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Receiver comparison


 

Having a passing familiarity with the inner-workings of the FT-817, one of the problems with it is that its AGC is not well-designed.

Unlike most AGCs, the time constant appears to be different for weak signals (<S9) than above, but this has to do with the unfortunate "volts/dB" curve of the AGC control voltage: For weaker signals, it is reasonable, but for strong signals a small change in voltage = more dB. The net effect of this is that the AGC seems to be inconsistent in the manner described.

When I use my FT-817 - particularly on a busy or noisy band - I make use of the attenuator to keep the S-meter in the "lower half" (<S9). In this way, one avoids the de-facto audio compression that seems to occur when the AGC is in its upper range where the time constant - even on "slow" - is faster than what one would ever choose intentionally.

Interestingly, I've not see this AGC problem discussed much as its cause isn't immediately obvious and I have not ever seen any attempted fixes but it does explain the sometimes "heavy" sound attributed to this radio. If nothing else it can serve as a cautionary tale to someone designing their own AGC loop.

73,

Clint
KA7OEI


 

to bat for thr ft817nd, its big compromise is the speaker itself. a larger speaker helps. my main complain about it is the rx current consumption

On 02-Jan-2017 8:23 am, "Kent Vanderploeg kvanderploeg@... [BITX20]" <BITX20@...> wrote:
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I did not activate the attenuator or the IPO.? I wanted it to be as apples to apples as possible. ? I can also turn down the RF gain and run up the AF gain for some of those buried signals. ? The noise is definitely there, ?but the 817 has a few extra tools to deal with it. ? I'm sure the larger speaker I'm using on the BITX helps too.?

Kent
W9WB?

On Jan 1, 2017 8:43 PM, "parkerp@... [BITX20]" <BITX20@...> wrote:
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Bitx definitely the best sounding of the lot.?


Excessive gain + AGC can create that commercial gear 'canned audio' sound that builders enjoy freedom from. ?

I'm a big fan of the FT817 but yours sounded overloaded. Did you try the attenuator and IPO??

73, Peter VK3YE



 

I did not activate the attenuator or the IPO.? I wanted it to be as apples to apples as possible. ? I can also turn down the RF gain and run up the AF gain for some of those buried signals. ? The noise is definitely there, ?but the 817 has a few extra tools to deal with it. ? I'm sure the larger speaker I'm using on the BITX helps too.?

Kent
W9WB?

On Jan 1, 2017 8:43 PM, "parkerp@... [BITX20]" <BITX20@...> wrote:
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Bitx definitely the best sounding of the lot.?


Excessive gain + AGC can create that commercial gear 'canned audio' sound that builders enjoy freedom from. ?

I'm a big fan of the FT817 but yours sounded overloaded. Did you try the attenuator and IPO??

73, Peter VK3YE



 

Bitx definitely the best sounding of the lot.?

Excessive gain + AGC can create that commercial gear 'canned audio' sound that builders enjoy freedom from. ?

I'm a big fan of the FT817 but yours sounded overloaded. Did you try the attenuator and IPO??

73, Peter VK3YE


 

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Kent,

I think your BitX40 had the best sounding audio of them all, the 450 next, and I was astounded at how noisy the 817s receiver was, and to think I always wanted one of those, not anymore.

Joel?
KB6QVI

On Jan 1, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Kent Vanderploeg kvanderploeg@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

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After my initial troubles with a broken L2, the BITX40 is hearing well and making some surprising contacts. Here's a little comparison video of the received audio from the BITX, the FT-817, and the FT-450D.



Kent
W9WB?


 

After my initial troubles with a broken L2, the BITX40 is hearing well and making some surprising contacts. Here's a little comparison video of the received audio from the BITX, the FT-817, and the FT-450D.



Kent
W9WB?