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Re: Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
Hello Charles. I am away from home, so cannot get the right ray tracing...
but : I do plan to have a small counterweight to keep the secondary assembly in line... basically on the outside of the corrector. My C14 is now tubeless, having no tube is really a great improvement Imo. no more tube currents at all ! -- benoit On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, drgenovese@... [C14_EdgeHD] < C14_EdgeHD@...> wrote:
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Re: Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
Hi Benoit- have been a fan for years :-)? I certainly don't doubt your ability to build stuff! But supporting a fairly heavy secondary 200mm back will be a challenge to avoid vibration and maintain alignment. What would the diffraction limited field be at that distance? I too considered putting my corrector at the optimal distance - 1400mm- with a carbon fiber tube but decided against it. Is field curvature the only aberration with the corrector at about prime focus? The field curvature of a C14 is about the same as that of a 6"f/8 refractor (1/7th focal length vs 1/3rd). A field flattener for a 6" f/8 refractor should be pretty close it would seem.? I just haven't tried that yet. Charles |
Re: Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
Christian, I am rebuilding my C-14 (will send photos) but decided that moving 200 mm forward would be a good tradeoff (also based on Oslo) between length and field of view. the nice thing with 200 mm is that I can (I think) built it without a spider, just a 3d printed holder that will span the gap. -- benoit On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 4:49 AM, viladrich christian christian.viladrich@... [C14_EdgeHD] <C14_EdgeHD@...> wrote:
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Re: Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOf course one also has to support the secondary with spider vanes Charles Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "viladrich christian christian.viladrich@... [C14_EdgeHD]" <C14_EdgeHD@...> Date: 12/25/17 6:49 AM (GMT-06:00) To: C14_EdgeHD@... Subject: [C14_EdgeHD] Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
Dear All, I played around with OSLO to found out what is the optimal positioning of the Schmidt plate with the classic C14 design (ie. not relevant to the Edge-HD). It turned out that if the Schmidt plate is set 400 mm ahead of its original position, the radius of the field limited by diffraction is enlarged by 4 (9 arcmin instead of 2.2 arcmin). This is not as large as the C14 Edge-HD (12.4 arcmin) but not far away. Of course, the optical tube becomes much longer (there is no free meal ...). The other optical characteristics do not look to be affected (Strelh ratio on the optical axis, variation of focus with wavelength). More information here : Best regards Christian Viladrich
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Optimization of the positionning of the Schmidt plate in a C14
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDear All, I played around with OSLO to found out what is the optimal positioning of the Schmidt plate with the classic C14 design (ie. not relevant to the Edge-HD). It turned out that if the Schmidt plate is set 400 mm ahead of its original position, the radius of the field limited by diffraction is enlarged by 4 (9 arcmin instead of 2.2 arcmin). This is not as large as the C14 Edge-HD (12.4 arcmin) but not far away. Of course, the optical tube becomes much longer (there is no free meal ...). The other optical characteristics do not look to be affected (Strelh ratio on the optical axis, variation of focus with wavelength). More information here : Best regards Christian Viladrich
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Feather Touch Focuser installation problems
This may have been recently posted but now I'm having problems installing my feather touch focuser on my CLASSIC C14 Non Edge. I waited nearly 2 months to receive the parts for this along with the stepper motor and wired Starizona Micro Touch. I never even got to the step of motor installation ; since the feather touch seems to be jammed and is not turning at all. Looks like I'll need to take a trip to Starizona in Tuscon and have Dean do his magic and try to get this installed. I followed to the letter for installing this and thought it would be a piece of cake. I was a bit confused from the cd installation instructions that were given to me. This came with no brass stop ; but just the round brass ring that gets screwed onto the bearing and locked in with a tiny 1/16th set screw. I called Starizona to verify if this was the correct way to install and they stated yes. ? Now I'm wondering if the wrong Feather Touch Focuser was sent to me. The package box label does state FTM C14 so it appears correct. I tried to back the focuser back out but then the focus rod was exposed. Now best advice for me is to leave it alone and let Dean look at it. I just don't want to mess with it as is and possibly risk the primary mirror from damage. Don Curry |
Re: Old USA Classic Celestron C14
"?sell the C14 as fast as possible if your imaging?and get a Takahashi 106?"
That advice is analogous to selling your Ferrari to get a Camry because it is too difficult to drive a high performance car and who need to go that fast anyway! <g> Or why not get a DSLR with 18mm camera lens and fixed tripod.? Then you'll have it made in the shade. C14 is not for lazy sissies!? If you don't care about things like "real" resolution and want to make a bunch of "me too" wide field images then get rid of the C14 ASAP! <g> Stan |
Re: Old USA Classic Celestron C14
I have a reliable source and basically he stated to me sell the C14 as fast as possible if your imaging and get a Takahashi 106 ED instead. The more deeper I'm going down this rabbit hole it really makes sense. My only other alternative would be to go the way of Hyperstar which is what I did in the past with a standard Celestron C11 and had much fun with that setup. |
Re: Old USA Classic Celestron C14
"anyway to lock the mirror with the supplied shipping screws?you use when transporting the OTA"
No. Don't even try. Flopstoppers help but they are not a total solution. I think you have it right: 1) stay on one side of meridian 2) build a TPoint model around the area of imaging 3) use OAG guider.?? OAG guider is much more important and useful than TPoint.? I would not go overboard with TPoint unless you can't find the target without it.? You will probably never be able to take an unguided long exp with or without Tpoint and you can waste a lot of time trying. (Or you can do high speed DS imaging with EMCCD but that's another story.) Stan |
Old USA Classic Celestron C14
Okay I have bought a LF Coma Corrector Focal Reducer from Starizona making the scope F7.2 at 2650mm now and have it attached to a Paramount ME Mount with a QSI 683 WSG-8. I was able to achieve focus on the system with perfect round stars; although I now have the task of running an extensive? T-Point model with the scope and manually picking 6 stars on the same meridian side to begin with. ? My question for everyone is there anyway to lock the mirror with the supplied shipping screws you use when transporting the OTA around or do I just let it run a 300 point model and just see what the results will be in SKY X.? |
Re: Installation of a FeatherTouch SC Microfocuser. Hard to turn focuser knob..fix?
Follow up on feathertouch focuser for C14EdgeHD in Hyperstar mode.? StarLight Instruments repaired under warranty and returned in less than a week...outstanding.? I installed the feathertouch focuser and tested.? Very smooth and easy travel.? Great!??
Issue: The brass stop thread size did not match specs on Celestron focus rod by a minute amount.? StarLight Instruments is aware and has resized brass stops for this problem.? Installed the Optech Quicklynx motor and tested with TSXPro @focus2 and @focus3.? I need to work on settings for the @focus2 but @focus 3 achieved perfect focus first time and then on 2 more repeats.? OTA was at about 80degrees.? No "mirror flop" encountered.? I couldn't be happier!? My HyperStar setup is fully remote capable! |
SCT's and guide scopes
My experience with?SCT's and guide scopes is as follows..... I have a C14-f5.5? and a 50mm guide scope/finder scope mounted directly to the telescope all on a AP1200 mount.? I'm imaging with a SBIG ST8xme using a Remote guide head in the aforementioned guide scope and my control software is CCDSoft v5 and The Sky 6 pro.? When calibrating the guider, I place a bright star in the center of the guider's field and calibrate for 45 seconds.? The guiders fov is huge! Then I go to my target image and after choosing a guide star I begin my imaging. All my guiding is lower sub pixel even with 15-20 minute subs. and as long as I'm 25 degrees or so above the horizon, I rarely need to calibrate.? Now about that pesky mirror flop! Yes, I have it. But unless I cross the Meridian, it doesn't happen! But if it did I'll lose one sub exposure while the guider catches up. Another big plus is finding a guide star is so easy my pet Yorkie can do it. Not to mention problems from filters in the imager. Plus I can frame my image perfectly while the orientation of my guider stay the same. By mounting such a short guide scope firmly to the telescope, the flexure problem is undetectable in my images.? Many newer imagers have built in guide chips in front of their main chips but they still can have trouble finding a guide star while try to frame the main image. I've had the OAG's and long focal length guide scopes and never got them to perform as well as my setup.? My two cents,? Bob? ? |
Re: Edge C11 1st lights
Yes that was 56,000 frames stacked. ?My software does it without taxing the computer; it runs in background and is not a bother. ?Usually it takes approximately 1/2 the time to stack as to acquire (e.g. it takes about an hour to stack 2 hours of data).
I used to have an ICCD that I operated at 30fps so a 2 hour exp would require almost 1/4 million frames!? The bottom of this page shows a 180,000 frame stack of M57: The dealer I where got my EMCCD is no more. Check?Amazon for used EMCCD. ?But they are infrequent. If you find a source then let me know. Stan |
Re: Pluto & Charon
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:06 PM, stan_ccd@... [C14_EdgeHD] <C14_EdgeHD@...> wrote:
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