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Hi All,
Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the KD8CEC
1.072 can be a problem
because version 1.072 does not appear in the list.
It is necessary to click on the Branch button,
then use your mouse wheel to
scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed.
Best to All,
Rod KM6SN
See below for an excerpt:
Download
the CECFW source code from github
For
this example we will be using version 1.072.
Click
the “Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click
“Clone or download” and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the
downloaded file and make a note of the folder location, or move
the
unzipped directory into your arduino sketch folder.
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Rod, Thanks so much for the manuals!
Paul K0ZYV
On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 3:25:48 PM PDT, Rod Davis <km6sn@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the KD8CEC
1.072 can be a problem
because version 1.072 does not appear in the list.
It is necessary to click on the Branch button,
then use your mouse wheel to
scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed.
Best to All,
Rod KM6SN
See below for an excerpt:
Download
the CECFW source code from github
For
this example we will be using version 1.072.
Click
the “Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click
“Clone or download” and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the
downloaded file and make a note of the folder location, or move
the
unzipped directory into your arduino sketch folder.
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AND it works every time now!?? Thanks Rod.? I can proceed with
further commentary, hi hi.
Ron W7HD
On 04/21/2018 03:25 PM, Rod Davis
wrote:
Hi All,
Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the
KD8CEC 1.072 can be a problem
because version 1.072 does not appear in the
list.
It is necessary to click on the Branch button,
then use your mouse wheel to
scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed.
Best to All,
Rod KM6SN
See below for an excerpt:
Download the CECFW source
code from github
For this example we will be
using version 1.072.
Click the
“Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click “Clone or download”
and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the downloaded file and make a
note of the folder location, or move the unzipped directory
into your arduino sketch folder.
--
Ron W7HD - NAQCC#7587 OMISS#9898 KX3#6966 LinuxUser#415320
Editor OVARC newsletter
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The way Ian packages his IDC code is a bit problematic because when you unpack it… it over-writes his old code in the Arduino IDC.? Simply including the VERSION NUMBER in the file name/ directory would solve this issue. ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: Like us on Facebook! ? Moderator – North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ?
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 6:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] KD8CEC 1.072 download? AND it works every time now!?? Thanks Rod.? I can proceed with further commentary, hi hi. Ron W7HD ? On 04/21/2018 03:25 PM, Rod Davis wrote: Hi All, Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the KD8CEC 1.072 can be a problem because version 1.072 does not appear in the list. ? It is necessary to click on the Branch button, then use your mouse wheel to scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed. ? Best to All, Rod KM6SN ? ? See below for an excerpt: Download the CECFW source code from github For this example we will be using version 1.072. ? 
Click the “Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click “Clone or download” and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the downloaded file and make a note of the folder location, or move the unzipped directory into your arduino sketch folder. ?
-- Ron W7HD - NAQCC#7587 OMISS#9898 KX3#6966 LinuxUser#415320 Editor OVARC newsletter
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Rod, All
I am always thanking Rod.
And I'm sorry to interrupt Rod's work with too many changes in functionality.
1.072 will be tested and will be released as 1.073 Beta.
Several minor ones have been added.
Please wait for a day or two to download the code or firmware.?
Perhaps 1.07x will continue to be a Beta version.
Frequent formal firmware release seems to be inconvenient for some people, so I try to release it after various tests.
I think Version 1.061 is a stable version.?I know there is some nice firmware based on Version 1.061 and I will install it on my Spare uBITX.
Version 1.061 and later versions are also based on Version 1.061.
The Portable version and the various language versions are all excellent Firmware and I share code with them.
Please wait for a day or two?, I'll release version 1.073 beta after testing in various environments (including Linux).
Thank you
Ian KD8CEC
Hi All,
Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the KD8CEC
1.072 can be a problem
because version 1.072 does not appear in the list.
It is necessary to click on the Branch button,
then use your mouse wheel to
scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed.
Best to All,
Rod KM6SN
See below for an excerpt:
Download
the CECFW source code from github
For
this example we will be using version 1.072.
Click
the “Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click
“Clone or download” and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the
downloaded file and make a note of the folder location, or move
the
unzipped directory into your arduino sketch folder.
-- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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Ian... would you PLEASE consider writing the version number in the file name of the code? ?That way different versions can be saved easily in the Arduino ISD.?
Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it:
email:??bill@... ?
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On Apr 22, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Ian Lee < kd8cec@...> wrote: Rod, All
I am always thanking Rod.
And I'm sorry to interrupt Rod's work with too many changes in functionality.
1.072 will be tested and will be released as 1.073 Beta.
Several minor ones have been added.
Please wait for a day or two to download the code or firmware.?
Perhaps 1.07x will continue to be a Beta version.
Frequent formal firmware release seems to be inconvenient for some people, so I try to release it after various tests.
I think Version 1.061 is a stable version.?I know there is some nice firmware based on Version 1.061 and I will install it on my Spare uBITX.
Version 1.061 and later versions are also based on Version 1.061.
The Portable version and the various language versions are all excellent Firmware and I share code with them.
Please wait for a day or two?, I'll release version 1.073 beta after testing in various environments (including Linux).
Thank you
Ian KD8CEC -- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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William
I use git for version control, but it seems to be difficult to trace history when the file name changes.
Instead, I will create a separate file to keep track of which files have changed each time I deploy.
All filenames are now cleaned up.
Since Version 1.070, there was work such as splitting and merging files to support various hardware.
I will publish Version 1.073 (Beta) within a day.
Thank you for testing the firmware.
Ian KD8CEC
Ian... would you PLEASE consider writing the version number in the file name of the code?? That way different versions can be saved easily in the Arduino ISD.?
Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it:
email:??bill@... ? On Apr 22, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Ian Lee < kd8cec@...> wrote: Rod, All
I am always thanking Rod.
And I'm sorry to interrupt Rod's work with too many changes in functionality.
1.072 will be tested and will be released as 1.073 Beta.
Several minor ones have been added.
Please wait for a day or two to download the code or firmware.?
Perhaps 1.07x will continue to be a Beta version.
Frequent formal firmware release seems to be inconvenient for some people, so I try to release it after various tests.
I think Version 1.061 is a stable version.?I know there is some nice firmware based on Version 1.061 and I will install it on my Spare uBITX.
Version 1.061 and later versions are also based on Version 1.061.
The Portable version and the various language versions are all excellent Firmware and I share code with them.
Please wait for a day or two?, I'll release version 1.073 beta after testing in various environments (including Linux).
Thank you
Ian KD8CEC
Best 73
KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee
kd8cec@...
(my blog)
-- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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Thanks Ian for all your work you sure are packing a lot of features into that nano. I first modified the original firmware of Farhan’s to fix a few issues I had with it and then I followed your development. I am using your version 1.06 and found it to be all that I needed in functionality. Thanks again for all your efforts.
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On Apr 23, 2018, at 20:56, Ian Lee < kd8cec@...> wrote: William
I use git for version control, but it seems to be difficult to trace history when the file name changes.
Instead, I will create a separate file to keep track of which files have changed each time I deploy.
All filenames are now cleaned up.
Since Version 1.070, there was work such as splitting and merging files to support various hardware.
I will publish Version 1.073 (Beta) within a day.
Thank you for testing the firmware.
Ian KD8CEC -- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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Im not sure you understand this completely, so ill put this more clearly. When the main sketch has the same name from version to version and you upload it to the Arduino IDE, it over-writes the previous version because it has the SAME NAME. ?Of you were to include the version number in the program name, they would not over-write.?
Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it:
email:??bill@... ?
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On Apr 23, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Ian Lee < kd8cec@...> wrote: William
I use git for version control, but it seems to be difficult to trace history when the file name changes.
Instead, I will create a separate file to keep track of which files have changed each time I deploy.
All filenames are now cleaned up.
Since Version 1.070, there was work such as splitting and merging files to support various hardware.
I will publish Version 1.073 (Beta) within a day.
Thank you for testing the firmware.
Ian KD8CEC -- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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Maybe I’m missing something here but I just put each downloaded version in its own folder and have no problem with overwriting files. Mike K5ESS ?
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] KD8CEC 1.072 download? Im not sure you understand this completely, so ill put this more clearly. When the main sketch has the same name from version to version and you upload it to the Arduino IDE, it over-writes the previous version because it has the SAME NAME. ?Of you were to include the version number in the program name, they would not over-write.? ? Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? email:??bill@... ?
On Apr 23, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Ian Lee <kd8cec@...> wrote:
William I use git for version control, but it seems to be difficult to trace history when the file name changes. Instead, I will create a separate file to keep track of which files have changed each time I deploy. All filenames are now cleaned up. Since Version 1.070, there was work such as splitting and merging files to support various hardware. I will publish Version 1.073 (Beta) within a day. Thank you for testing the firmware. ? 2018-04-24 9:31 GMT+09:00 K9HZ <bill@...>: Ian... would you PLEASE consider writing the version number in the file name of the code?? That way different versions can be saved easily in the Arduino ISD.? ? Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? email:??bill@... ?
On Apr 22, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Ian Lee <kd8cec@...> wrote:
Rod, All I am always thanking Rod. And I'm sorry to interrupt Rod's work with too many changes in functionality. 1.072 will be tested and will be released as 1.073 Beta. Several minor ones have been added. Please wait for a day or two to download the code or firmware.? Perhaps 1.07x will continue to be a Beta version.
Frequent formal firmware release seems to be inconvenient for some people, so I try to release it after various tests. I think Version 1.061 is a stable version.?I know there is some nice firmware based on Version 1.061 and I will install it on my Spare uBITX. Version 1.061 and later versions are also based on Version 1.061. The Portable version and the various language versions are all excellent Firmware and I share code with them. Please wait for a day or two?, I'll release version 1.073 beta after testing in various environments (including Linux). ? 2018-04-22 7:25 GMT+09:00 Rod Davis <km6sn@...>: Hi All, Ron, W7HD, points out that downloading the KD8CEC 1.072 can be a problem because version 1.072 does not appear in the list. ? It is necessary to click on the Branch button, then use your mouse wheel to scroll down until the version1.072 is revealed. ? Best to All, Rod KM6SN ? ? See below for an excerpt: Download the CECFW source code from github For this example we will be using version 1.072. ? <Image4> Click the “Branch” button to select version 1.072, then click “Clone or download” and click “Download ZIP”. Unzip the downloaded file and make a note of the folder location, or move the unzipped directory into your arduino sketch folder. ?
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Best 73
KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee
kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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Best 73
KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee
kd8cec@...
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It would also make it easier to identify the version just by a glance at the directory that hold the code files. Because the INO file must have the same name as the directory its in for the IDE to compile the file, instead of all versions sitting in a directory name ubitx_20, it makes sense to have:
C://ubitx_20V1072/ubitx_20V1072.ino
????????????????? ubitx_factory_alignment.cpp
????????????????? //...and so on...
???????????????????????????? This way the "old" versions are preserved when the new one is released. I would still like to see only the source file containing the setup() and loop() functions be given the INO secondary file name and all the others given CPP secondary file names. Currently, using all INO file names causes the compiler to get sloppy on parameter type checking and that can be a nasty bug to isolate, especially when no symbolic debugger is available. True, the change will identify a host of warnings, but should uncover no bugs, since the code compiles correctly as is. I did that for Farhan's original code and while it took some time, it's really grunt work and not difficult to change.
Jack, W8TEE
On Monday, April 23, 2018, 11:45:03 PM EDT, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:
Im not sure you understand this completely, so ill put this more clearly. When the main sketch has the same name from version to version and you upload it to the Arduino IDE, it over-writes the previous version because it has the SAME NAME. ?Of you were to include the version number in the program name, they would not over-write.?
Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it:
email:??bill@... ?
On Apr 23, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Ian Lee < kd8cec@...> wrote: William
I use git for version control, but it seems to be difficult to trace history when the file name changes.
Instead, I will create a separate file to keep track of which files have changed each time I deploy.
All filenames are now cleaned up.
Since Version 1.070, there was work such as splitting and merging files to support various hardware.
I will publish Version 1.073 (Beta) within a day.
Thank you for testing the firmware.
Ian KD8CEC -- Best 73 KD8CEC / Ph.D ian lee kd8cec@...
(my blog)
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This is why Ian is using a version control system. As long as there are labels attached to each version, you can always go back and forward between versions without having to resort to different file names or different folders. As Ian explained, using?different filenames actually breaks this mechanism.?You may want to look into a Git tutorial to see how easy it is to - with just three or four commands you can do all that. All you need is to have Git installed on your system.?
To create a copy of the repository, you use this command (this assumes a Linux or other Unix type system - I don't know what the corresponding commands would be for Windows):
git clone?
You then go into the ubitx folder:
cd ubitx
From within this folder, you can list the tags that are?available:
git tags
If you want to use the latest version, you are usually already all set, to go back to a previous version, you would use?the checkout command:
git checkout v1.06
The argument you use (in this case "v1.06" is one of the tags that were listed with the "tags" command above).
You can always find out what's going on by using the "status" command:
git status
Especially if you?want to make your own changes, Git is a great system, because you will always know what you've changed and you can keep track of your changes by creating your own branches and tags.?
This is how professional software development is done.?
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Hmmmmm. ? Interesting....?
On Apr 24, 2018, at 08:24, Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK < khk@...> wrote:
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This is why Ian is using a version control system. As long as there are labels attached to each version, you can always go back and forward between versions without having to resort to different file names or different folders. As Ian explained, using?different
filenames actually breaks this mechanism.?You may want to look into a Git tutorial to see how easy it is to - with just three or four commands you can do all that. All you need is to have Git installed on your system.?
To create a copy of the repository, you use this command (this assumes a Linux or other Unix type system - I don't know what the corresponding commands would be for Windows):
git clone?
You then go into the ubitx folder:
cd ubitx
From within this folder, you can list the tags that are?available:
git tags
If you want to use the latest version, you are usually already all set, to go back to a previous version, you would use?the checkout command:
git checkout v1.06
The argument you use (in this case "v1.06" is one of the tags that were listed with the "tags" command above).
You can always find out what's going on by using the "status" command:
git status
Especially if you?want to make your own changes, Git is a great system, because you will always know what you've changed and you can keep track of your changes by creating your own branches and tags.?
This is how professional software development is done.?
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But if this doesn’t work for windows users, the most common sort of us I suspect, exactly how does this benefit us?
The only Linux that I have available to me is a raspberry. I have plenty of those. Am I able to run the integrated development environment on raspberry?
On Apr 24, 2018, at 08:31, Gordon Gibby < ggibby@...> wrote:
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Hmmmmm. ? Interesting....?
On Apr 24, 2018, at 08:24, Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK < khk@...> wrote:
This is why Ian is using a version control system. As long as there are labels attached to each version, you can always go back and forward between versions without having to resort to different file names or different folders. As Ian explained, using?different
filenames actually breaks this mechanism.?You may want to look into a Git tutorial to see how easy it is to - with just three or four commands you can do all that. All you need is to have Git installed on your system.?
To create a copy of the repository, you use this command (this assumes a Linux or other Unix type system - I don't know what the corresponding commands would be for Windows):
git clone?
You then go into the ubitx folder:
cd ubitx
From within this folder, you can list the tags that are?available:
git tags
If you want to use the latest version, you are usually already all set, to go back to a previous version, you would use?the checkout command:
git checkout v1.06
The argument you use (in this case "v1.06" is one of the tags that were listed with the "tags" command above).
You can always find out what's going on by using the "status" command:
git status
Especially if you?want to make your own changes, Git is a great system, because you will always know what you've changed and you can keep track of your changes by creating your own branches and tags.?
This is how professional software development is done.?
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Yes Git is a version control system, but not everyone is a software engineer!
I try to accommodate the people who will be trying to use my software.
rOn
On April 24, 2018 at 8:24 AM "Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK" <khk@...> wrote:
This is why Ian is using a version control system. As long as there are labels attached to each version, you can always go back and forward between versions without having to resort to different file names or different folders. As Ian explained, using?different filenames actually breaks this mechanism.?You may want to look into a Git tutorial to see how easy it is to - with just three or four commands you can do all that. All you need is to have Git installed on your system.?
To create a copy of the repository, you use this command (this assumes a Linux or other Unix type system - I don't know what the corresponding commands would be for Windows):
git clone?
You then go into the ubitx folder:
cd ubitx
From within this folder, you can list the tags that are?available:
git tags
If you want to use the latest version, you are usually already all set, to go back to a previous version, you would use?the checkout command:
git checkout v1.06
The argument you use (in this case "v1.06" is one of the tags that were listed with the "tags" command above).
You can always find out what's going on by using the "status" command:
git status
Especially if you?want to make your own changes, Git is a great system, because you will always know what you've changed and you can keep track of your changes by creating your own branches and tags.?
This is how professional software development is done.?
--
Karl Heinz - K5KHK
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Karl: I've used version control (VC) systems on everything from a PC to a full-blown mainframe running VMS. That said, most Arduino users probably see VC as an unnecessary layer to negotiate each time a new release comes out...they are not in a commercial software development environment. What I've done with Ian's releases is to create new subdirectories for each release: ??? C://IanLee/Version106/ubix_20.ino...
????????????? /Version1072/ubix_20.ino
????????????? /WorkingVersion/ubix_20/ubix_20.ino...
and so on. I then have a "working directory" (i.e., the? WorkingVersion above) that holds the most recent version which is copied from the latest subdirectory. I can then traverse to this working directory from within the IDE, click on the INO file and off I go. This also allows me to return to the "original state" of the code should the need arise, but without a VC system. True, I lose the intermediate steps that got me from point 'A' to point 'M', but for most users, they don't care anyway as long as the original is preserved.
Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 8:24:10 AM EDT, Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK <khk@...> wrote:
This is why Ian is using a version control system. As long as there are labels attached to each version, you can always go back and forward between versions without having to resort to different file names or different folders. As Ian explained, using?different filenames actually breaks this mechanism.?You may want to look into a Git tutorial to see how easy it is to - with just three or four commands you can do all that. All you need is to have Git installed on your system.?
To create a copy of the repository, you use this command (this assumes a Linux or other Unix type system - I don't know what the corresponding commands would be for Windows):
git clone?
You then go into the ubitx folder:
cd ubitx
From within this folder, you can list the tags that are?available:
git tags
If you want to use the latest version, you are usually already all set, to go back to a previous version, you would use?the checkout command:
git checkout v1.06
The argument you use (in this case "v1.06" is one of the tags that were listed with the "tags" command above).
You can always find out what's going on by using the "status" command:
git status
Especially if you?want to make your own changes, Git is a great system, because you will always know what you've changed and you can keep track of your changes by creating your own branches and tags.?
This is how professional software development is done.?
--
Karl Heinz - K5KHK
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I did not say that it would not work for Windows, I said that I do not know what the corresponding commands are on Windows - changes are that they are?the same (or very close), but without any first hand experience, I would not want to spread any misinformation. Git is available for Windows, but you may want to read a Windows specific tutorial.?
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Well I appreciate that, but this is not the only thing I do in life. I’m involved in several other activities both in radio and elsewhere, and writing books left and right, and I don’t have time to read tutorials on every little system. If you can’t make it
easy, you will lose people like me.
On Apr 24, 2018, at 08:42, Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK < khk@...> wrote:
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I did not say that it would not work for Windows, I said that I do not know what the corresponding commands are on Windows - changes are that they are?the same (or very close), but without any first hand experience, I would not want to spread any misinformation.
Git is available for Windows, but you may want to read a Windows specific tutorial.?
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Jack,?
I think we are dealign with three types of users:
1) The "Give me a simple way to flash uBitx, and I don't care about version numbers, I don't care about changes, I just want to use?the latest and greatest features" user. For?them, a version number is not important,?because they very likely don't even want to keep more than one version around. They would very likely be happy with just using avrdude and flashing a hex file, which Ian provides.?
2) The "I want to experiment with the software and make my own changes, but always want a save way to get back to a working configuration" type of user. For them, just like learning?the syntax of C/C++ and how the library system in the Arduino IDE works, it may be a good idea to get a basic understanding of a version control system and use that to keep track of changes.?You want to make changes to the software? Then you are a software developer, and version control is part of that.?
3) The "I want to have access to different versions, but don't?want to learn how software development actually works" type. For them, your approach may be a good way to keep track of different versions. ?
Especially if you fall into #2, and you want to make changes, you need a way to figure out what you've changed. When you hack away on a keyboard, mistakes happen and you may not even remember touching a file. A version control system always will tell you exactly what has changed, and then you can figure out how to get back to a working system. So, in m opinion if you?want to make changes, you either need to be very good with the Unix diff command, or have a VC system?that takes care of that for you.?
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Karl: You're probably right on the 3 types. However, the statement:
You want to make changes to the software? Then you are a software developer, and version control is part of that.
needs a little wiggle room. If someone just wants to add a splash screen with their call, that's a change, but I don't think they need version control to do it. The problem is implementation: at what point do you transition from casual programmer to software developer? I think there are a lot of "add-a-splash-screen" programmers who are sticking their toes into the programming ocean for the first time. I think that's great...it's a fun element of our hobby! Of course, the danger is that wigglie toes in an ocean can attract attention from some mean-spirited creatures and some cautions need to then be put in place to safeguard the code. I just don't know where that line is drawn.
For me, when I'm finished working for the day, I always make a back a copy of the current files into a Backup directory. Using my earlier example, I would have:
?? C://IanLee/Version106/ubix_20.ino...
????????????? /Version1072/ubix_20.ino
????????????? /WorkingVersion/ubix_20/ubix_20.ino...
????????????? /Backup/WorkingVersion/ubix_20/ubitx_20.ino? // and the rest of the files
Notice how Backup is really a mirror of the WorkingVersion directory. As long as I back up at the end of each day, my worst case is I lose one day's work. I'm not as religious about this as I should be, which a real VC would enforce, but it works for me now. In the end, it's up to the user to decide what's needed. The true value of VC only comes clearly into focus when something really bad happens and six months worth of work disappears.
Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 8:59:11 AM EDT, Karl Heinz Kremer, K5KHK <khk@...> wrote:
Jack,?
I think we are dealign with three types of users:
1) The "Give me a simple way to flash uBitx, and I don't care about version numbers, I don't care about changes, I just want to use?the latest and greatest features" user. For?them, a version number is not important,?because they very likely don't even want to keep more than one version around. They would very likely be happy with just using avrdude and flashing a hex file, which Ian provides.?
2) The "I want to experiment with the software and make my own changes, but always want a save way to get back to a working configuration" type of user. For them, just like learning?the syntax of C/C++ and how the library system in the Arduino IDE works, it may be a good idea to get a basic understanding of a version control system and use that to keep track of changes.?You want to make changes to the software? Then you are a software developer, and version control is part of that.?
3) The "I want to have access to different versions, but don't?want to learn how software development actually works" type. For them, your approach may be a good way to keep track of different versions. ?
Especially if you fall into #2, and you want to make changes, you need a way to figure out what you've changed. When you hack away on a keyboard, mistakes happen and you may not even remember touching a file. A version control system always will tell you exactly what has changed, and then you can figure out how to get back to a working system. So, in m opinion if you?want to make changes, you either need to be very good with the Unix diff command, or have a VC system?that takes care of that for you.?
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