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suggestions for a graphics display

 

peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
 

? Great Idea to go for graphics display. Let me congratulate the concept.?
if Diamonds are for ever, the display could also be? forever.

The hobbyist might change the rig , he can use his display on? NEW? rig also, and for any other T&M as and when developed.

WE may perhaps keep in mind a display that would be current for next 3 to 4 years.
Regards
vu3zmv


On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:11 PM Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:
peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
 

Sounds like a great idea.

Have you thought of using the?ATSAMD processors?

I'd been looking at processors for an IoT project. Was amazed that the?ATSAMD processors, in many cases, cost less than the ATmega 8 bit processors. When you consider that many of these chips have built in USB support, eliminating the cost of the extra USB chip, that really helps the total cost.?

Maybe you could do a?Raduino board with a surface mount?ATSAMD directly on the board with the pins necessary to drive the display.?

It is also great these processors are supported with the familiar Arduino IDE and libraries. I still love the little Nano boards, though.

Tom, wb6b
 

Thanks Tom, but it's too complicated for me!
What bothers me is that the bitx40 has been bought by everyone and everyone works with flying cables, YouTube is full of videos! My no!
 

Hi Ashhar -- I like the idea of E-ink because of low power consumption.? I don't know if it's useful, but the dude in this video got a 3Hz refresh rate by hacking the firmware for the display:??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsbiO8EAsGw
Jack Purdum
 

Farhan:

There are a bunch of 2.2" (240x320) color display for sale, some under $4. However, most are geared to the Arduino form factor. There is another set of similar displays that use either the I2C or SPI interface, which ups the price to about $6, but reduces the pin count to 5 (sometimes 4). Many also have an SD card reader, but I've not had much reliability with most of these. I'd have to drag out a few projects to find out their current draw and "noisiness". Also, keep in mind that library support is crucial, and displays using the ILI9341 display controller are pretty easy to work with and Adafruit has libraries.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:41:34 AM EST, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:


peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
 

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In my opinion, deciding which display to use for a project is one of the hardest decisions to make.? It turns out to be the answer to a large optimization problem where the variables are complex functions of each other.? You have some of the variables in your list but you forget some of the most important.? You’ve forgotten “display ability”… does the display have the innate hardware to draw a circle, or do you need an outboard processor and 500 lines of code to generate that circle.? This is important for two reasons… it speaks to development cost and overall hardware costs for the display, …and it also speaks to the maintainability of the display if you expect the average ham to tinker with the code after it’s released.? I’ve played with those E-ink displays and they are beautiful… if you are making clocks… but virtually useless for ham projects.? If you think I’m exaggerating, try using one as the display for a watt meter.? Then cast all of the variables in terms of a dollar figure for tradeoff.? Yikes.? I personally will pay a lot extra for a nice display that is fast and easy to program and use… but that’s just me.

?

I suspect there are guys here that have to select displays commercially for projects.? Let’s see what they have to say.

?

MRM

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ashhar Farhan
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 12:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BITX20] suggestions for a graphics display

?

peeps,

?

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:

1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.

2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.

3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.

4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

?

I have tried two options :

A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.

B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

?

Any further ideas?

?

- f


Virus-free.

--

…_. _._
 

Farhan

My direction would probably be more toward or similar style interface and building
a dumb-terminal display to interface at that level.? This makes the display usable for many rigs.?
This would provide a display that will not become obsolete in the near future.? It also provides an
option to use either a PC or specifically designed and built terminal for the display.? Even an old
PC can probably adequately support CAT or similar interface functions.

Arv? K7HKL
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:32 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Farhan:

There are a bunch of 2.2" (240x320) color display for sale, some under $4. However, most are geared to the Arduino form factor. There is another set of similar displays that use either the I2C or SPI interface, which ups the price to about $6, but reduces the pin count to 5 (sometimes 4). Many also have an SD card reader, but I've not had much reliability with most of these. I'd have to drag out a few projects to find out their current draw and "noisiness". Also, keep in mind that library support is crucial, and displays using the ILI9341 display controller are pretty easy to work with and Adafruit has libraries.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:41:34 AM EST, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:


peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
Jack Purdum
 

Arv, Farhan:

I would also like to see a CAT interface, probably based on the Kenwood protocol, as it seems pretty common for "external" control. However, I don't want to see that be the only display option. I plan on using mine on vacations and don't want to be forced to take along a laptop if I don't need to. (The XYL knows that taking a laptop means checking email, which doesn't make her a happy camper.)

Jack, W8TEE


On Friday, February 15, 2019, 12:00:15 PM EST, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Farhan

My direction would probably be more toward or similar style interface and building
a dumb-terminal display to interface at that level.? This makes the display usable for many rigs.?
This would provide a display that will not become obsolete in the near future.? It also provides an
option to use either a PC or specifically designed and built terminal for the display.? Even an old
PC can probably adequately support CAT or similar interface functions.

Arv? K7HKL
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:32 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Farhan:

There are a bunch of 2.2" (240x320) color display for sale, some under $4. However, most are geared to the Arduino form factor. There is another set of similar displays that use either the I2C or SPI interface, which ups the price to about $6, but reduces the pin count to 5 (sometimes 4). Many also have an SD card reader, but I've not had much reliability with most of these. I'd have to drag out a few projects to find out their current draw and "noisiness". Also, keep in mind that library support is crucial, and displays using the ILI9341 display controller are pretty easy to work with and Adafruit has libraries.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:41:34 AM EST, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:


peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
 

Jack & Farhan

I was thinking more about making the default display in a BITX detachable so it could
be used for other rigs.? This would not be as large as a laptop or desktop PC.? Maybe
something the size of a cell phone (or just software on a cell phone) or size of one of the
smaller tablet computers (or just software on a small tablet computer).? This could open the
door for other enterprising individuals to enter the ham radio kit business by designing and
building a standardized (CAT Protocol) display unit.? Same display could also support
test equipment.

Arv
_._


On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Arv, Farhan:

I would also like to see a CAT interface, probably based on the Kenwood protocol, as it seems pretty common for "external" control. However, I don't want to see that be the only display option. I plan on using mine on vacations and don't want to be forced to take along a laptop if I don't need to. (The XYL knows that taking a laptop means checking email, which doesn't make her a happy camper.)

Jack, W8TEE


On Friday, February 15, 2019, 12:00:15 PM EST, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Farhan

My direction would probably be more toward or similar style interface and building
a dumb-terminal display to interface at that level.? This makes the display usable for many rigs.?
This would provide a display that will not become obsolete in the near future.? It also provides an
option to use either a PC or specifically designed and built terminal for the display.? Even an old
PC can probably adequately support CAT or similar interface functions.

Arv? K7HKL
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:32 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Farhan:

There are a bunch of 2.2" (240x320) color display for sale, some under $4. However, most are geared to the Arduino form factor. There is another set of similar displays that use either the I2C or SPI interface, which ups the price to about $6, but reduces the pin count to 5 (sometimes 4). Many also have an SD card reader, but I've not had much reliability with most of these. I'd have to drag out a few projects to find out their current draw and "noisiness". Also, keep in mind that library support is crucial, and displays using the ILI9341 display controller are pretty easy to work with and Adafruit has libraries.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:41:34 AM EST, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:


peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
Jack Purdum
 

Arv:

OK...not what I was thinking of since many CAT programs require a mouse/keyboard to work. So, perhaps, just a TFT (or whatever) display in a case with a ribbon cable going to the rig.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 12:33:30 PM EST, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Jack & Farhan

I was thinking more about making the default display in a BITX detachable so it could
be used for other rigs.? This would not be as large as a laptop or desktop PC.? Maybe
something the size of a cell phone (or just software on a cell phone) or size of one of the
smaller tablet computers (or just software on a small tablet computer).? This could open the
door for other enterprising individuals to enter the ham radio kit business by designing and
building a standardized (CAT Protocol) display unit.? Same display could also support
test equipment.

Arv
_._


On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Arv, Farhan:

I would also like to see a CAT interface, probably based on the Kenwood protocol, as it seems pretty common for "external" control. However, I don't want to see that be the only display option. I plan on using mine on vacations and don't want to be forced to take along a laptop if I don't need to. (The XYL knows that taking a laptop means checking email, which doesn't make her a happy camper.)

Jack, W8TEE


On Friday, February 15, 2019, 12:00:15 PM EST, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Farhan

My direction would probably be more toward or similar style interface and building
a dumb-terminal display to interface at that level.? This makes the display usable for many rigs.?
This would provide a display that will not become obsolete in the near future.? It also provides an
option to use either a PC or specifically designed and built terminal for the display.? Even an old
PC can probably adequately support CAT or similar interface functions.

Arv? K7HKL
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:32 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=[email protected]> wrote:
Farhan:

There are a bunch of 2.2" (240x320) color display for sale, some under $4. However, most are geared to the Arduino form factor. There is another set of similar displays that use either the I2C or SPI interface, which ups the price to about $6, but reduces the pin count to 5 (sometimes 4). Many also have an SD card reader, but I've not had much reliability with most of these. I'd have to drag out a few projects to find out their current draw and "noisiness". Also, keep in mind that library support is crucial, and displays using the ILI9341 display controller are pretty easy to work with and Adafruit has libraries.

Jack, W8TEE

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:41:34 AM EST, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:


peeps,

i am thinking of a graphics display for the bitx radios. here is the shopping list of ideas:
1, Ubiquitous : We should be able to source it from multiple sources and multiple countries with ease.
2. Low cost: The bitx40 costs 50 dollars to make. We can't tie it to a display alone that costs $20s.
3. RF friendly: Many of these display are very noisy.
4. Current consumption. We should be able to handle this with a few milliamps.

I have tried two options :
A) 128x64 LCD display. The common one uses the KS0108 display that needs about 11 pins. Which means, we will have to dedicate one ATMEGA328P as a 'display controller' that runs over a TTL serial line. That way, a single TTL line can be used to control the display. I have, at the moment, a display of this sort running where you can give send text message like "text 20,30, Hello world" or "rect 10,10,100,50". It seems to be a reasonable solution. It can even display the waterfall. The current consumotion is about 10 ma without the backlight. A 2N7000 turns the backlight on and off.
B) E-ink display. I have used modules from waveshare. The display is to die for. It does everything, costs a little more, however, alas, the display update time is lagging. You turn the knob and wait for the frequency to update. I haven't given up on it yet, I hope there is some breakthrough and we can get the frequency updated in real-time. If the frequency can be updated, then even the S meter would work.?

Any further ideas?

- f
Robert McClements
 

How about something like an evolution of the Android application Pocket RxTx from Dan Toma YO3GGX using a simple HC-06 Bluetooth com port?in the transceiver working with the existing cat commands.?

Bob GM4CID
 

Other than being too expensive for the mass audience and too slow, ePaper is very interesting to me.? Adafruit has a breakout board I've had my eye on
--

 

Hi,

Here is a video explaining how to speed up the refresh rate on an ePaper display.



Are there any production (not random surplus) ePaper displays that are low cost? I'd looked into ePaper for an IoT project, but saw mostly displays that were too high priced for the project with a few low cost, but tiny, displays here and there. Not certain how a display that seems to be intrinsically high cost (possibility the technology is all from a single manufacture), can also be made by a few low cost manufactures.

The red/black/white displays look really great.
?
Tom, wb6b
 

Another possibility would be to forget the display (or have just a minimal display) on the radio and make the radio a BLE device. That way any smartphone could be the display and control.?

Tom, wb6b
 

Hi Ash,

I vote for a Nokia 5110 display, they are plentiful and low noise and cheap too.

Joel
N6ALT
 

Tom

Have to admit that it was necessary for me to Google "BLE" to find that it just means
Blue-tooth Low Energy.? That is interesting, and provides input for more thought and
possibilities.? Maybe use the nth harmonic of a fairly low frequency crystal and add?
the necessary frequency hopping by warping the crystal oscillations with a varactor...?

BLE, or something similar, could provide the physical and data format part of a Phone-
to-radio link.? We would still need the control application on the phone and a matching
control implementation on the ham radio equipment, but there are already some CAT
style interfaces for cell phones.? Making them work over wireless BLE is an interesting
approach.?



Arv
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:27 PM Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote:
Another possibility would be to forget the display (or have just a minimal display) on the radio and make the radio a BLE device. That way any smartphone could be the display and control.?

Tom, wb6b

 

Jack,
The tft displays are a plenty, however, their supply is erratic and the quality ranges from superb to unknown. There is the matter of noise emission and current consumption too. After aruging for every milliamp on the RF side, it would be a travesty to give up all of it on the display.

Doug and others,
I am continuing to investigate the e-ink. I have two displays, both from waveshare with me. One is a 2.9 inch display and the other is a 1.54 inch display. Lets see, it appears to be that if the display coulf offer 3 updates of tuning frequency per second, we'd be home.

Arv,
Thanks for the sugesstion for CAT. A CAT lile protocol that does more is needed. Given the plethora of modes that we run these days, CAT should have retired 20 years ago. It can't even send morse code or turn the beam, leave alone 'decode psk31 at 1200 hz'.?

Given my personal inclination, i am still tempted for the geneic 128x64 monochrome LCD display where i can switch the backlight off and on. The display is available to builders in Bangladesh as well as Sacramento. Unfortunately, it is not pimped enough. It is bland. Somewhat like the K3 display.

Let me play with the tft displays today and measure the current and noise.

- f

On Sat 16 Feb, 2019, 7:44 AM Arv Evans <arvid.evans@... wrote:
Tom

Have to admit that it was necessary for me to Google "BLE" to find that it just means
Blue-tooth Low Energy.? That is interesting, and provides input for more thought and
possibilities.? Maybe use the nth harmonic of a fairly low frequency crystal and add?
the necessary frequency hopping by warping the crystal oscillations with a varactor...?

BLE, or something similar, could provide the physical and data format part of a Phone-
to-radio link.? We would still need the control application on the phone and a matching
control implementation on the ham radio equipment, but there are already some CAT
style interfaces for cell phones.? Making them work over wireless BLE is an interesting
approach.?



Arv
_._



On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:27 PM Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote:
Another possibility would be to forget the display (or have just a minimal display) on the radio and make the radio a BLE device. That way any smartphone could be the display and control.?

Tom, wb6b

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 06:14 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
necessary for me to Google "BLE"
Yes, I should have specified what BLE meant. Your links are interesting, thanks.

The main reason for Bluetooth Low Energy over regular Bluetooth is it works with iPhons as well as Androids.?

Tom, wb6b
 

The XYL knows that taking a laptop means checking email, which doesn't make her a happy camper.
That's the truth, sames as me. Your XYL only reflects the reality, Jack. As long you're dealing with your e-mail, you are not in the real world and there is no recreation.

Full ack to your statement. I'd prefer also having a display.

73, Jens/DH1AKY

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