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Gordon

Still thinking about how to manage the "hams working on ventilators" traffic versus
the rest of the BITX-20 group discussions.?? Wonder if it would work to let the ventilator
traffic continue but keep it under a very specific #topic header.?? This would allow
those who are not interested in ventilating to just mute that topic so they would
never see it again.?? Your thoughts...?

Arv
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Gordon Gibby <docvacuumtubes@... > wrote:

Thank you Arv.?? ? Probably 35 messages have gone out internal the group working on the ventilator in the last 24 hours alone.?? ? Two programmers have written working or nearly working code to improve on the tiny stuff that I wrote; one press release was authorized; a university PIO has come on line, and three manufacturers have stepped up to potentially? assist or manufacture.?? ? All of that happened with very little email here (unless I happened to slip up and sned it to the wrong place and if so, I apologize) -- and now we are at the point of moving toward a printed circuit board design and final software.?? ?? Some had ASKED for updates on this forum.?? ? All of this, including frantic efforts to find suitable pressure transducers etc, fervent discussions of legal matters, and safety concerns and some arguments that were a waste of time...all happened outside this forum (which was appropriate).?? ? 97.1 indicates amateur radio is to be a RESERVOIR of trained people....and this in keeping with the outworking of precisely that.?? ? Once a sufficient number became involved, there was no further need to discuss on this forum (unless by accident I sent the wrong place, my apologies).

THANKS for all who have volunteered their time and expertise, the group who started this has been overwhelmed with offers.

Lets hope this does some good.

Gordon Gibby KX4Z

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:49 PM Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

A recent ARRL news post highlighted the BITX20 group effort to work up a low cost design for a safe ventilator.? ?

These are strange times that might offer an opportunity for hams to "make a difference".?

My request is for those not interested in this subject to mute the topic for the next few days.?? Work is ongoing to form a new group to focus directly on this effort.?? This will hopefully move the ventilator messages to that venue.?? If off-topic posts persists after the new group is functioning, those posts can be moderated and redirected to that group.? ?

I would ask those who are setting up a new info and control web site for the ventilator project to post a notification here when their site is up and running.?? Once that is done we can take steps to move ventilator traffic over to that new discussion site.

Thanks

Arv

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected] > wrote:

Ken,

Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would be Arv:

?? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77310

I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have some pull here:

?? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/2

?? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77283

Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?

Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people communicate.

If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you pull the plug on?

your computer, radio and TV till about this time next year.

Back to the topic:? ?

Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.

Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs

of every African village.?? This Nano + SprinklerValve thing may or may not be the answer,

but seems an effort well worth supporting.?

> My vote is to stay on-topic,

I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in ages.?? ;-)

Jerry, KE7ER

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:

Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits have never been covered here before - I see no reason to start now.

?

Do we want to start debating the suitability of a first-time medical device maker going from blank sheet of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without *any* meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?

?

Typically the goal of international groups such as this one is to remain apolitical and avoid discussions of topics that only affect one region By staying on topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the 2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions didn't belong here either, thought they were arguably Amateur Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group has a specific purpose on it's homepage:

?

"This group exists for constructors of the various BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design and construction including problems, components, modifications and experiences using the rigs."

?

Source:? /g/BITX20

?

My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a uBitx has had some feedback or improvements on the design.

?

Ken, N2VIP

?

There is something call sub groups that has been long ignored Arv.


At 25/03/2020, you wrote:

Gordon

Still thinking about how to manage the "hams working on ventilators"
traffic versus
the rest of the BITX-20 group discussions.? Wonder if it would work
to let the ventilator
traffic continue but keep it under a very specific #topic header.?
This would allow
those who are not interested in ventilating to just mute that topic so
they would
never see it again.? Your thoughts...?

Arv
_._


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Gordon Gibby
<docvacuumtubes@... <mailto:docvacuumtubes@...> > wrote:

Thank you Arv.? ? Probably 35 messages have gone out internal the
group working on the ventilator in the last 24 hours alone.? ?
Two programmers have written working or nearly working code to
improve on the tiny stuff that I wrote; one press release was
authorized; a university PIO has come on line, and three
manufacturers have stepped up to potentially? assist or
manufacture.? ? All of that happened with very little email here
(unless I happened to slip up and sned it to the wrong place and
if so, I apologize) -- and now we are at the point of moving
toward a printed circuit board design and final software.? ?
Some had ASKED for updates on this forum.? ? All of this,
including frantic efforts to find suitable pressure transducers
etc, fervent discussions of legal matters, and safety concerns and
some arguments that were a waste of time...all happened outside
this forum (which was appropriate).? ? 97.1 indicates amateur
radio is to be a RESERVOIR of trained people....and this in
keeping with the outworking of precisely that.? ? Once a
sufficient number became involved, there was no further need to
discuss on this forum (unless by accident I sent the wrong place,
my apologies).

THANKS for all who have volunteered their time and expertise, the
group who started this has been overwhelmed with offers.
Lets hope this does some good.

Gordon Gibby KX4Z



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:49 PM Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...
<mailto:arvid.evans@...>> wrote:


A recent ARRL news post highlighted the BITX20 group effort to
work up a low cost design for a safe ventilator.? ?

These are strange times that might offer an opportunity for
hams to "make a difference".?

My request is for those not interested in this subject to mute
the topic for the next few days.? Work is ongoing to form a
new group to focus directly on this effort.? This will
hopefully move the ventilator messages to that venue.? If
off-topic posts persists after the new group is functioning,
those posts can be moderated and redirected to that group.? ?

I would ask those who are setting up a new info and control
web site for the ventilator project to post a notification
here when their site is up and running.? Once that is done we
can take steps to move ventilator traffic over to that new
discussion site.

Thanks

Arv
_-_


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io
<jgaffke@... <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Ken,

Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would
be Arv:
? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77310

I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have
some pull here:
? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/2
? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77283

Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?

Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people
communicate.
If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you
pull the plug on?
your computer, radio and TV till about this time next year.

Back to the topic:? ?
Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something
fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.
Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at
sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs
of every African village.? This Nano + SprinklerValve
thing may or may not be the answer,
but seems an effort well worth supporting.?

> My vote is to stay on-topic,
I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in ages.? ;-)

Jerry, KE7ER


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:

Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits
have never been covered here before - I see no reason
to start now.
?
Do we want to start debating the suitability of a
first-time medical device maker going from blank sheet
of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without *any*
meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?
?
Typically the goal of international groups such as
this one is to remain apolitical and avoid discussions
of topics that only affect one region By staying on
topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all
repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the
2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions didn't
belong here either, thought they were arguably Amateur
Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group
has a specific purpose on it's groups.io
<> homepage:
?
"This group exists for constructors of the various
BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design
and construction including problems, components,
modifications and experiences using the rigs."
?
Source:? /g/BITX20
?
My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of
the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily
reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a uBitx has
had some feedback or improvements on the design.
?
Ken, N2VIP
?

Vince

Agreed. Now that the ventilator group has formed and is becoming more
active, there does seem to be less need to keep the topic active on the
BITX20 group.

Arv
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 11:22 PM Vince Vielhaber <vev@...
<mailto:vev@...>> wrote:

Not needed. A group was created for it.

Vince.

On 03/25/2020 01:12 AM, Raj vu2zap wrote:
> There is something call sub groups that has been long ignored Arv.
>
>
> At 25/03/2020, you wrote:
>> Gordon
>>
>> Still thinking about how to manage the "hams working on ventilators"
>> traffic versus
>> the rest of the BITX-20 group discussions.? Wonder if it would work
>> to let the ventilator
>> traffic continue but keep it under a very specific #topic header.?
>> This would allow
>> those who are not interested in ventilating to just mute that
topic so
>> they would
>> never see it again.? Your thoughts...?
>>
>> Arv
>> _._
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Gordon Gibby
>> <docvacuumtubes@... <mailto:docvacuumtubes@...>
<mailto:docvacuumtubes@... <mailto:docvacuumtubes@...>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Arv.? ? Probably 35 messages have gone out
internal the
>> group working on the ventilator in the last 24 hours alone.? ?
>> Two programmers have written working or nearly working code to
>> improve on the tiny stuff that I wrote; one press release was
>> authorized; a university PIO has come on line, and three
>> manufacturers have stepped up to potentially? assist or
>> manufacture.? ? All of that happened with very little email here
>> (unless I happened to slip up and sned it to the wrong place and
>> if so, I apologize) -- and now we are at the point of moving
>> toward a printed circuit board design and final software.? ?
>> Some had ASKED for updates on this forum.? ? All of this,
>> including frantic efforts to find suitable pressure transducers
>> etc, fervent discussions of legal matters, and safety
concerns and
>> some arguments that were a waste of time...all happened outside
>> this forum (which was appropriate).? ? 97.1 indicates amateur
>> radio is to be a RESERVOIR of trained people....and this in
>> keeping with the outworking of precisely that.? ? Once a
>> sufficient number became involved, there was no further need to
>> discuss on this forum (unless by accident I sent the wrong place,
>> my apologies).
>>
>> THANKS for all who have volunteered their time and expertise, the
>> group who started this has been overwhelmed with offers.
>> Lets hope this does some good.
>>
>> Gordon Gibby KX4Z
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:49 PM Arv Evans
<arvid.evans@... <mailto:arvid.evans@...>
>> <mailto:arvid.evans@...
<mailto:arvid.evans@...>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A recent ARRL news post highlighted the BITX20 group
effort to
>> work up a low cost design for a safe ventilator.? ?
>>
>> These are strange times that might offer an opportunity for
>> hams to "make a difference".?
>>
>> My request is for those not interested in this subject to
mute
>> the topic for the next few days.? Work is ongoing to form a
>> new group to focus directly on this effort.? This will
>> hopefully move the ventilator messages to that venue.? If
>> off-topic posts persists after the new group is functioning,
>> those posts can be moderated and redirected to that group.? ?
>>
>> I would ask those who are setting up a new info and control
>> web site for the ventilator project to post a notification
>> here when their site is up and running.? Once that is
done we
>> can take steps to move ventilator traffic over to that new
>> discussion site.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Arv
>> _-_
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io
>> <jgaffke@... <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would
>> be Arv:
>> ? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77310
>>
>> I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have
>> some pull here:
>> ? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/2
>> ? ? ? /g/BITX20/message/77283
>>
>> Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?
>>
>> Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people
>> communicate.
>> If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you
>> pull the plug on?
>> your computer, radio and TV till about this time next
year.
>>
>> Back to the topic:? ?
>> Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something
>> fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.
>> Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at
>> sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs
>> of every African village.? This Nano + SprinklerValve
>> thing may or may not be the answer,
>> but seems an effort well worth supporting.?
>>
>> > My vote is to stay on-topic,
>> I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in
ages.? ;-)
>>
>> Jerry, KE7ER
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:
>>
>> Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits
>> have never been covered here before - I see no reason
>> to start now.
>> ?
>> Do we want to start debating the suitability of a
>> first-time medical device maker going from blank
sheet
>> of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without
*any*
>> meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?
>> ?
>> Typically the goal of international groups such as
>> this one is to remain apolitical and avoid
discussions
>> of topics that only affect one region By staying on
>> topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all
>> repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the
>> 2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions
didn't
>> belong here either, thought they were arguably
Amateur
>> Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group
>> has a specific purpose on it's groups.io
<>
>> <> homepage:
>> ?
>> "This group exists for constructors of the various
>> BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design
>> and construction including problems, components,
>> modifications and experiences using the rigs."
>> ?
>> Source:? /g/BITX20
>> ?
>> My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of
>> the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily
>> reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a
uBitx has
>> had some feedback or improvements on the design.
>> ?
>> Ken, N2VIP
>> ?
>>
>>

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