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Re: some images of the moon and some OSLO simulations

 

I would start by tilting the primary (as you did for the mirror flop study) then tilt the secondary to produce the best "on axis" star.? But OSLO will probably?re-center the corrector, though I think there is a way to prevent that. If not then it may be necessary to tilt and offset the corrector to correspond to the mechanical?situation.?


It's been awhile since I played with OSLO but if you post the C-14 elements then I'll give it a try.


My guess is that primary mirror tilt (with compensating secondary tilt, i.e. "collimated") has?minor affect within?less that an?arcmin?and then quickly explodes with aberrations past?that point.??It would be interesting to see how much tilt can be tolerated.


Stan


Re: some images of the moon and some OSLO simulations

 

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Thanks a lot Stan :-)

I think I can start with a radial optical offset of the Schmidt plate to check out what is going on.
But ... I have to do some reading to get a better understanding on how OSLO manages these radial offsets and this auto axis realignement.
I have no idea of what can be the optical radial offset. I guess the sphere on the primary is collinear with the geometric center of the primary. But down to what tolerance ? Do you have any idea ?

Best regards

Christian

Le 31/12/2013 17:03, stan_ccd@... a écrit?:

Christian,


The moon shots are fantastic!


The OSLO simulations are interesting.? The Sensitivity to primary mirror tilt (image shifting)?section?assumes that the primary's null position is perfectly aligned, which seems a dubious supposition. It would be interesting to see the effects of a tilted primary?with?the secondary collimated to compensate for the primary tilt, which means that the corrector becomes offset from the optical axis.?(Though if I remember correctly, that is?difficult to simulate in OSLO because of auto axis realignment.)


Stan



Re: some images of the moon and some OSLO simulations

 

Christian,


The moon shots are fantastic!


The OSLO simulations are interesting.? The Sensitivity to primary mirror tilt (image shifting)?section?assumes that the primary's null position is perfectly aligned, which seems a dubious supposition. It would be interesting to see the effects of a tilted primary?with?the secondary collimated to compensate for the primary tilt, which means that the corrector becomes offset from the optical axis.?(Though if I remember correctly, that is?difficult to simulate in OSLO because of auto axis realignment.)


Stan


some images of the moon and some OSLO simulations

 

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Dear All,

Please find some images of the moon taken on December,12 with the "classic" C14 :

Copernicus area with the Hortensius domes near the terminator :


Clavius region :


Plato region :


Bullialdus region :


All images are taken with a red filter and an IDS 3370 camera (2000 x 2000 pixels sensor).

BTW, I have updated a web page comparing the theoretical optical performances of the classic and Edge-HD versions of the C14 (OSLO simulations) :



and created a page with some optical simulations of the C8 Edge-HD here :


Clear skies and best wishes for the new year !!

Christian



Re: Ideal eyepiece(s) for HD scopes?

 

I have 28mm WO eyepiece (82* field) that I tested with the 14"Edge, as well as a stock 23mm Luminos. Both work pretty good as far as I can tell. No reflections and no coma. There could be some softer out-of-focus according to the calculations Stan provided but it was not immediately apparent. I was also going to try them with 0.7x reducer, but the magnification might be too low.
Ian


Jupiter 12/19/2013 from DEC

 

Clouds, but stable air. Soft, but sharpened up at the end. Moon next door reduced contrast on video, but was easy to fix.

In photos section : < http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/C14_EdgeHD/photos/albums/1517094101/lightbox/1700690701>

Dan L


Re: December 19, 2013

 

You have no right to complain!

That image is competitive with Christopher Go.


I enjoy the blue streaks because they are holes in the clouds that reveal an Earth like nitrogen atmosphere.


Stan


December 19, 2013

 

Frustrating seeing this night. Excellent for the red channel, mediocre for green and blue!That was the pattern all night! Here is a combination of two data sets taken over 11 minutes:



Brian


Re: Collimators

 

SCTs are?easy to?collimate?because there is only one accessible adjustment - secondary tilt-tip.? Collimation aids are entirely unnecessary and of dubious value compared to star collimation.?Star collimation is very sensitive and precise, though it may take some time to develop an eye for assessing the?concentric placement of?diffraction rings (start with centering the shadow).?


A potential problem with most collimation aids (incl artificial stars) is that they require?collimating in horizontal position. That?can easily result in miss-collimation?when sky pointing, due to?flexure (esp of the primary). This is more likely in larger scopes but can occur for any scope.


Save your money for a sexier gadget.


Stan


Re: Collimators

 

Or you can spend no money and simply use a paper donut mask. It actually works very well:



I just recollimated my C14 a couple of nights back using the magnified LiveView on a DSLR. It took just a couple of minutes. Much easier than doing it visually.


Re: Collimators

 

Andre, I bought the HOTECH collimator last year for my C-14, mounted on a pier in my obs.? I have not been able to get the screen back far enough-because of the height of the walls- to do a good job.? I was able to get a rough collimation, but haven't used it since.? I believe it to be an extremely accurate system, but takes some time to set up.? It is for sale-contact me off line if interested.? It is like new, stored in original fitted case. budh.


Collimators

 

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Hi Group,

?

I am looking for a collimator? for my C14edge .

Who tested the HOTECH? SCT advanced collimator and/or the BAADER C1335? recommended by Celestron.

Which is the best or the easiest of use ??

?

Regards.

?

André Schwachheim.


Re: New Album Posted

 

Stan,
This is a European (Dutch) manufacturer. He implements roller drive system. So far I am VERY happy. The Mount is top-notch at a reasonable price. Rated capacity is 100KG, though for imaging I would say 50-60KG is what I would load it. They use SiTechservo as a controller, which is also quite nice. The only thing to keep in mind is that this particular drive is more susceptible to problems when imbalanced.
Ian


Re: New Album Posted

 

Nice looking setup.?

I'm not familiar with that mount. Do you like it?


The star shapes?look pretty good.


Stan


New Album Posted

 

After finally assembling and testing my new rig, here are the first results: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/C14_EdgeHD/photos/albums/385975148
So far I am quite impressed. I had to return the OTA to C for overhaul, though. It wouldn't hold collimation and focus shift was way too big. Now both are much better and I lock the focus and use the Moonlite for final adjustments. Also checked the 0.7x reducer after reading all the horror stories here. Mine looks fine to me. Please check the corners on the M57 single-frame 30-min. shot.
Anyway, hope to have more to post soon!
Thanks for looking,
Ian


Re: Ideal eyepiece(s) for HD scopes?

 

Personally I'd go with a Televue 41mm Panoptic or a 31mm Nagler. They have basically the widest FoV of any eyepiece in a 2" barrel, with the 41mm very slightly wider. Televue has an eyepiece calculator on their website that gives all pertinent info as regards their own eyepieces on any OTA. Advantage of the 31mm Nagler is that it gives higher magnification (darker background?), but some may find the 82 degree apparent FoV too wide with the 65 degree AFoV of the Panoptic more cosy. I suspect that since Al Nagler is so passionate about his eyepieces, their image fields are quite flat and hence suited to the Edge HD. But that really needs confirmation from somebody who has actually used them on said scope. Perhaps try asking on Cloudy Nights?


Re: Ideal eyepiece(s) for HD scopes?

 

Reflections are not necessarily from the EP. Check the diagonal and everything in the image train for any unblackened surface. Also check the EP; you might be able to fix the problem.


I recommend?a high quality wide field EP in the range of 25-35mm. Buy?from Orion or other retailer that allows return for full refund.


Stan


Re: Ideal eyepiece(s) for HD scopes?

 

I had not thought of this, so thanks for the idea.? The issue, then, is not necessarily finding a low power long focal length EP, but rather finding the EP with the widest true FOV that works agreeably with the EgeHD optical train.? I have noticed that the Luminos 23mm supplied with all the Edge HD scopes has some spurious? reflections and a kind of light halo in the outer part of the field.? Now that I have noticed it, it is increasingly annoying.? I am hoping to find an EP that does? not have these artifacts but can provide a crisp but also optimally wide field view, at a reasonably low magnification, let's say below the 122X of the 23mm.
All the theorizing aside, the real issue is whether anyone has actually tested a variety of EPs in these scopes, and can provide a conclusive report on performance.?


Re: The Henry Hotel

 

LOL - I thought it was some DSO I had never heard of.


Re: The Henry Hotel

 

Sorry. My android phone went crazy and sent this mail here. My apologies.

Chris



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