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Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but I
have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is possible to
make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?And to
modify the Bitx20 to Bitx40 is only to modify the Band Pass filter
and de oscillator?Somebody has this modification?

Thanks!

Note that I have 20 spare 10MHz crystals, from my components order. Price is
?2.23 for 10 crystals, plus postage at cost.

73 Hans G0UPL

Hi,

Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but I
have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is possible

to

make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?

this kind of filter can be made with several x-tals.
For SSB usualy x-tals above 10 MHz are used, however, lower is also
possible.
The lower the x-tal frequency, the smaller the capacitors between
the x-tals must be.

modify the Bitx20 to Bitx40 is only to modify the Band Pass filter
and de oscillator?Somebody has this modification?

Because almost everything is broadband, it is possible to make it
for the band you want. Exact details: with a dipper and some
experiments you will find it out!
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

--- In BITX20@..., "felipetanaweb" <felipetanaweb@b...> wrote:

Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but I
have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is possible to
make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?And to
modify the Bitx20 to Bitx40 is only to modify the Band Pass filter
and de oscillator?Somebody has this modification?

Thanks!

Felipe

I first buiilt the BITX20 and am now working on a BITX40 version.
That way I can compare DC voltages and RF & AF signals with a working
unit as I complete the 40 Meter version.

Here are some changes that are being incorporated into my BITX40 as I
modify Farhan's design for 40 Meters, and to fit the contents of my
junk box:

1) I used 10.7 MHz IF transformers from an old AM/FM radio to
build the front-end bandpass circuit. There is a photograph and
schematic of this in the "photos" section of this web forum under my
callsign, K7HKL.
2) Since I am using the original 10 MHz crystal filter design, my
VFO needs to tune 7.0 to 7.3 MHz below the IF frequency. That means
that the VFO range will be from 3.0 to 2.7 MHz. Since that is a bit
lower in frequency than in Farhan's BITX20, the oscillator coil will
need more turns. In my BITX40 version I did not use the BITX20 VFO
design. Instead I am using a PTO (Pearmability Tuned Oscillator)
design that is close to what WA6OTP is selling in kit form ( see
<www.wa6otp.com&#92;pto.htm> for a picture of Jim's design ), but my PTO
is for 3.0 to 2.7 MHz. Using this PTO design for the VFO avoided the
need for the higher voltage (36 V) zener diode and also eliminated the
need for using two separate tuning capacitors (a larger band-set and
the smaller zener fine-tuning capacitor). My VFO capacitors are all
fixed-value with just a small trimmer cap to calibrate the upper band
edge. All tuning adjustments are accomplished with about 30 turns of
the brass screw in the PTO design. If you use a brass screw PTO
please note that the frequency will "increase" as the screw is
inserted into the coil. One negative part of the PTO design is that
the tuning knob will move forward and backward about an inch (2.5
cm)from your front pannel as the frequency is changed. A photo of
this unit in its current state of construction is shown in the photo
section.
3) To test my crystal filter I built the BFO circuit from the
BITX20 design on a separate of circuit board and added the inductor
and variable capacitor in series with the crystal. This gave me a
very stable oscillator that could be tuned across the filter passband
to determine the shape factor. This signal was injected into the
input of the filter and a simple diode & capacitor type RF detector
was used with my voltmeter to measure the output. I do have a
frequency counter so I was able to determine the exact frequency that
was being output by my test oscillator. As the frequency was varied I
was able to plot the output voltage on a sheet of grid paper. I would
assume that you might do something similar in building your filter
using 8 MHz crystals. Remember that the center capacitor in the
filter is double the capacitance of each of the end capacitors. So
you will need 4 capacitors of the same value ( one on each end and two
in parallel in the middle ).
4) In my BITX20 and also in my BITX40 I changed the audio output
circuit from Farhan's original design. Since I usually use headphones
there was no need to have the audio level provided by the LM-386
integrated circuit. I used a simple LM-741 Op-Amp in place of the
LM-386. My op-amp runs a voltage gain of 100 that was achieved by
using a 100K feedback resistor and a 1K input resistor on the
inverting input. I will try to place a schematic of the op-amp
circuit on this web site later today.
Later I did add speaker capability to my BITX20 by building a
separate amplifier (it is in the external speaker case) using an NPN
transistor driving an NPN & PNP pair for about 1/2 watt of audio. I
will try to also add a schematic of that to this web site later today.
5) For the tap washers in Farhan's design I substituted 1/4 inch
wide slices of 1/2 inch (1.25 cm) PVC pipe. These measure about 5/8
inch ID and nearly 3/4 inch OD so they are slightly larger ID than the
tap washers but they worked fine. I already had the plastic pipe so I
did not need to make a trip to the hardware store for the tap washers.
A picture of these PVC coil forms is in the photos section under my
callsign. Note that I cut a slot in the side of my PVC coil forms to
make it easier to wind the inductors. This allows the wire to be
passed through the slot instead of threading each turn through the
center of a closed loop of plastic. Since the PVC does not affect the
magnetic properties of the coil, adding this slot has no affect on the
resulting inductance.

I hope this helps you and others that want to make alterations to
Farhan's excellent design. Like you I needed to make some changes to
accomodate the parts that I already had available for this project.

My BITX40 is not complete yet, but as I finish construction and
testing of each section I will try to post pictures and comments on
this web site. Like I said earlier, it really helps to have a working
BITX20 available for comparison testing with the sections of my BITX40
that are significently different from the original design.

Good luck on your effort,

Arv - K7HKL

On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Arvid Evans wrote:

I first buiilt the BITX20 and am now working on a BITX40 version.
That way I can compare DC voltages and RF & AF signals with a working
unit as I complete the 40 Meter version.

Here are some changes that are being incorporated into my BITX40 as I
modify Farhan's design for 40 Meters, and to fit the contents of my
junk box

Builders are reminded that while the IRF510 final may be a little hard to find and may be a little expensive, many other power FETs will amplify quite nicely on lower frequencies, .

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, some ARRL members performed experiments with power FETs salvaged from switching power supplies. Their results as published in QST indicated that almost everything worked well at 40 meters or below.

Builders are especially reminded that IBM vastly over-engineered and de-rated power supplies for its minicomputers such as the AS/400, and a lot of those are coming onto the surplus market -- or winding up in landfills. These are EXCELLENT sources for builder parts -- with the caveat that lmost every semiconductor is marked with an IBM part number, so you'll need to bin parts as you remove them. The DIP ICs are all useless, except for use as art supplies.

I don't have a lot of experience with Hewlett-Packard minis, but most of the old 3000s, 5000s, and some 9000s should be surfacing soon, for the last gasp before the dust-bin. I **do** have a partial cross-reference for HP-numbered semiconductors, so these ARE worth hanging onto.

I'll post the list to the files section here when I find it. Alas, it's a .gif and I don't feel like typing it into a text file, and the reproduction quality is bad enough that OCR won't read it reliably.

Jim N6OTQ

Hi,
at this moment I spend hours getting the filter working for the IF
frequency of 4.9152 MHz.
It is importand that measurements are done with the circuits
connected, it seems that the load determines the passband a lot.
To have an idea about the functioning of the filter, I connected my
LF generator to the microphone connection. Measuring the output of
Q12 (with an osciloscoop or a mw meter), you see variation of the
output level while variating the LF frequency.
For the filter I made, it learned me that my filter had some peaks
that were not close together. Playing with different capacitor
values took a lot of time but with capacitor values of 68pF, 82pF,
68pF I have peaks at 1052Hz, 1538Hz, 2000Hz (after I also corrected
the coil in the BFO to get the peaks on the right places). With a
mircophone connected, I see output while talking in the microphone.
Between the peaks, the output is not completely down but I think the
filter shape is not flat enough. This weekend, I will play with some
additional serie coils, may be the impedance of the filter is much
higher then the circuit. (I hope the peaks do not shift again ;-( ).
Anyone else suggestions?

By the way, for the ones that want to see it with an analyser: may
be the BFO signal can be connected to both mixers resulting in audio
frequency mix up, filtered and down to LF again. Then a spectrum
analyser can be used with the PC sound card? (pink noise to the
microphone terminal, output of the mixer to the LF sound card input).
Just a thought, not tried.

Lets experiment further!
Chris, PA3CRX

Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but

I

have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is

possible to

make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?>

3) To test my crystal filter I built the BFO circuit from the

BITX20 design on a separate of circuit board and added the inductor
and variable capacitor in series with the crystal. This gave me a
very stable oscillator that could be tuned across the filter

passband

to determine the shape factor. This signal was injected into the
input of the filter and a simple diode & capacitor type RF detector
was used with my voltmeter to measure the output. I do have a
frequency counter so I was able to determine the exact frequency

that

was being output by my test oscillator. As the frequency was

varied I

was able to plot the output voltage on a sheet of grid paper. I

would

assume that you might do something similar in building your filter
using 8 MHz crystals.

Hi Chris,

Hi,
at this moment I spend hours getting the filter working for the IF
frequency of 4.9152 MHz.

Which band are you designing it for? 4.915 is too low for 14MHz SSB and sets
the VFO tuning quite high and prone to QSY/QRH (drifting). As I have read
over there, for SSB IFs over 8MHz are better and set the VFO on lower and
more stable frequencies. Crystals between 8 and 12MHz are easy to get here
in Europe, I can get 8, 8.86, 9.83, 10, 11, 11.059 and 12 for less than 0.75
euros each, there in PA you should be also able to do so...

It is importand that measurements are done with the circuits
connected, it seems that the load determines the passband a lot.
To have an idea about the functioning of the filter, I connected my
LF generator to the microphone connection. Measuring the output of
Q12 (with an osciloscoop or a mw meter), you see variation of the
output level while variating the LF frequency.
For the filter I made, it learned me that my filter had some peaks
that were not close together. Playing with different capacitor
values took a lot of time but with capacitor values of 68pF, 82pF,
68pF I have peaks at 1052Hz, 1538Hz, 2000Hz (after I also corrected
the coil in the BFO to get the peaks on the right places). With a
mircophone connected, I see output while talking in the microphone.
Between the peaks, the output is not completely down but I think the
filter shape is not flat enough. This weekend, I will play with some
additional serie coils, may be the impedance of the filter is much
higher then the circuit. (I hope the peaks do not shift again ;-( ).
Anyone else suggestions?

A way to know the filter shape is to connect a wideband noise generator or a
wobbulator to the filter input, an AM detector (diode and capacitor) to the
output and an oscilloscope (could be a PC audio oscilloscope thru the sound
card) to the AM detector. You'll see the ripple and the bell-like shape of
the filter passband. I have seen images in the net, one of them in the site
of PY2OHH, Miguel, It is in portuguese
but some friends are helping them to translate the pages into english...

By the way, for the ones that want to see it with an analyser: may
be the BFO signal can be connected to both mixers resulting in audio
frequency mix up, filtered and down to LF again. Then a spectrum
analyser can be used with the PC sound card? (pink noise to the
microphone terminal, output of the mixer to the LF sound card input).
Just a thought, not tried.

Lets experiment further!
Chris, PA3CRX

I am not building the BITX, but I am enjoying this list and learning about
it anyway. All the parts but the IRF510 final amplifier are easy to get here
(and I stock most of them) so it is possible I will build it someday...

73, 72 de Juanjo, EA5CHQ-EC5ACA. EA-QRP #104, G-QRP #9742,
QRP-L #1662.

Juanjo Pastor
C/San Roque, 4-1???
46460 Silla
SPAIN

e-mail: ea5chq@...
web:
web del club:
Tel.: +034 96 120 17 67
Movil: 651 35 35 11

Hi Juanjo,

Which band are you designing it for? 4.915 is too low for 14MHz

SSB and sets

the VFO tuning quite high and prone to QSY/QRH (drifting). As I

have read

over there, for SSB IFs over 8MHz are better and set the VFO on

lower and

more stable frequencies.

There are more reasons for making the filter in the range 10 to 12
MHz, one for example is that lower IF x-tal ladder filters are
difficult for SSB, for CW they seems to be great.
My BITX will be for the 18 MHz band so my LO will be in the 13 MHz.
I will try a VXO, covering the whole phone band.

Crystals between 8 and 12MHz are easy to get here
in Europe,

They are also cheap available by one of the group members but (as
mentioned by one of the other group members) some persons have a
kind of brain damage that force us to use what we have. Spending
hours to get some used parts from an old PCB cost ofcourse more then
buying new but now I can say: 'I build this transceiver from scrap
and components that I had collected in the past'.
An other point of view; by using these alternatives, you learn a lot
about parameters and the circuit!
(If I do not get it working the way I want to, may be I will go to
the 10 MHz IF ;-) ).

I am not building the BITX, but I am enjoying this list and

learning about

I appreciate your comments, as mentioned above, search in your junk
box and build your own tranceiver based on the BITX20.

Chris, PA3CRX

Hi Juanjo,

> Which band are you designing it for? 4.915 is too low for 14MHz
SSB and sets
> the VFO tuning quite high and prone to QSY/QRH (drifting). As I
have read
> over there, for SSB IFs over 8MHz are better and set the VFO on
lower and
> more stable frequencies.

There are more reasons for making the filter in the range

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Get it on your mobile phone.

Hello again Chris,

Crystals between 8 and 12MHz are easy to get here
in Europe,

They are also cheap available by one of the group members but (as
mentioned by one of the other group members) some persons have a
kind of brain damage that force us to use what we have. Spending
hours to get some used parts from an old PCB cost ofcourse more then
buying new but now I can say: 'I build this transceiver from scrap
and components that I had collected in the past'.
An other point of view; by using these alternatives, you learn a lot
about parameters and the circuit!
(If I do not get it working the way I want to, may be I will go to
the 10 MHz IF ;-) ).

If you want to follow the "from scrap" route, you'd better use 8.86 MHz
crystals from defunct color TV sets or the 14.318 MHz ones from old and/or
defunct PC motherboards...

I am not building the BITX, but I am enjoying this list and

learning about

I appreciate your comments, as mentioned above, search in your junk
box and build your own tranceiver based on the BITX20.

Chris, PA3CRX

As I said before, I do own almost all of the parts or can get them easily,
the hard one here is the IRF510 but I have a few of them from scrap... I am
into a 40m CW VXO TX, when I end it maybe I will start the 20 meter SSB
project...

73, 72 de Juanjo, EA5CHQ-EC5ACA. EA-QRP #104, G-QRP #9742,
QRP-L #1662.

Juanjo Pastor
C/San Roque, 4-1???
46460 Silla
SPAIN

e-mail: ea5chq@...
web:
web del club:
Tel.: +034 96 120 17 67
Movil: 651 35 35 11