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Railfan Routes Railcars via Rondout to Resolve Receiver's Remorse at Railroad & Shortlines Club of Chicago
Railroad & Shortlines Club of Chicago
7:30 pm Central Standard Time Friday, January 19, 2024 Do not arrive before 7:15 pm. Our next meeting will be both an in-person meeting and a Zoom meeting; the Zoom meeting invitation is at the end of the message. If enough people from outside the Chicago area attending Zoom meetings become Club members, this will encourage the Club to make hybrid meetings a permanent feature. Dues are $20 which includes four glossy newsletters sent by mail. The dues renewal is sent with the fourth newsletter. We still have slide shows which will not be presented via Zoom. Here are details about joining Railroad & Shortlines Club of Chicago: In-person meeting location Chicago Union Station Room 107A 500 W Jackson Blvd (enter between Clinton and Canal) Chicago, Illinois Railfan Routes Railcars via Rondout to Resolve Receiver's Remorse by Bill Edwards In this presentation we will hear about the presenter's project in 1993 to fix rail transit times from steel mills in Northwest Indiana to his facility in Minneapolis. This involved using the railfan's knowledge of the EJ&E/Soo (MILW) interchange at Rondout, buying a Trackmobile, and creating a 1,000 foot long private railroad. We will hear why a customer said, "I hope you don't want us to use more rail shipments" and why a railroader said "I hope you don't grow your business with us!", see why a Soo Line crew was paid to watch football games on Sunday afternoons, look at some Rondout history and operations, learn about A.O. Smith cars to Milwaukee, and, finally, create a switching railroad using two derails and a Trackmobile! Upcoming programs: February 16, 2024: to be announced March 15, 2024: Chicago to Freeport on the G&CU by William Shapotkin April 19, 2024: to be announced May 17, 2024: to be announced June 21, 2024: to be announced Railroad & Shortlines Club of Chicago meets at Chicago Union Station at 7:30 pm Central on the third Friday of the month except in July and August. For program announcements, please subscribe to our groups.io mailing list. Send a blank email message To: [email protected] To obtain Zoom meeting credentials for future programs given by Zoom, the best way is to subscribe to our groups.io mailing list. Web site: Email: shortlinechicagoHS@... Facebook: Phone number answered during the program: 312 725-0432. At other times, leave message with your name and telephone number to receive a call back. Join Zoom Meeting Meeting ID: 893 0850 3955 Passcode: 072004 --- One tap mobile +16469313860,,89308503955#,,,,*072004# US +13017158592,,89308503955#,,,,*072004# US (Washington DC) --- Dial by your location 646 931 3860 301 715 8592 (Washington DC) 305 224 1968 309 205 3325 312 626 6799 (Chicago) 646 558 8656 (New York) 253 205 0468 253 215 8782 (Tacoma) 346 248 7799 (Houston) 360 209 5623 386 347 5053 507 473 4847 564 217 2000 669 444 9171 689 278 1000 719 359 4580 720 707 2699 (Denver) Meeting ID: 893 0850 3955 Passcode: 072004 Find your local number: |
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January 15 in CNR History
January 15, 1915 The final spike is driven on the transcontinental Canadian Northern Railway at Basque, British Columbia. ? January 15, 1935 Thomas H. Gray passes away. He is credited with designing, in 1884, the “crossbucks” now in use throughout North America to warn motorists of grade crossing. ? |
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This Weekend in CNR History
January 12, 1945 Bituminous Coal Research Incorporated's Locomotive Study Group, made up of representatives from eastern railroads and locomotive manufacturers, meets to find ways to combat the rise of the diesel locomotive. They decide reciprocating steam is dead, and to explore coal-fired turbines. ? January 12, 1958 The Duluth South Shore & Atlantic runs its last passenger train between St. Ignace and Marquette MI. Other passenger service will continue through 1968. ? January 12, 1977 VIA Rail Canada is created as a subsidiary of Canadian National. For the previous nine months, "VIA" has been CN's brand for its passenger service. ? January 12, 2009 The U.S. Department of Transportation issues new rules for the construction of tank cars designed to carry hazardous material. The rules will apply to cars built after March 16, 2009. The railroads hope the tougher construction standards will reduce their liability insurance premium. ? January 13, 2021 Grand Trunk Western 4-6-2 5030 is sold to the Colebrookdale Preservation Trust in Pennsylvania. The locomotive had been on display in a park in Jackson MI since the late 1950’s. The Trust plans to restore the locomotive to operating condition. ? |
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Re: CN 322
They're literally working on the rail (and have protection from the RTC to do so)...
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Michael On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 01:42 PM, Walter Pfefferle wrote:
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Re: CN 322
开云体育Looks like a couple welders to me and standing in between the
rails is also a no no. No idea how fast the train was going if
leaving the yard probably not very fast. On 1/8/2024 3:36 PM, R.L.Kennedy wrote:
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Walter E Pfefferle Beachville Ontario railpast.com |
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Re: CN 322
Where is the third guy?? Supposed?to inspect both sides?of a passing train!? Naughty, Naughty!? On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:04?AM Michael Berry <mchlberry@...> wrote: CN 322 passing a couple of foremen in Montreal on Friday morning. |
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Re: CN 322
My goodness, no snow! On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 11:04 Michael Berry <mchlberry@...> wrote: CN 322 passing a couple of foremen in Montreal on Friday morning. |
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This Weekend in CNR History
January 6, 1918 The USRA makes major cuts in U.S. passenger service, saving $60 million (2024: $1.316 billion) per year. A la carte meals are abolished in diners, menus are limited and the number of dining cars is reduced. All passenger train advertising is eliminated (including train names). Consolidated ticket offices are established. During the war, the USRA will move 6,496,000 soldiers in 9,000 troop trains. ? January 6, 1930 The Detroit, Toledo & Ironton drops passenger service between Napoleon OH & Tecumseh MI. ? January 7, 1883 The Chicago, Kalamazoo & Saginaw (later MC, NYC, PC, CR (one section); MC, GT, CN (other section)) is incorporated. ? |
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Re: Question about that picture
Mark:
More information can be found here. It was formerly a part of the Oshawa Railway, which was taken over by GT in 1910, ending up CN. It was an electric line that also handled passengers. It never built outside of the Oshawa town/city limits. The tracks north of the CN Kingston Sub were torn out in 1998. I thought there was some track left south of the Kingston Sub (not street running, ran along the side of the street) but I can’t remember when they were taken out. There are some interesting videos available: Train operating around the curve where the photo you posted was taken: There is a video of the last train that ran on King Street in Oshawa in 1963. Now, when there is a last train that runs, there are 40 or so foamers that go out and chase the train, like the last run from Orangeville. This was quite the turnout, with bands, oxen pulled wagons, people standing 5-deep on the sidewalk…it was a parade!!!: There is much more info, with a track drawing, on Old Time Trains: and Transit Toronto (includes many roster photos of the electrics): More recent photo, further north on Ritson, with a longer train: he-oshawa-railway-sw1200rs-1366-and-1339-run-the-red-light-at-bond-street-as -they-approach-the-general-motors-north-plant-unfortunately-i-didnt-note-th Gordon Webster Delaware, OH USeh <mailto:Gordon67@...> Gordon67@... From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Mark Tomlonson via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2024 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [C-N-R] Question about that picture Can anyone tell me more about this picture? - Where was it taken? - Is this trackage still in use? (From the car in the background the picture looks to be about 50 years old.) - Why was the track built this way? Is it a former interurban line? I thought since the picture features a CN switcher, this might be the place to ask. Mark Tomlonson |
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Re: Question about that picture
The fact that it continues to circulate is the reason I posed the question. Being somewhat curious, it's nice to know the story behind the picture. Thanks again to everyone who has chimed in on this thread. Mark Tomlonson Do more things that make you forget to check your phone.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 10:29:40 AM EST, malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...> wrote:
Mark
Sorry late to the party, this picture circulates every few years, I always understood it to be at the corner of Bruce and Ritson.? The house in the picture is now demolished and a new property across the roadbed has been built, however the house in the background
is still there and visible on Google Earth (with new siding).
Malcolm
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Tomlonson via groups.io <tomlonson@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 9:25 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [C-N-R] Question about that picture ?
The image is close, but the details on the house (porch railing, a "roof" above the second floor windows) makes it doubtful it's the same location. It could easily be in the same area as the houses are about the same age.
Thanks to all of you for your replies.
Mark Tomlonson
Do more things that make you forget to check your phone.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 9:04:36 AM EST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
The "masts" appear to be a couple of TV antennas (in the days before cable ? ) and perhaps a ham radio?antenna (on the right). Alas, that makes it unlikely that they are much help in identifying the location.
However, a quick google search of the image finds another, taken at the junction of Ritson Rd S and Bruce Street in Oshawa, Ontario.?
This is a branch to a GM stamping plant. Looks like pretty good match!
Careful examination of Google Maps images shows the patched street on Bruce Street where the tracks used to run.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Question about that picture
Mark – it is the exact same location, just opposite angles. The
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railpictures photo (the linked one) is looking west along Bruce Street at a train that is heading north (turning east to north) to go to the GM plant. The photo that was sent attached to the original email was looking north at a train that was heading in the opposite direction to the linked one, turning south to west. Gordon Webster Delaware, OH USeh <mailto:Gordon67@...> Gordon67@... _____ From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Mark Tomlonson via groups.io <tomlonson@... <mailto:tomlonson@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 9:25 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [C-N-R] Question about that picture The image is close, but the details on the house (porch railing, a "roof" above the second floor windows) makes it doubtful it's the same location. It could easily be in the same area as the houses are about the same age. Thanks to all of you for your replies. Mark Tomlonson Do more things that make you forget to check your phone. On Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 9:04:36 AM EST, Bruce Smith
<smithbf@... <mailto:smithbf@...> > wrote: The "masts" appear to be a couple of TV antennas (in the days before cable ? ) and perhaps a ham radio antenna (on the right). Alas, that makes it unlikely that they are much help in identifying the location. However, a quick google search of the image finds another, taken at the junction of Ritson Rd S and Bruce Street in Oshawa, Ontario. This is a branch to a GM stamping plant. Looks like pretty good match! Careful examination of Google Maps images shows the patched street on Bruce Street where the tracks used to run. Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
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Re: Question about that picture
开云体育
Mark
Sorry late to the party, this picture circulates every few years, I always understood it to be at the corner of Bruce and Ritson.? The house in the picture is now demolished and a new property across the roadbed has been built, however the house in the background
is still there and visible on Google Earth (with new siding).
Malcolm
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Tomlonson via groups.io <tomlonson@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 9:25 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [C-N-R] Question about that picture ?
The image is close, but the details on the house (porch railing, a "roof" above the second floor windows) makes it doubtful it's the same location. It could easily be in the same area as the houses are about the same age.
Thanks to all of you for your replies.
Mark Tomlonson
Do more things that make you forget to check your phone.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 9:04:36 AM EST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
The "masts" appear to be a couple of TV antennas (in the days before cable ? ) and perhaps a ham radio?antenna (on the right). Alas, that makes it unlikely that they are much help in identifying the location.
However, a quick google search of the image finds another, taken at the junction of Ritson Rd S and Bruce Street in Oshawa, Ontario.?
This is a branch to a GM stamping plant. Looks like pretty good match!
Careful examination of Google Maps images shows the patched street on Bruce Street where the tracks used to run.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Question about that picture
开云体育You have the right corner, Bruce. Zoom in on the Gaggle picture and you can see the shadow of the street lamp mast that is behind the train but still on the train side of Ritson St. That would also confirm that the house in Marks pic is no longer there and something else has been built on its site. The Toyota I mentioned is in front of 71 Ritson St. Bert ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 6:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [C-N-R] Question about that picture ? The "masts" appear to be a couple of TV antennas (in the days before cable ? ) and perhaps a ham radio?antenna (on the right). Alas, that makes it unlikely that they are much help in identifying the location. ? However, a quick google search of the image finds another, taken at the junction of Ritson Rd S and Bruce Street in Oshawa, Ontario.? This is a branch to a GM stamping plant. Looks like pretty good match! ? Careful examination of Google Maps images shows the patched street on Bruce Street where the tracks used to run. ? Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
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开云体育The house in the first picture, from Mark, is not the same corner house in the Google shot. The Google shows a newer, wider driveway, and a square house. The pic from Mark shows another of the row houses like it’s neighbors to the left in the Google shot. Also, the front porch is quite different – it does not cover the entire street side of the house like the porch does in Mark’s shot. If the dark lines on Bruce St are, in fact, the rail lines, it would transect the corner of the structure on the Google shot. The brown car looks to be an original Toyota Corolla from the early ‘70s. ?Note the “vent” at the base of the “C” pillar. That’s confirmed by the blue Econoline van in the driveway in the shot looking down Bruce Street. As for the antenna mast on the right edge in the Bruce St shot, it is a Ham mast, but those are TV antennas at the top. If you look at Mark’s shot, there are two (or maybe three) more over the top of the SW. I remember seeing masts like these in Laurel, Md., on houses that were in a small depression and didn’t have a clear shot at the TV towers in Baltimore. I’m not saying that that’s the location, just making a comparison in antenna usage. Marks shot, when blown up to 600%, show that those are really Interurban rails – with the “U”-shaped gulley for the wheel flange to ride in. You can see the top of the inner cup just as the rails hit the pavement. And that kink in the rails???? What’s up with that? All else aside, I’m not sure I’d want to live there. Talk about a blind spot when backing out of the driveway!!! And you’d have to time baking a cake to when you knew a train wouldn’t pass by. Bert ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 6:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [C-N-R] Question about that picture ? The "masts" appear to be a couple of TV antennas (in the days before cable ? ) and perhaps a ham radio?antenna (on the right). Alas, that makes it unlikely that they are much help in identifying the location. ? However, a quick google search of the image finds another, taken at the junction of Ritson Rd S and Bruce Street in Oshawa, Ontario.? This is a branch to a GM stamping plant. Looks like pretty good match! ? Careful examination of Google Maps images shows the patched street on Bruce Street where the tracks used to run. ? Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
Walter Pfefferle
R.L.Kennedy