C-P-R

Re: CPKC sells Panama Interest

bigdaddyhame@... (bigdaddyhame) — Sat, 05 Apr 2025 04:03:27 -0700

Certainly an ironic and intriguing acquisition for Maersk (a Danish company) given the Trumpian interest in both the Panama Canal and Greenland. Of course this sale has likely been in the works for months if not years and precedes Trump’s electioneering and sabre rattling but�� it might be a useful bargaining chip down the road.

CPKC sells Panama Interest

gordon67@... (Gordon Webster) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 23:36:49 -0700

This group’s activity has really waned over the last year or two. How about waking it up?

Oddities, like jointly owned railways that CP has been involved in have always been of interest. Examples of different forms of them include the Toronto Terminals Railway, Northern Alberta Railways, Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Railway, Shawinigan Falls Terminal Railway (where CN and CP would alternate supplying motive power), The CN CP Niagara-Detroit Joint Partnership and the Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad. For a short while after acquiring the Central Maine & Québec Railway, CP owned a short operation on a Norfolk Southern line in eastern Ohio.

In the last week, it has been reported that CPKC has divested another oddity it partially owned, the Panama Canal Railway, CP’s second coast-to-coast route. It’s 50% stake in the PCR was part of the Kansas City Southern acquisition. Mi-Jack Products, former owner of the other 50% stake, and CP sold the railway a couple of days ago to Maersk. KCS/Mi-Jack took over the railway in 1998, when it was still 5-foot gauge. It was converted to standard gauge in 2001 as part of a major overhaul of the line, with ballast and rail both coming from Canada. The rail was some of the last rail sold by Sydney Steel Corporation in Cape Breton, NS.

https://www.panarail.com/

Gordon Webster

Delaware, OH USeh

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Re: Galt Sub.

sjgardiner@... (Stephen Gardiner) — Tue, 18 Feb 2025 09:40:37 -0800

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 03:25 PM, Doug Renshaw wrote:

Timetable states Galt at 57.20 which is geographically in Cambridge.

Is the yard called Hagey Yard?

Thanks

Doug Renshaw

Burlington, ON.

No. Hagey is the yard serving Toyota on the Waterloo Subdivision. Mile 5.9.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/NAEpJbWLJ2yMfgBP9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

Regards,

Stephen Gardiner

Toronto, ON

Galt Sub.

trainguy999@... (Doug Renshaw) — Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:25:13 -0800

Timetable states Galt at 57.20 which is geographically in Cambridge.

Is the yard called Hagey Yard?

Thanks

Doug Renshaw

Burlington, ON.

Re: Rolphton Ontario Question

chris.granger@... (Chris Granger) — Sat, 08 Feb 2025 08:48:41 -0800

I think for the time of the construction of the dam at Rolphton that there was a spur put in. I will have to confirm with my best friend who's grandfather worked at the dam from construction to his retirement. My friend is already eyeing property to buy for his retirement time as the old family home has been acting as a cottage for the last 40 years. He loves the area.

Chris G

Rolphton Ontario Question

mxz_kris@... (Kris Roenigk) — Wed, 05 Feb 2025 01:24:40 -0800

I was snowmobiling in the Rolphton area yesterday. The OFSC uses an Ontario Power Generation road to connect the main trail that uses the former CPR railbed, with the village. It may just be me, but the way this road was built, it seems similar to how a railway would be. Was there a spur to the hydroelectric dam project when it was being constructed?

Kris Roenigk

Apsley, Ontario

RDC Mars lights

fmikebarone@... (mike barone) — Mon, 03 Feb 2025 22:43:09 -0800

Would anyone happen to have in their stock pile of parts, Miniatures by Eric RDC Mars light castings they can spare? With MbyE now out of business his parts are disappearing from the store shelves and I still have 2 RDC's that require these.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Mike Barone

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

gordon67@... (Gordon Webster) — Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:42:57 -0800

Ryan:

Almost. For CPAA (and CNA) “Cars were purchased in the United States and
under U.S. Customs regulations may be used in the same manner as cars
carrying Marks of United States owned railroads in the handling of both
international and U.S. domestic traffic.�� So, the cars could be used for
domestic traffic also within the USA. The cars with CP reporting marks and
labelled as International of Maine Division were the same as CPAA-marked
cars.

The CPI and CNIS were Canadian-built cars that were restricted to
international service, i.e. no domestic service.

BCIT was used for a mixture of both of the above.

All of the above reporting marks are still active.

The one thing I cannot remember is if any of the above cars handling an
international shipment (CPAA coming loaded into Canada or CPI going loaded
into the USA) could return with a load as well. They may have had to return
empty.

Gordon Webster

Delaware, OH USeh

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Ryan Laroche via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

Paul,

CPAA were American Built cars in International service.

CPI were Canadian cars in international service.

It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in
international service without being charged duty on their construction.

The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded
domestically in the opposite country of construction.

There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but
that was not their significance.

Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.

Ryan Laroche

Sylvan Lake, AB

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

miller_d22@... (Dale) — Sun, 29 Dec 2024 08:19:54 -0800

The same as BCIT or BCOL each for different countries

Work Safe and Play Hard Have a Great Day

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

mxz_kris@... (Kris Roenigk) — Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:12:43 -0800

Ryan:

Thanks for the explanation. I wondered myself why the CPI and CP reporting marks.

Kris Roenigk

Apsley, Ontario

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

kbrowne53@... (Ken Browne) — Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:12:35 -0800

Some were in Action Red?

And they displayed ��???�� of Maine

Ken

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

pbsmith@... (Paul B. Smith) — Sat, 28 Dec 2024 16:16:03 -0800

Ryan,

I stand corrected.

I have a couple of CPAA cars on my HO scale railroad which I now know more about...

I was aware of the use of the CPI cars in international service.

Looking at the CPAA cars, that I have seen were not painted in CP colours, so acquired (or leased) from other owners presumably.

Paul Smith

Winnipeg

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

laroche1987@... (Ryan Laroche) — Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:43:53 -0800

Paul,

CPAA were American Built cars in International service.

CPI were Canadian cars in international service.

It was part of an international agreement that allowed cars to be used in international service without being charged duty on their construction.

The different reporting marks was to prevent them from being loaded domestically in the opposite country of construction.

There were a large number of leased cars with CPAA reporting marks, but that was not their significance.

Of course NAFTA put an end to the need for the most part.

Ryan Laroche

Sylvan Lake, AB

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

pbsmith@... (Paul B. Smith) — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:23:34 -0800

Guys,

I understood that the CPAA reporting marks were for leased cars...

On the other hand, CPI reporting marks were used for international service cars like the 71' bulkhead flat cars used to ship lumber to

U.S.A.

Paul Smith

Winnipeg

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

jngeddes@... (jngeddes) — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:14:44 -0800

Hi Ryan,

Many thanks for your note and picture references.

This explains why I couldn't find any information on CPAA 206033, 206057, and 206084. I expect these are "fake" road numbers. I admit that I purchased these Athearn cars mainly for the Procor blue colour to add some variety to my manifests and it looks like I will have to live with the knowledge that they do not fit the prototype.

The fun part is that the purchase sent me on this exploration and I have learned something.

Thanks again,

John

Re: Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

laroche1987@... (Ryan Laroche) — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 06:44:26 -0800

John,

CPAA 207500-207614 were built by Pacific Car and Foundry in 1976. They were transfered to BC Hydro in 1978 and re-numbered BCH 7500-7614

Unsure what they were used for, but the CPAA marks signify a car in international service. I would venture a guess they were in assigned service to a mill in BC.

For the rivet counters among us, the PC&F cars are quite different to the FMC cars represented by the Athearn model. Note the ends, roof, sides.

Here's a couple photos from Earl Minnis and Doug Stark.

https://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cpaa207506&o=cprail

https://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cpaa207569&o=cprail

Ryan Laroche

Sylvan Lake, AB

Porcor CPAA 206033/206057/206084

jngeddes@... (jngeddes) — Wed, 25 Dec 2024 20:42:24 -0800

Hi All,

I recently purchased these three Procor 50' FMC Centered Double Door Box cars -- Athearn Ready to Run. (see image below).

Does anyone know anything about the history of these Procor Box Cars?

Based on the CPAA marking I have assumed that they ran on CP but I have not been able to find any images or other information.

Many thanks

John Geddes

Vancouver, Canada

CPKC Orders ET44ACs

teleprompter@... (Sean Graham-White) — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 07:12:39 -0800

Can confirm 170 ET44AC for CPKC, starting deliveries next year - that's all the info I have at this time.

Sean Graham-White

Re: 7437

p25smartzone@... (Nama ste) — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 10:22:28 -0800

I believe it’s the last of the 8. Numbered 7430-7437.

Scott

Barrie, ON

Re: 7437

bmiller4701@... (Bill Miller) — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 10:22:03 -0800

Baffinlands are 7430-7437.

-Bill Miller