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Re: CPNC and Patents

Ron Ginger
 

I have read the notes about patent issues and am now concerned. I know
there are a few cases of crazy patents being taken seriously- like
Amazon.com patenting the use of cookies.

I know this group is not a source of real legal advice, but are we at
any risk if we start a public project to do a conversational program? Is
there any company doing a conversational program and not paying
royalties?

ron


Re: Grizzly products

James Cullins
 

Larry
I am actually building the PCB mill a lot like you suggested.
The mini was for machining small parts.
In fact you are the one who got me started. I'm on the PIC list as well.
I am waiting for the motors and linear bearings to come in.
Thanks Larry
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Edington <larrye@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Grizzly products


I've got the mini mill and think it's great. Easy enough to CNC.

I also do a lot of PC board routing. But I wouldn't use a mini mill for
that. Not enough work area.

A better option for PC boards would be a simple 3 axis router made with
MDF,
bronze bushings, shafting and lead screws. You could even make it with
drawer slides.

If you do use a mill, you'll need either a sheet of MDF or a sheet of
aluminum to use for the PC board
work surface. Double sided tape works but the best option is a vacuum hold
down table made from two sheets of MDF.

Hook up a shop vac and the blank will be held down firmly and flat.

Larry E.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Cullins [mailto:jcullins@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 7:35 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Grizzly products


What does the list think of the Grizzly
G4031 mini lath ?


G8689 mini mill?


Are these machines adaptable to CNC control?
This is for a beginner I want to learn how to do my own
machine work ( hobby ). It seams like every project I get involved
with I need to go to someone else to machine something or cut the
holes for mounting parts.
I am building a small mill for PCBs.
Thanks
Jim Cullins.


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Re: Grizzly products

Larry Edington
 

I've got the mini mill and think it's great. Easy enough to CNC.

I also do a lot of PC board routing. But I wouldn't use a mini mill for
that. Not enough work area.

A better option for PC boards would be a simple 3 axis router made with MDF,
bronze bushings, shafting and lead screws. You could even make it with
drawer slides.

If you do use a mill, you'll need either a sheet of MDF or a sheet of
aluminum to use for the PC board
work surface. Double sided tape works but the best option is a vacuum hold
down table made from two sheets of MDF.

Hook up a shop vac and the blank will be held down firmly and flat.

Larry E.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Cullins [mailto:jcullins@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 7:35 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Grizzly products


What does the list think of the Grizzly
G4031 mini lath ?


G8689 mini mill?


Are these machines adaptable to CNC control?
This is for a beginner I want to learn how to do my own
machine work ( hobby ). It seams like every project I get involved
with I need to go to someone else to machine something or cut the
holes for mounting parts.
I am building a small mill for PCBs.
Thanks
Jim Cullins.


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NAMES pictures and info posted

Fred Smith
 

We have posted updated info and screen shots about the new Vector Surfacing
and some pictures and scans from the NAMES Expo.

Check out the link on our special listserve members page at:




Best Regards,

Fred Smith
IMService

imserv@...
Phone: 248-486-3600 or 800-386-1670
Fax:248-486-3698


Grizzly products

James Cullins
 

What does the list think of the Grizzly
G4031 mini lath ?


G8689 mini mill?


Are these machines adaptable to CNC control?
This is for a beginner I want to learn how to do my own
machine work ( hobby ). It seams like every project I get involved
with I need to go to someone else to machine something or cut the
holes for mounting parts.
I am building a small mill for PCBs.
Thanks
Jim Cullins.


Some pictures of a retrofit

Rich
 

Group,

I was talking to a manufacture of a CNC controller and they invited me
to come to their shop and look at a HF mill that had been retrofit.
This weekend I was trying to figure out how the free web storage space,
from my provider, worked . Here are some pictures I took with my Sony
Camera: . Their setup looks
fairly simple. So much so I think will try to retrofit rather than buy
one of the small CNC mills. Perhaps, someone else on the list will find
the pictures helpful.

Rich


Re: PROJECTS STILL ON THE BURNER?

 

Keep me updated I would be intrested in the 500 & 1000 lpi
encoders......


Jeff

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@..., "james owens" <wotisname@l...>
wrote:

>
> EMC stepper system with encoder feedback.
> CNC Pro break out board.
> pre-configured Linux box.
> lower cost STG replacement card.
> group purchase of linear encoder gratings.
We are still waiting for USDigital to anounce the release of
encoder gratings in the 500 and 1000 lines per inch. As far as I know
they will come back to me on this and I'll post as soon as I have it.


Terry




http://freesoftware.mechanical-engineer.webjump.com

Rich
 

I copied the following from alt.machines.cnc:


"The website links
to vendor web-sites offering free 2D/3D CAD, CAD/CAM, FEA, Thermal
Analysis S/W and other mechanical utility programs for downloading. The
site does not distribute any software, but describes the applications
(with screen-shots) and where they can be downloaded from.
Karl"

Most are demos with save disabled but it a nice list of links anyway.

Rich


Re: DIY CMM ??

 

I am also building a DRO setup(for my & X 10 mini lathe). I am
wondering if anyone has programed Tom's DRO in visual basic. I am not
even sure if it is possable in VB. I would like to make a GUI spcific
to my lathe. Settings for the toolpost angle, postion for the saddle
and crosslides. The ability to enter the as cut size, desired
size....etc.

Any help out there?

Thanks Jeff

I'm also in the planning stages of building a 4-axis DRO on
my 3-in-1
using the board kit from Camtronics, so if I could some how
use the
same computer and
modified software that would be great. Am I asking for too
much ?



Thanks,
Mike Mueller
Antioch, CA


Re: Digest Number 482

David Forsyth
 

On 7 May 00 at 7:05, CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@... wrote masterfully:

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:22:13 EDT
From: wanliker@...
Subject: Re: Conversational Programming and NAMES- very long!


In a message dated 5/3/0 3:52:58 PM, ginger@...
writes:

<< QUESTION
Should we carry on this discussion here on this list or start a new
list devoted to CPNC? Remember, this is going to need to get into a
lot of detail if we are going to really develop a good package, and
we are going to have to exchange large files and screen shots.
>>

I personally would like to see it stay on this list. I liked what I
saw of your program while at NAMES, I will be home by the end of
this week, and hope to get some good time in the shop playing with
the CPNP program then. I lucked into some ball end mills, so have
figured out what I need to do to the Sherline Mill for my first
conversion. bill
yes, stay here
I'm in for some programming too, I'm working now in Delphi, but I'll
be downloading the tcl stuff and will learn it for the purposes
if needed.... I'll be building a small mill in the next six months so
will have a testbed too. That will mainly run Linux/EMC, but the
machine will have removable harddrives so I can swap it to Win95 if
needed.

I have an option on some small servo motors with encoders. just two
though. is it possible to run EMC with 2 servos and one stepper?



steam and wind
--
David Forsyth
Keeper of the listserver for South African Railways fans _|_ His
Part time gricer, kiter, photographer, father etc etc | Way
| Up


Re: PROJECTS STILL ON THE BURNER?

james owens
 

> EMC stepper system with encoder feedback.
> CNC Pro break out board.
> pre-configured Linux box.
> lower cost STG replacement card.
> group purchase of linear encoder gratings.
We are still waiting for USDigital to anounce the release of encoder gratings in the 500 and 1000 lines per inch. As far as I know they will come back to me on this and I'll post as soon as I have it.

Terry


Electric brakes

Brian Fairey
 

What is Delevan the electro mechanical clutch and brake manufacturer now
called.
Brian.


Re: CAD VS Drafting Table Re: Names

Jon Anderson
 

wbbengtsson@... writes:

Assuming equal proficiency with a drawing board and a CAD system, is
there any type of drawing that is suited to the manual process, as
opposed to the CAD process?
When trying to solve a fairly complex mechanical problem, the old
fashioned "scribbling on a napkin" is still about the best way to
quickly visusalize general concepts. Soon as I think I have something
worthwhile though, I start in with CAD. Though I usually scribble on a
notepad, I've seen designers do this at the drawing board.
The direct link between brain/pencil/paper offers speed for conceptual
visualization that will not be equaled by CAD until neural implants
become viable.

Jon


Interesting site

Greg Nuspel
 

Just found this it maybe old news but it might be interesting to some



Greg Nuspel

Home Page
Clubs Page


Re: Conversational Programming and NAMES- very long!

 

In a message dated 5/3/0 3:52:58 PM, ginger@... writes:

<< QUESTION
Should we carry on this discussion here on this list or start a new
list devoted to CPNC? Remember, this is going to need to get into a lot
of detail if we are going to really develop a good package, and we are
going to have to exchange large files and screen shots.
>>

I personally would like to see it stay on this list. I liked what I saw of
your program while at NAMES, I will be home by the end of this week, and
hope to get some good time in the shop playing with the CPNP program then. I
lucked into some ball end mills, so have figured out what I need to do to the
Sherline Mill for my first conversion.
bill


Re: Conversational Programming

Ray Henry
 

Matt

Thanks for the CPNC patent research and info.

Ray

-see this for details-

Message: 3 Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Digest Number 481
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 03:35:43 -0400


Re: DIY CMM ??

Ray Henry
 

Peter

Sounds like a job for the second generation babyhex.

Ray

Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:58:42 EDT
From: ptengin@...
Subject: Re: DIY CMM ??

In a message dated 05/05/2000 7:33:29 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
mmueller@... writes:

<< So has anyone built one that would be fairly accurate in the .001"
to .0005" range.
My parts are normally in the envelope of no bigger than 18" x 18" x
18". >>

Ironically, Your CMM and a gantry mill big enough to do a 18 inch cube would
have to be very massive and rigid to hold .0005". I think a more realistic
range would be +- .002. I have tried to probe on a 3 axis DRO equipped
Bridgeport. Not really good for more than a few dozen hits. Talk about
cranking. The neatest system I've used is a Renishaw probe used as a joy
stick. By grabbing the probe, one drags the stylus over the part. The cnc
floats the gantry over the part as though you were moving a manual machine.
Of course, it is recording position info as you go. If this system could be
duplicated in a lower (much lower) cost version, you could build a medium
duty gantry mill / CMM combo machine. Kill two birds with one stone.

Just a thought.

Peter
THRD, Inc.


Re: PROJECTS STILL ON THE BURNER?

Dan Falck
 

On Sat, 06 May 2000, you wrote:


EMC stepper system with encoder feedback.
This one is done. The code is there. I haven't been able to get the whole
thing set up on one of my machines, but have hooked up the encoders from my
servo lite system to the card and run the EMC software with the motor power
off. It does seem to work. Now, I need to figure out how to keep the Servo
Lite electronics and the DRO card from interfering with each other. What I
want in the end is a DRO screen along with a CNC.

CNC Pro break out board.
pre-configured Linux box.
Several members of this list have offered to do this. Ray is
loading up a box for me now. Matt will do it and Dan Mauch. They are out
there if you really want them.

lower cost STG replacement card.
group purchase of linear encoder gratings.
etc.,
Thanks,
Dan


Re: MaxNC problems

Andrew Werby
 

Message: 11
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:54:30 -0000
From: mplunkett@...
Subject: MAXNC parallel port set up, HELP!

Hello all:

I've got a MaxNC 15 that was upgraded to the SRV-S.

It has the encoders on the end of the bigger steppermotors and the
limit switches on each axis.

I had the thing running for a short while on a very simple program to
basically spot face .005" deep into aluminum at 5 locations, and we
only need to do this maybe 5 times a day. This is all this machine
will ever do.

Then the thing stopped, checked it out and the main chip on the X-Y
LPT card was kinda melted.

MaxNC graciously replaced the card, but now I cannot get the thing to
work.

The computer was changed since it was felt that the old P90 was much
too slow, now its like a 400 or something. It has an AMI BIOS VERSION
1.00.02.BS0, and this is the one that has an integral LPT1 built into
the motherboard, however its been disabled so the two MaxNC LPT cards
are used to drive the minimill.
[You are running in straight DOS, not under a Windows dos prompt? While
Windows appears to run DOS, it doesn't give you control over the parallel
ports.]

The power box was back of the mill was sent back into MaxNC for them
to look at and they sent it back saying it was fixed.

I'm still getting "servo overload" when I push the "h" key to home it.

Further, turning the lead screws by hand doesn't update the DRO on
the PC screen.
[It sounds like one or more of the Darlington transistors in the control
box may have fried, possibly when the parallel port melted down. These
PIC-120's are available at Radio Shack. I find it helps to get Otto on the
phone when you're standing next to the machine, then have him talk you
through the diagnostic; holding the phone up to the motors, if necessary.
One thing to try- switch the parallel port cables from the z-a card to the
x-y card; this should tell you whether you've got a parallel port problem
or a bad control card.]


Reading all the messages on the board here, seems like you're all
doing pretty well, any and all comments, help would be really
appreciated, this is causing me a lot of grief out in the shop.

Thanks,

Mark
[I hope this helped, but if not- talk to Otto- he's the only one who really
understands these things.]
Andrew Werby - United Artworks
Sculpture, Jewelry, and Other Art Stuff


Re: look at date

Tim Barnard
 

Sorry about that---I guess I caught the "I love you but hate the year virus"


TAB

-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Barger [mailto:hightechsystems@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:27 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] look at date




Tim Barnard:

Hi Tim what's up with your date? Are you talking to us from the future?

Derek

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