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Re: MotionMaster Gantry Router

D.F.S.
 


From: John Ross <johnr@...>

Wow as of this morning it looks like I'm the new owner of one beast of a
gantry router. 114" x 60" bed and 7,000 Lb. The Fadal controller is burned
up along with the z axis motors. Looks like a candidate for a PC/EMC
conversion. Does anyone know what kind of motors MotionMaster uses? I
should probably ding one out of the gantry and look for a label or
something. Now I just need to convince the wife I need to build a bigger
shop.
Hey, That thing should be able to build the shop for itself ;-).

The way I see it, the physical machine, the lead screws or other linear motion
mechanism is the hard part.

Don't sweat the motors or even encoders much, even if you have to replace them
all, you are well on your way to a killer machine, IMHO.

Marc


Larken amps

Harrison, Doug
 

I have been studying the Larken website and am interested in their stepper
drivers. They have a model that is rated for 4-8 amps at 50V and sells for
$199. It has quarter stepping, idle cutback and (supposedly) easily
replaceable FET's. Sounds pretty good. Has anyone used these, and if so,
what's your opinion? Having been burned with Microkinetics, I tend to be
careful these days.

My other concern is whether these amps will drive the OEM motors on a
Bridgeport. The L/R system of the old BOSS-5 was set up at about 90V and
8A. Has anyone tried running the Bridgeport step motors at 50V or less?

Doug Harrison


MotionMaster Gantry Router

John Ross
 

Wow as of this morning it looks like I'm the new owner of one beast of a
gantry router. 114" x 60" bed and 7,000 Lb. The Fadal controller is burned
up along with the z axis motors. Looks like a candidate for a PC/EMC
conversion. Does anyone know what kind of motors MotionMaster uses? I
should probably ding one out of the gantry and look for a label or
something. Now I just need to convince the wife I need to build a bigger
shop.

John Ross


EMC homing

 

I feel embarased about this one...

I cannot get EMC to home an axis to zero?? I select the axis
and hit the "home" key...IT just takes off and incriments
forever (till I hit abort). Did I forget something?

dave


Re: Where to buy wiring stuff?

 

Try Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com)

Jeff


Re: Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

Darrell
 

I remember the instructions had a value in amps that was the limit before
you needed heat sinks. I think heat sinks were only required above 2 amps.
I am working with Bridgeport CNCs and they have about 80 volt power supplies
and the motors draw 8 amps.
Darrell

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>; <dgehlsen@...>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Austrailian bipolar driver Kits


From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

Any idea what it's good for? 1.5 A per phase?


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Re: Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

 

Any idea what it's good for? 1.5 A per phase?


Re: Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

 

Try "TO-218". Duh...


Re: Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

 

In a message dated 06-March-00 15:40:28 Central Standard Time,
jvicars@... writes:

<< From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

Any idea what it's good for? 1.5 A per phase? >>

Not sure of the "complete question", so, here's at least a "partial answer":
See the ST L298 "dual full-bridge driver" which is a "multiwatt" package
(kinda like a wide t0-218 with 15 leads).


Re: Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

Darrell
 

Joe,
I bought one of the Oatley single axis boards on the claim of 80+ volts and
10+ amps. When I asked them for specific instructions on how to set things
up for 8 amps using an 80 volt power supply they said it would take major
modifications and offered to take the kit back for a full refund. It looks
like you have to replace all of the MOSSFETS, add heat sinks to everything
that carries any current and the amperage is controlled by resistors (it is
not a chopper driver) so you need some high watt resistors with heat sinks.
For small motors, it looked like an ok board.
Darrell

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>; <diazden@...>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:43 AM
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Austrailian bipolar driver Kits


From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

I bought the K109 two axis driver kit. I am assuming it runs on
step/dir based on the description of the K142 (the two are supposed to
be very similar) I will let everyone know how it goes together. I was
a little skeptical about the 14 amp claim myself and I am wondering what
needs to be heatsink-ed and how much? Just the switching FET's ? I
have zero board building experience so the probability of frying this
board is high I am afraid.
If I send out the circut diagram and component list would that be
worthwhile? Should I get permission from Oatley?

Mariano, is there any way you can get me an email copy of the
article on the Oatley boards you mentioned?


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Re: Version 2.2.* EMC

George Fouse
 

Hi Ian,
1. I'm a little confused ... when the install script makes the directory
emc, I think the only directories it creates in the secondary directory
"emc/plat" is "java", "linux_2_2_13", and "rtlinux_2_0". Did you have
the directory "emc" around from an earlier version? To avoid confusion,
uncompress and untar the download in its own (fresh) directory.

2. "install_rtlinux_base" is the name of the script to install the
required rtlinux modules - was "install_rtl_base" a typo? For our
purposes, we could just use the 5 line script:
/sbin/insmod rtl_time
/sbin/insmod rtl_sched
/sbin/insmod posixio
/sbin/insmod rtl_fifo
/sbin/insmod mbuff
If all your rtlinux demos work ok, then the modules should be
functional.

3. It REALLY sounds as if you aren't getting a success build during
execution of the install script. Did you generate a log file when
running ./install [./install &> logfile]? Scan that, looking
specifically for any errors, undefined references, etc. Also make sure
that the flags in rcslib/etc/rtlinux_2_0.def are compatable with your
kernel and your file structure. for example - did you enable smp on your
kernel build [CFLAGS defines __SMP__ ,which will generate unresolved
references in a non-smp kernel]? And note that the .def file actually
defines the rtlinux include path as "/usr/src/rtlinux-2.0/rtl/include".
You might need to change that to match you directory tree (or modify
your tree with some symlinks). But you really need to scan your install
log - messages fly by on the screen too fast to be useful.

Good luck.
George

Ian Wright wrote:

Hi, George,

I did all this and got no error messages at all, however, I still don't seem
to have a steppermod.o file or a freqmod.o file anywhere on the system ( in
fact, the /plat/linux_2_0 and rtlinux_09J/ lib/ directories only have one
file in each which is the extppt.0 file - the 2.2.13 and 2.0.36 directories
have more but there seem to be a lot missing). I think it must be because I
have the 2.2.14 prepatched kernel or something but I can't seem to find
anywhere to change things to reflect this - apart, that is, from the
'install_rtl_base' file in EMC directory. I canged this to point the insmod
commands at the relevant place for the rtl modules (2.2.14-rtl2.1.pre1/misc/
in this case) but it seemed to make no difference except telling me that
when I tried to run that file, it had an unexpected EOF at line 54 - the
last line of the file that just says 'exit 0' .

So, if the download was OK and it has unzipped with no errors, and I can't
see any Makefiles with pointers to the 2.2.13 kernel which need changing,
what am I to do? {;(

Anyway, I'm off on a trip for a few days so, by the time I get back there
will probably have been some others try this and perhaps they will have
better knowledge than me. Thanks anyway,

Ian

--
Ian W. Wright
Sheffield UK
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Austrailian bipolar driver Kits

 

I bought the K109 two axis driver kit. I am assuming it runs on
step/dir based on the description of the K142 (the two are supposed to
be very similar) I will let everyone know how it goes together. I was
a little skeptical about the 14 amp claim myself and I am wondering what
needs to be heatsink-ed and how much? Just the switching FET's ? I
have zero board building experience so the probability of frying this
board is high I am afraid.
If I send out the circut diagram and component list would that be
worthwhile? Should I get permission from Oatley?

Mariano, is there any way you can get me an email copy of the
article on the Oatley boards you mentioned?


removing encoders from motor shaft

 

I have the same problem Terry described removing delicate glass
encoder wheels from old plotter servo motors. I successfully removed
one that was already broken by gently prying it off with a little
stanley nail puller. It takes a little pressure to break the RTV-type
adhesive, but once you get it going it comes off smooth. It is very
dicey however, the encoders on the ones I have are only .007" thick. I
think there is a better way.
I am going to make a wedge type tool to remove the other encoders,
like a Jacobs taper chuck key. Looks like a little horseshoe with
shallow ramps on both sides.
Good luck.


Homebrew STG card - Electronics Australia

Doug Fortune
 

m.d.c wrote:

From: "m.d.c" <diazden@...>

From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

After five weeks of anticipation, I received my 4 axis bipolar
driver kit from Oatley Electronics in Australia.
The kit is at
yes; I have made about 4 or five of them, I and they are very good
,and I have the original article of the kit, that appeared on
electronics australia magazine their web address is
www.electronicsaustralia.com.au
regards.
mariano.
I just went to Electronics Australia website, and they seem to have
all kinds of projects. Presumably they always need more material
for their magazine.

Perhaps their people will design a board to our I/O specs. A win-win
situation, as we will get a board design and publicity for EMC, and
they will full pages.

If not them, then maybe Nuts & Volts, or Popular Electronics, or ...

Doug


Australian Oatley 14 Amp/axis kit

Doug Fortune
 

From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

After five weeks of anticipation, I received my 4 axis bipolar
driver kit from Oatley Electronics in Australia. This is my first board
kit and I need some help. Has anyone built one of these?

The kit is at
It sounds like you got two of the two-axis per card units. Does that imply
its parallelport to phase output, or Step & Direction?

Mariano "m.d.c" <diazden@...> wrote
yes; I have made about 4 or five of them, I and they are very good


Mariano: Which ones did you get?
: (K142) $45 per axis kit.
or the dual driver
PCB & all on-board components kit: (K109) $40

Their K142 with a 5V to 100V 2 Amp to 14 Amp kit must be
either a typo or a Mother of a setup.

Assuming its the K142 you guys bought, does it take Step & Direction?
Half or Micro stepper? Does it work well with EMC? Dimensions?

Always hungry for details....
Doug


Re: release9j.tgz

Jan
 

Thanks Dan.

Jan,
I just put a copy of release9J.tgz in the dropbox at linuxcnc.org. I will
put a copy of the rtlinux source for 2.2.13 asap too.

Dan


At 06:50 PM 3/5/00 +0100, you wrote:
>From: "Jan" <postmaster@...>
>
>Hello all,
>
>Can anyone point me where I can download the release9J.tgz file, as I
can't find it in the ftp-directory of EMC.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Jan.
>




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Re: release9j.tgz

Dan Falck
 

Jan,
I just put a copy of release9J.tgz in the dropbox at linuxcnc.org. I will
put a copy of the rtlinux source for 2.2.13 asap too.

Dan


At 06:50 PM 3/5/00 +0100, you wrote:
From: "Jan" <postmaster@...>

Hello all,

Can anyone point me where I can download the release9J.tgz file, as I
can't find it in the ftp-directory of EMC.

Thanks in advance.

Jan.


Re: DRO UPDATE

Terry May
 

Art,
Here I am again asking questions... How did you get the encoder
wheel off of the motor shaft? I got the retaining ring off without
destroying the disc but can't seem to get the disc off the shaft. It
appears to be bonded to the aluminum disk underneath it and that acts
like it is a press fit on the shaft. I hesitate to apply too much
force trying to pry it off but am looking for clues.
On the other hand I have a bunch of small plastic pulleys with ball
bearing centers that came out of the plotter that yielded the cable I
plan to use. Since they have an ID enough larger than 5mm that I
think I can bush them to fit the encoder shafts, I plan to use those
to run the cable over, seems like they would be less likely to have
any slippage since HP designed them to be used with the cable. Does
this sound reasonable to anyone, just looking for ideas.
Thanks
Terry


--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@..., "A. G. Eckstein" <axtein@s...>
wrote:
Ward,

Check out Steve Lindsay's site at : .
nyx.net/~slindsay/dro.html

to pick up DRO40; you might also check the 1999 retired files in the
dropbox as I believe they are there also.

Art


At 02:01 PM 03/04/2000 -0800, you wrote:
From: "Ward M." <ward@...>

Where would I find the dro40 and dro40a programs? I'd like to
give them a
try as well.

Ward M.


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Fw: release9j.tgz

Jan
 

Hello all,

Can anyone point me where I can download the release9J.tgz file, as I can't find it in the ftp-directory of EMC.

Thanks in advance.

Jan.


release9j.tgz

Jan
 

Hello all,

Can anyone point me where I can download the release9J.tgz file, as I can't find it in the ftp-directory of EMC.

Thanks in advance.

Jan.