. A few years back I used the Bridgeport Proto trak

conversions where I worked. They are conversational and for short
run or prototype they could not be beat. All you need to do is follow
the menu and answer the questions! After years of using them, it
sounded like a steady stream of beeps (beeps everytime you press a
key). Mill and drill programs only took minutes to write! I really
think that it would great if someone would (could?) write such a
program! Thanks! Rick
Ps Cannot really remember any disadvantages.

Wayne,

Please do give us the shameless plug. It is considered acceptable for
your to explain what you have, give a price, and answer questions about
it. You just have to conduct actual transactions off the list.

Tim
[Denver CO]

Bill,

Haas resently paid Hurco some big bucks in a patent law settlement to
use conversational programming on their controls :~) Seems Hurco has
some patents on the machine side of conversational programming.

Ref:

ticker=HURC&script=410&layout=6&item_id=110480

Funny thing - The Haas website does not mention this.



There a few PC based conversational programs out there. I will not
shamlessly plug my conversational "Lathe Quick Code" software.
Contact me offlist if you what to learn more about it.

Wayne




--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., wanliker@a... wrote:

When this list was first started there was quite a lot about

Conversational

CNC, but nothing since, for a long time.

Would someone undertake explaining to me and the list, what, and

why

Conversational CNC is desirable, its advantages and disadvantages.

Also would any of the programmers on the list like to tackle a

project like

that? If so I would set up a group for you to handle the technical
conversations. And I would be happy ti take care of any overhead

for the

list. Hopefully this would add another option to our

members????????????

Thanks,
bill
List Mom

Tim,

Here is the shameless plug for my software.

Lathe Quick Code V2.5 $75.00

Demo download on web site.

Programs in Diameter.
Programs in Inch or Metric systems.

Material speeds and feeds for the operation selected.
Select thread sizes, drill sizes, tap sizes from combo list boxes.

Enter size dimensions and parameters into the text boxes, press OK
and the G-Code appears!

The threading features are the best of any CAD/CAM software on the
market.

Programs Fanuc 6T and OT G76 thread cycles or multiple lines in G33.
Calculates 60 degree OD/ID thread depth given the thread major and
pitch. Metric thread sizes are calculated in Inches. If the program
settings are in Metric, then Inch thread sizes are calculated in
metric.

Program multi-lead thread on taper with offset plunge cutting.
Pick thread size from listing - or add your own into the user text
file.
Pipe threading sizes.

Simple outside grooving.

Center drilling to correct depth by drill angle or center drill size.

Deep drilling with G83 or multiple lines in G01

Ream operation.

Tap Operation.

I purposely did not want include single point turning, besides of the
complexity involved, and because there are so many CAD/CAM systems
out there that can handle this with ease.

Wayne




--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., "Tim Goldstein" <timg@k...> wrote:

Wayne,

Please do give us the shameless plug. It is considered acceptable

for

your to explain what you have, give a price, and answer questions

about

it. You just have to conduct actual transactions off the list.

Tim
[Denver CO]

-----Original Message-----
Bill,

Haas resently paid Hurco some big bucks in a patent law

settlement to

use conversational programming on their controls :~) Seems Hurco

has

some patents on the machine side of conversational programming.
There a few PC based conversational programs out there. I will

not

shamlessly plug my conversational lathe software. Contact me

offlist

if you what to learn more about it.

Wayne

As long as shameless plugs are in order, have a look at Axis Wizard, under
Belfab URL, in the tagline. Probably doesn't do quite as much in threading
mode as Wayne's, but it does do threads as inch/metric, inside/outside,
straight/taper, and all common turning, grooving etc, plus has a wide
variety of milling routines.



At 06:46 AM 11/5/02 -0000, you wrote:

Tim,

Here is the shameless plug for my software.

Lathe Quick Code V2.5 $75.00

Demo download on web site.

Programs in Diameter.
Programs in Inch or Metric systems.

Material speeds and feeds for the operation selected.
Select thread sizes, drill sizes, tap sizes from combo list boxes.

Enter size dimensions and parameters into the text boxes, press OK
and the G-Code appears!

The threading features are the best of any CAD/CAM software on the
market.

Programs Fanuc 6T and OT G76 thread cycles or multiple lines in G33.
Calculates 60 degree OD/ID thread depth given the thread major and
pitch. Metric thread sizes are calculated in Inches. If the program
settings are in Metric, then Inch thread sizes are calculated in
metric.

Program multi-lead thread on taper with offset plunge cutting.
Pick thread size from listing - or add your own into the user text
file.
Pipe threading sizes.

Simple outside grooving.

Center drilling to correct depth by drill angle or center drill size.

Deep drilling with G83 or multiple lines in G01

Ream operation.

Tap Operation.

I purposely did not want include single point turning, besides of the
complexity involved, and because there are so many CAD/CAM systems
out there that can handle this with ease.

Wayne




--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., "Tim Goldstein" <timg@k...> wrote:

Wayne,

Please do give us the shameless plug. It is considered acceptable

for

your to explain what you have, give a price, and answer questions

about

it. You just have to conduct actual transactions off the list.

Tim
[Denver CO]

-----Original Message-----
Bill,

Haas resently paid Hurco some big bucks in a patent law

settlement to

use conversational programming on their controls :~) Seems Hurco

has

some patents on the machine side of conversational programming.
There a few PC based conversational programs out there. I will

not

shamlessly plug my conversational lathe software. Contact me

offlist

if you what to learn more about it.

Wayne

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Doug more details please.........................Give a bit more detail on
how everything is set up and how the machine knows where to do the canned
cycle. There has been very little detail given on these programs. Be our
teacher on this aspect.
thanks
bill

Bill/Group,

What do you mean by conversational CNC?

Conversational CAM where you're prompted for parameters?

Or, conversational CNC controls, where the programming is done at the
machine?

The former is nothing new.

Conversational CNC controls are something else. Two of my controls
are advertised as "conversational". Basically, as I see it, they're
just controls with very powerful canned cycles. The two controls
work slightly differently. One of them gives you a screen full of
possible parameters for you to choose based on which options of the
particular canned cycle you're utilizing. The user is not prompted
for parameter values. The other control gives a similiar screen with
a graphical representation of the canned cycle and prompts the user
for parameter values.

Both controls will dry run the program graphically to verify it.
Neither control checks for out of range values or omission of
required parameters until dry running.

It's the power of the canned cycles that makes these controls
special. They can accomplish in a couple of lines of easily
programmed, understandable and shop-floor-modifiable code what a CAM
system might require 100's of lines using plain vanilla Gcodes.

Example: a part having a rectangular pocket with radiused corners
oriented 30 degrees off the Y axis with peck milling to go to full
pocket depth and finish pass....five lines of code, first line to
load tool and turn spindle on, second line rotate machine axis, third
to position tool at start of pocket, fourth line to mill pocket, last
line M30. How many lines would that take using G00, G01, G02, G03
and how easily could you modify pocket size, corner radius or depth?

Using the conversational controls we do about 98% of our production
part programming while standing in front of the machines without need
for CAM.

Doug



--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., wanliker@a... wrote:

When this list was first started there was quite a lot about

Conversational

CNC, but nothing since, for a long time.

Would someone undertake explaining to me and the list, what, and

why

Conversational CNC is desirable, its advantages and disadvantages.

Also would any of the programmers on the list like to tackle a

project like

that? If so I would set up a group for you to handle the technical
conversations. And I would be happy ti take care of any overhead

for the

list. Hopefully this would add another option to our

members????????????

Thanks,
bill
List Mom

Hi Rick,

Could you possibly describe some of the menu interactions? I like to
run MDI commands, and with logging on, I get a program I can run again.

I was thinking about adding a menu for arcs, and if one uses the 'R'
format of G02/G03, it could be relatively simple! And adding menus for
drill cycles would be a snap as well. Another "menu" I've been wanting
is for milling a simple rectangle. Should be easy.

My MDI has an eight level "history", so a simple rectangle becomes
mostly "up keys", and modifying an axis offset. I like it!

These thoughts may not be what others are thinking of for
"Conversational CNC" (I've never really seen it), so I'd like more
ideas!

Alan KM6VV


dodge1320 wrote:

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., Alan Marconett KM6VV <KM6VV@a...> wrote:

Could you possibly describe some of the menu interactions? >

Hi Alan. The neat thing with a conversational program is that you do
it at the machine. No need to draw cad or cam files, just answer
questions. Ex:Press-Pocket mill-x1,y1-x2,y2-z rapid, z,end-ips-
cutter,left or right(for inside or outside of line)
It would also have conrad(radius of corners)roughing pass and finish
pass& by how much...
Drill-x,y-z rapid-z start-z end-#pecks
Bolt circle-x,y center-# holes-Start(degrees)-z rapid-z,start-z,end-#
pecks
There were a lot more, but I think you get the idea.
Then you would do a trial run,that disabled the z.(found those +-
problems pretty quick!)
It sounds kind of weird trying to write it down, but it was really
quick to do. I do remember one drawback . It did not ramp up to
speed. (broken cutters)
There website leaves a LOT to be desired...
www.southwesternindustries.com
Somewhere cold and wet in Michigan......Rick

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the ideas!

I already have a routine for the "canned" drill cycles, so all that
needs to be added for that is a small screen (panel) with the Z, R, P
and Q parameters. And I'm thinking that a pocket (at least a horizontal
transverse) would be similar to the digitizing "scans" I do.

I looked at the URL, but didn't see any for conversational controller
software.

Alan KM6VV
(dry on the CA coast)


dodge1320 wrote: