Hi,
I build some parts of the transceiver and tested every part
individualy.
The LF parts works fine (a pitty the schematic is not corrected with
the voltage/output of the lm386). If I add a sinus LF wave to the
microphone terminal, the shape looks simular on the colector.
However, as soon as I connect the coil of the balans mixer to it, it
becomes a-symetrical (one side is going to be clipped).
If I put a lot of LF signal in it (looks heavily distorted, then I
get a maximum output(after the attenuater) of about 0.2 mw. (in 50
ohm). After reducing the LF signal to a point it looks normal, the
output power is very very less....
Did anyone look at the osciloscoop the way I did? Anyone measured
the output?
The distortion I can imagine can be caused by one of the diodes, but
such low output at that moment?
After the next amp (before the x-tal filter, the maximum output is
about 1 mw (in 50 ohm). The reason is that I measure in 50 ohm is
that the load is in the mw. meter.
Thanks in advance for your comments,
Chris PA3CRX

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, vdberghak wrote:

The LF parts works fine (a pitty the schematic is not corrected with
the voltage/output of the lm386).

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan. i have run out
of bandwidth on . ther is no way i can access those
files now. just before i ran out of bandwidth, i did manage to put a
redirect on the home page. yo probably have te BITX20 page directly
bookmarked. which is why you are not being redirected to the new site.

If I add a sinus LF wave to the
microphone terminal, the shape looks simular on the colector.
However, as soon as I connect the coil of the balans mixer to it, it
becomes a-symetrical (one side is going to be clipped).

you need a 10mV signal at the base of the mic. this is usually too low to
be measured with an oscilloscope. your best bet is to actually connect a
mic and speak into it. if you can whistle (keeping your breath away from
the mic), it is a single tone-test. an extended 'aaaa' looks like a
three-tone test to me.

the other side is clipeed, because you note, the diodes in the mixer will
clamp the output through the attentuator. this is an expected behaviour.

If I put a lot of LF signal in it (looks heavily distorted, then I
get a maximum output(after the attenuater) of about 0.2 mw. (in 50
ohm). After reducing the LF signal to a point it looks normal, the
output power is very very less....
Did anyone look at the osciloscoop the way I did? Anyone measured
the output?

it is best to check the balanced modulator on its own first, without the
mic connected. you should be able to null the carrier at mid setting of
the preset and the 22pf trimmer. if that works, then you can move to the
audio stage.

typically, keeping the audio output of the mic amp connected to diode
modulator, you should see similar waveforms at the modulator input (where
the two transformer windings are shorted) and the output (the attentuator
pad) when using the oscilloscope at audio frequencies (keeping the time
base to about 10mSec per div).

as you have pointed out, the distortion is due to the non-linear nature of
the diodes. To measure the RF component alone, you should measure the
output through a hihg pass filter. for quick and dirty measurement,
connecte an RFC across the output of the attenuator and then connected the
oscilloscope.

if you have already made the crystal fitler, it is best that you measure
and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer connected).
there is little that can go wrong in the Q12 and Q11. the only caveat is
that depending upon the exact frequency of the BFO, you might or might not
get SSB. If you are sitting in the middle of the filter's passband, you
will get DSB with audio roll-off at 1-2khz. but the enveolope will be
there to see.

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier that comes
alive first. it gives you a good idea of how things are working.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for the
transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i will post
them soon.

- farhan

The distortion I can imagine can be caused by one of the diodes, but
such low output at that moment?
After the next amp (before the x-tal filter, the maximum output is
about 1 mw (in 50 ohm). The reason is that I measure in 50 ohm is
that the load is in the mw. meter.
Thanks in advance for your comments,
Chris PA3CRX





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Thanks for the additional information.

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan.

I checked again and found
out that point 5 and 6 are stil wrong (not in accordance with the
data sheet, as noticed and posted by someone else).
I connected it correctly but an other person that follows the
schematic can have serious problems.
(if you make adjustments to your site, may be you can also add a
link to this yahoo group?).

The point is that I expected more output after the mixer. I am
always suspicious with that kind of coils (did I take the right one,
did I make the correct connections, is it really working the way it
should be) so I like to check something.

if you have already made the crystal filter, it is best that you

measure

and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer

connected).
I will work on it today and add directly the next stages to
terminate the filter as good as possible. I hope the output will
then be incresed some more otherwise I do not end up with enough
power at the end (or am I pessimistic ;-) ).

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier that

comes

alive first.

The receiver works, while connecting a wire to Q3 I hear a lot more
then with the wire connected to the mixer.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for

the

transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i

will post

them soon.

In general, voltages can be checked easily to find out roughly that
the connections are correct and the correct values resistors are
mounted. Some general clues about what can be expected while
connecting a wire to a point or what voltage can be measured with
simple test gear would make it more complete indeed. May be current
with and without oscilator on (for every stage) will avoid the need
for more test equipment?
Adding too many measurement possibilities may be prevents a lot of
people building the design because they think it is all needed.
Doing the way you do now makes it important for everyone to
understand the circuit resulting in a higher level of radio
amateurs ;-)

Other builders comments?
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

- farhan wrote:

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for the
transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i will
post them soon.

I would welcome test measurements - two days of head scratching so
far! The RX is alive in my rig but not yet kicking! I have a lot of
BFO audible in the output also I have had to bypass the xtal filter
and the band pass filter to get any signal strength.

I'll tell you all this story just for fun. I had no joy with the
band pass filter and nearly threw the rig out of the window. Then I
realised that when I had "made" 2.2 pm out of 5 x 10pf caps I had
them in parralel and not series! Oh boy, the basic mistakes!

I try some more tomorrow.

Mark G0MGX



--- In BITX20@..., "vdberghak" <vdberghak@z...> wrote:

Thanks for the additional information.

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan.

I checked again and

found

out that point 5 and 6 are stil wrong (not in accordance with the
data sheet, as noticed and posted by someone else).
I connected it correctly but an other person that follows the
schematic can have serious problems.
(if you make adjustments to your site, may be you can also add a
link to this yahoo group?).

The point is that I expected more output after the mixer. I am
always suspicious with that kind of coils (did I take the right

one,

did I make the correct connections, is it really working the way

it

should be) so I like to check something.

if you have already made the crystal filter, it is best that you

measure

and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer

connected).
I will work on it today and add directly the next stages to
terminate the filter as good as possible. I hope the output will
then be incresed some more otherwise I do not end up with enough
power at the end (or am I pessimistic ;-) ).

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier

that

comes

alive first.

The receiver works, while connecting a wire to Q3 I hear a lot

more

then with the wire connected to the mixer.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements

for

the

transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i

will post

them soon.

In general, voltages can be checked easily to find out roughly

that

the connections are correct and the correct values resistors are
mounted. Some general clues about what can be expected while
connecting a wire to a point or what voltage can be measured with
simple test gear would make it more complete indeed. May be

current

with and without oscilator on (for every stage) will avoid the

need

for more test equipment?
Adding too many measurement possibilities may be prevents a lot of
people building the design because they think it is all needed.
Doing the way you do now makes it important for everyone to
understand the circuit resulting in a higher level of radio
amateurs ;-)

Other builders comments?
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

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