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Re: 1850 oz-in NEMA 42 motors; have data sheets now

 

In a message dated 3/9/00 10:08:07 PM Mountain Standard Time,
multi-volti@... writes:

<< I have located and am brokering some Sigma new surplus 3-stack NEMA 42
steppers. >>
Please conduct all business, including offer to sell off list in the future.
Thanks,
bill


Re: phase converter

Drew Rogge
 

Rich,

I didn't ask the initial question but would like to thank you
for the dirt simple answer. Does it matter which of the motor
windings the 240 and 3 phase stuff is connected to?

Drew

On Mar 9, 4:45pm, R. Dean wrote:
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] phase converter
From: "R. Dean" <cmsteam@...>

Joe, It is quite simple. Connect your 240VAC across two of the motor
windings. Connect the 3ph load circuit across those two windings and
the third leg. With the 3ph load switched off and the 240 1ph on, pull
the shaft cord to start (which ever direction suits you) then switch
on the 3ph load. Once you get that going we can tell you how to add a
dirt simple self start circuit. Much safer. Rich Dean

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(o)-(o)
-----ooO---(_)---Ooo--------------------------
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-- End of excerpt from R. Dean


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Re: phase converter

 

No, pick any two. If the 3 phase motor on your tool runs in reverse,
swap any two wires going to the motor.

------------&#92;---------------------
&#92;
220 3 ph ________________ 3 phase
motor to tool motor
/
-------------/--------------------


From: Drew Rogge <drew@...>

Rich,

I didn't ask the initial question but would like to thank you
for the dirt simple answer. Does it matter which of the motor
windings the 240 and 3 phase stuff is connected to?

Drew

On Mar 9, 4:45pm, R. Dean wrote:
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] phase converter
From: "R. Dean" <cmsteam@...>

Joe, It is quite simple. Connect your 240VAC across two of the motor
windings. Connect the 3ph load circuit across those two windings and
the third leg. With the 3ph load switched off and the 240 1ph on, pull
the shaft cord to start (which ever direction suits you) then switch
on the 3ph load. Once you get that going we can tell you how to add a
dirt simple self start circuit. Much safer. Rich Dean

/////
(o)-(o)
-----ooO---(_)---Ooo--------------------------
Rich Dean

-- End of excerpt from R. Dean


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Re: DRO ENCODER TOOL

Terry May
 

Tom,
I did remove the clip first by using one of those "dental pick"
type tools to lift up on the internal tabs until I could
get underneath it with a pair of long needle nose pliers. On my
motors there is a very shallow groove on the shaft. It's above the
ring, but I was concerned the tabs would lock into that groove if I
left it on.
Terry

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@..., Mike Gann <mikegann@h...> wrote:

Thanks James,

I knew about US Digital. I was hoping this was something
else, as I was looking for a little higher resolution
linear encoders. (cheap)

Thanks

Mike




james owens wrote:

From: "james owens" <wotisname@...>

Hi Mike,

The place to buy linear strip and encoders is usdigital.com they
also do rotary encoders which are necessary should you wish to go
over 360 in quarture.

Regards,

Terry.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gann
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: DRO ENCODER TOOL

From: Mike Gann <mikegann@...>

Tom -

What was the resolution of your linear encoders and where
did you buy them?

thanks

Mike

"SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" wrote:
>
> From: "SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" <tbsmith@...>
>
> Terry,
>
> The pictures are very useful, thanks! And don't think you
are beating this
> to death. All this discussion has saved me (and others, I'm
sure) a fair
> amount of cash. I just finished installing DRO on my mill
using linear
> encoders for $150.00. Now with the tips from you, Art
> and others, I can do the same for my lathe for a tenth that
cost.
>
> One more question...did you remove the retaining clip before
using your
> tool?
>
> Tom
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:26:49 -0000
> From: "Terry May" <tmay@...>
> Subject: DRO ENCODER TOOL
>
> At the risk of beating this subject to death, I made the
wedge tools
> I discussed earlier to remove the encoder disc from the
Goldmine
> electronics servo motors. The tool worked very well removing
the
> encoder and not damaging the disc.
>
> I put a couple of pictures of the wedges and the usage into
the RCM
> dropbox today (DRO_Tool.jpg, etc.) since I don't have my own
web
> site. Hope they are useful to someone.
> Terry May
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Re: Servo Dynamics Amps web page

George Fouse
 

Hi John,
Just tried it ... No DNS problems and the server responded fast.
Suspect a transient DNS problem somewhere, now resolved.
George

John Ross wrote:


From: John Ross <johnr@...>

I'm getting a "cannot find server" error for the Servo Dynamics web page.
Has anyone else had problems or is it just me.

John Ross
I-Link Worldwide
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Re: phase converter

R. Dean
 

Joe, It is quite simple. Connect your 240VAC across two of the motor
windings. Connect the 3ph load circuit across those two windings and
the third leg. With the 3ph load switched off and the 240 1ph on, pull
the shaft cord to start (which ever direction suits you) then switch
on the 3ph load. Once you get that going we can tell you how to add a
dirt simple self start circuit. Much safer. Rich Dean


Joe Vicars wrote:

From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

Can someone tell me exactly how to make a "pull start" phase
converter from a 3 phase motor? I am going to try it this weekend and
need some tips. I have a Baldor 3/4 3Ph that I want to drive a Rockwell
belt sander with.
Please dumb it down, I have zero electrical aptitude.
Thanks.

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/////
(o)-(o)
-----ooO---(_)---Ooo--------------------------
Rich Dean


Servo Dynamics Amps web page

John Ross
 

I'm getting a "cannot find server" error for the Servo Dynamics web page.
Has anyone else had problems or is it just me.

John Ross
I-Link Worldwide


From: "Matt Shaver" <mshaver@...>
<SNIP>

<SNIP>


Re: DRO ENCODER TOOL

Mike Gann
 

Thanks James,

I knew about US Digital. I was hoping this was something
else, as I was looking for a little higher resolution
linear encoders. (cheap)

Thanks

Mike




james owens wrote:


From: "james owens" <wotisname@...>

Hi Mike,

The place to buy linear strip and encoders is usdigital.com they also do rotary encoders which are necessary should you wish to go over 360 in quarture.

Regards,

Terry.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gann
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: DRO ENCODER TOOL

From: Mike Gann <mikegann@...>

Tom -

What was the resolution of your linear encoders and where
did you buy them?

thanks

Mike

"SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" wrote:
>
> From: "SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" <tbsmith@...>
>
> Terry,
>
> The pictures are very useful, thanks! And don't think you are beating this
> to death. All this discussion has saved me (and others, I'm sure) a fair
> amount of cash. I just finished installing DRO on my mill using linear
> encoders for $150.00. Now with the tips from you, Art
> and others, I can do the same for my lathe for a tenth that cost.
>
> One more question...did you remove the retaining clip before using your
> tool?
>
> Tom
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:26:49 -0000
> From: "Terry May" <tmay@...>
> Subject: DRO ENCODER TOOL
>
> At the risk of beating this subject to death, I made the wedge tools
> I discussed earlier to remove the encoder disc from the Goldmine
> electronics servo motors. The tool worked very well removing the
> encoder and not damaging the disc.
>
> I put a couple of pictures of the wedges and the usage into the RCM
> dropbox today (DRO_Tool.jpg, etc.) since I don't have my own web
> site. Hope they are useful to someone.
> Terry May
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
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phase converter

 

Can someone tell me exactly how to make a "pull start" phase
converter from a 3 phase motor? I am going to try it this weekend and
need some tips. I have a Baldor 3/4 3Ph that I want to drive a Rockwell
belt sander with.
Please dumb it down, I have zero electrical aptitude.
Thanks.


Re: phase converter

 

<A href=">Phase Converters</A>

Sorry! I did summin wrong! HERE it is!


Re: phase converter

 

For you folks pondering 3-phase converters, I give you here a link to an
article by a machinist/electrical-engineer-wizard who is a member of and
past-president of our local Home Metal[workers'] Shop Club. It is full of
accurate and potentially-useful information. In a previous life, I built
pipe-organs, mostly wood-working, and they generally used 3-phase blowers,
sometimes powered off a single-phase line, using a capacitor-only for the
third phase. All the machinery was 3-phase. So, I kinda got to know a
little about that. In a word: If it is POSSIBLE to do it with a 3-phase
motor, DO IT! When we moved here in '85, with the intent I'd build a "home
shop" with a 1340 lathe and "Bridgeport", plus full woodworking machinery
(yes, a bit ambitious for a home-shop, but, well, it gets used rather
continuously, making pocket-change!) I made sure the local power-company
would hook me up to 3-phase "off the pole", and, to make a long story short,
After a payment of $1550 to enlarge the transformers on that pole, I am the
only "residence" on the block with 3-ph., and I have recently heard they will
now NOT supply 3-ph. for any price to a residence. Guess if iron-lungs run
only on 3-phase, you have to buy funeral insurance... IF the power-company
will supply you with 3-phase, even for $2000, DO it!


Re: Source for linear encoders?

 

In response to the person looking for cheap linear encoders, US
digital sells linear strip at $2/inch ($14 minimum) which works with
$30 or so HP reader heads. The resolution is 360 cycles per inch,
which works out to 1440 counts/inch.

That does meet your goal of 'better than 1000', but it's not better by
a nice round number. Still for many hobby applications it is far better
than nothing.

Chris

--
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Instrument Maker, Horn Player & Engineer
30 Griswold Street, Cambridge, MA 02138

(617) 492-3358 home/shop


Re: phase converter

 

first you have to have a capacitor phase convertor---you hook it up and use
the motor windings to smooth out the generated phase-----thats the way ive
done it--good luck--if you find another way please let me know---mem


Re: DRO ENCODER TOOL

Mike Gann
 

Tom -

What was the resolution of your linear encoders and where
did you buy them?

thanks

Mike


"SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" wrote:


From: "SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" <tbsmith@...>

Terry,

The pictures are very useful, thanks! And don't think you are beating this
to death. All this discussion has saved me (and others, I'm sure) a fair
amount of cash. I just finished installing DRO on my mill using linear
encoders for $150.00. Now with the tips from you, Art
and others, I can do the same for my lathe for a tenth that cost.

One more question...did you remove the retaining clip before using your
tool?

Tom

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:26:49 -0000
From: "Terry May" <tmay@...>
Subject: DRO ENCODER TOOL

At the risk of beating this subject to death, I made the wedge tools
I discussed earlier to remove the encoder disc from the Goldmine
electronics servo motors. The tool worked very well removing the
encoder and not damaging the disc.

I put a couple of pictures of the wedges and the usage into the RCM
dropbox today (DRO_Tool.jpg, etc.) since I don't have my own web
site. Hope they are useful to someone.
Terry May
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Re: DRO ENCODER TOOL

SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)
 

Terry,

The pictures are very useful, thanks! And don't think you are beating this
to death. All this discussion has saved me (and others, I'm sure) a fair
amount of cash. I just finished installing DRO on my mill using linear
encoders for $150.00. Now with the tips from you, Art
and others, I can do the same for my lathe for a tenth that cost.

One more question...did you remove the retaining clip before using your
tool?

Tom


Message: 10
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:26:49 -0000
From: "Terry May" <tmay@...>
Subject: DRO ENCODER TOOL

At the risk of beating this subject to death, I made the wedge tools
I discussed earlier to remove the encoder disc from the Goldmine
electronics servo motors. The tool worked very well removing the
encoder and not damaging the disc.

I put a couple of pictures of the wedges and the usage into the RCM
dropbox today (DRO_Tool.jpg, etc.) since I don't have my own web
site. Hope they are useful to someone.
Terry May
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


RFQ, Linux/EMC system

Jon Anderson
 

I've just taken a major step towards a real servo CNC system. I scored
an industrial robot at a price I couldn't pass up (free).
There is no info on the servo motors that I can see, but the power
supply cabinet has two very nice Yaskawa servo amps with a really nice
power supply setup. I'm thinking of trying to off the robot itself and
use those funds to buy a couple servo motors and encoders to suit my
Bridgeport. Goal is to just CNC XY for now. However, I really don't have
time to mess with Linux/EMC right at the moment.

Several folks here have floated the idea of building a complete system.
I'd like to request quotes from those interested and qualified, to build
me a computer complete with Linux, RT, and EMC, setup and verified as
operational. I would supply the STG card, but would ship it to you for
testing. This would be something along the lines of a P166/200, CD, 1.44
floppy, couple gig HD. I've got a monitor, keyboard,
and would buy whatever mouse or trackball was needed. Given the
environment, I think I'd prefer a trackball if drivers are available.
I'm not ready to do this just yet, trying to piece together what it's
all going to cost first.

Please respond privately to mailto:jon@...

Thank you,

Jon


Source for linear encoders?

 

Where is a cheap source for good linear encoders?
I'd like to have resolution better than 10000 / inch.

Elliot Burke


Re: Power Feed, something different,

 

Hello Terry,

Welcome to the ranks of a participating member of this list!!

I think you will find a tremendous amount of help and support here and will
never find that the list is short of opinions or suggestions. It sounds as
if you are feeling a little overwhelmed by this whole CNC thing. If there
are specific areas that are causing you problems just post it to the list
and we will all try to get you through them. This post seems a little vague
on the area we can provide assistance with.

Regarding the encoder wheel on the shaft problem, I have enjoyed the thread
and found it interesting. You have to understand that what we are trying to
remove is a disc 2" in diameter that is about .005" thick and has 1000 slots
near the outer circumference. If you just look at them crooked you can bend
the slots or warp the disk. To make it harder they are bonded to the shaft
with a epoxy like substance.

Welcome aboard,


Tim
[Denver, CO]

timg@... <mailto:timg@...>


P.S. you might want to look over my website as it chronicles some of my CNC
adventure. Also check out Camtronics at and
read Dan's Secrets of CNC.

From: "james owens" <wotisname@...>

wotisname@...

This is my first attempt at a reply to a message posted on a
discussion group/news group as I have only just discovered the same.

I am in the process of converting my workshop and find it very
frustrating getting it all to together before it will all work
and machining can be controlled by computer. The machine hardware
must be designed and built, then the electronics, followed by the
hook-ups and finally the software has to be found, learnt and
installed. It is a great deal to take in from scratch especially
as obtaining the information is sometimes harder than pulling
ones own teeth.

My point is that it was nice to have a suggestion that could
utilize the hardware and get the system up and running before
frustratision sets in or the cash runs out and the whole thing is
put on hold with bit and pieces all over the shop.

I could rant on about the simple process of removing an object
from a shaft but I think enough has been said on this subject.

Regards,

Terry.


Power Feed.

 

The nice thing about starting the CAM route by setting up manual power feed
first, is that you can do only one axis at a time. The drivers require a
step signal, and a direction signal to operate the steppers, the step signal
can be a simple 555 oscillator circuit, the direction is simply a voltage or
lack of same to determine direction. So you would have one switch for
direction, one potentiometer for speed, When you get read to convert to CAM,
these could easily be used for manual tramming, and use the CAM program for
the machine. This way you can use your machine for conventional milling
while you are converting it
I gave Camtronics URL earlier, I have no interest in the business.
However I would like to also point out that he does have steppers, and mounts
complete with bearings and connector for $33 a set. They are some very nice
looking units. He also has smaller drivers for the steppers available at the
same site, that would be perfect for the Sherline owners. And the price is
good. If you are not interested in CAM operation, then stop and have power
feed on any axis, stop the long cranking sessions.
Thoughts,
bill


Re: Step motor current

Ron Ginger
 

Thanks for the notes. I guess the 'hand hold' test is not a good measure
of motor heat. Must be why measuring instruments are used :-)

My driver module has a pin that controls current and a table of R values
to set. I tried lowering the current to 3A, and they still worked fine,
then I lowered it to its lowest possible value- 1.5A I think, and the
motors still runs just fine, and barey get warm after 15 minutes of
operation. Using Maxnc I can drive them at 10" per minute without
loosing steps- plenty fast for a mini mill with a travel of only about 8
inches.

On the suggestion of manual feed, I had planned to do that as well. Even
if used just to setup the table it seems easier than needing software
and comand keys. I plan to just add a simple switchbox with a pot and
push button on each axis.

Tonight I should try to make my first real part on the mini.

ron