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Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

 

Hi All,
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I recently purchased these three Procor 50' FMC Centered Double Door Box cars -- Athearn Ready to Run. (see image below).
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Does anyone know anything about the history of these Procor Box Cars?
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Based on the CPAA marking I have assumed that they ran on CP but I have not been able to find any images or other information.
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Many thanks
John Geddes
Vancouver, Canada
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Edited

John,?
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CPAA 207500-207614 were built by Pacific Car and Foundry in 1976. They were transfered to BC Hydro in 1978 and re-numbered BCH 7500-7614
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Unsure what they were used for, but the CPAA marks signify a car in international service. I would venture a guess they were in assigned service to a mill in BC.
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For the rivet counters among us, the PC&F cars are quite different to the FMC cars represented by the Athearn model. Note the ends, roof, sides.?
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Here's a couple photos from Earl Minnis and Doug Stark.
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Ryan Laroche?
Sylvan Lake, AB?
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Hi Ryan,
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Many thanks for your note and picture references.
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This explains why I couldn't find any information on CPAA 206033, 206057, and 206084. I expect these are "fake" road numbers. I admit that I purchased these Athearn cars mainly for the Procor blue colour to add some variety to my manifests and it looks like I will have to live with the knowledge that they do not fit the prototype.
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The fun part is that the purchase sent me on this exploration and I have learned something.
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Thanks again,
John
 

Guys,
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I understood that the CPAA reporting marks were for leased cars...
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On the other hand, CPI reporting marks were used for international service cars like the 71' bulkhead flat cars used to ship lumber to?
U.S.A.
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Paul Smith
Winnipeg
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From: jngeddes <jngeddes@...>
To: C-P-R <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, 26 December 2024 10:14 AM CST
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

Hi Ryan,
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Many thanks for your note and picture references.
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This explains why I couldn't find any information on CPAA 206033, 206057, and 206084. I expect these are "fake" road numbers. I admit that I purchased these Athearn cars mainly for the Procor blue colour to add some variety to my manifests and it looks like I will have to live with the knowledge that they do not fit the prototype.
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The fun part is that the purchase sent me on this exploration and I have learned something.
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Thanks again,
John
 

Paul,?
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CPAA were American Built cars in International service.
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CPI were Canadian cars in international service.
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It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in international service without being charged duty on their construction.
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The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded domestically in the opposite country of construction.
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There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but that was not their significance.
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Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.?
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Ryan Laroche?
Sylvan Lake, AB
 

Ryan,
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I stand corrected.
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I have a couple of CPAA cars on my HO scale railroad which I now know more about...
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I was aware of the use of the CPI cars in international service.
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Looking at the CPAA cars, that I have seen were not painted in CP colours, so acquired (or leased) from other owners presumably.
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Paul Smith
Winnipeg
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From: Ryan <laroche1987@...>
To: C-P-R <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, 28 December 2024 5:43 PM CST
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

Paul,?
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CPAA were American Built cars in International service.
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CPI were Canadian cars in international service.
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It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in international service without being charged duty on their construction.
?
The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded domestically in the opposite country of construction.
?
There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but that was not their significance.
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Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.?
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Ryan Laroche?
Sylvan Lake, AB
 

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Some were in Action Red?

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And they displayed ‘???’ of Maine

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Ken

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Laroche via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

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CPAA were American Built cars in International service.

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Ryan:

Thanks for the explanation. I wondered myself why the CPI and CP reporting marks.?

Kris Roenigk
Apsley, Ontario

On Dec 28, 2024 6:43?p.m., "Ryan Laroche via groups.io" <laroche1987@...> wrote:
Paul,?
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CPAA were American Built cars in International service.
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CPI were Canadian cars in international service.
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It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in international service without being charged duty on their construction.
?
The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded domestically in the opposite country of construction.
?
There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but that was not their significance.
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Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.?
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Ryan Laroche?
Sylvan Lake, AB
 

The same as BCIT or BCOL each for different countries

Work Safe and Play Hard Have? ?a Great Day
 

Ryan:



Almost. For CPAA (and CNA) “Cars were purchased in the United States and
under U.S. Customs regulations may be used in the same manner as cars
carrying Marks of United States owned railroads in the handling of both
international and U.S. domestic traffic.” So, the cars could be used for
domestic traffic also within the USA. The cars with CP reporting marks and
labelled as International of Maine Division were the same as CPAA-marked
cars.



The CPI and CNIS were Canadian-built cars that were restricted to
international service, i.e. no domestic service.



BCIT was used for a mixture of both of the above.



All of the above reporting marks are still active.



The one thing I cannot remember is if any of the above cars handling an
international shipment (CPAA coming loaded into Canada or CPI going loaded
into the USA) could return with a load as well. They may have had to return
empty.



Gordon Webster

Delaware, OH USeh

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Ryan Laroche via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084



Paul,



CPAA were American Built cars in International service.



CPI were Canadian cars in international service.



It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in
international service without being charged duty on their construction.



The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded
domestically in the opposite country of construction.



There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but
that was not their significance.



Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.



Ryan Laroche

Sylvan Lake, AB

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