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Github's future?


Vince Vielhaber
 

Microsoft¡¯s Open Source Coup: It¡¯s Buying GitHub for $7.5 Billion



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Bo Barry
 

Ouch! Then they can snatch GOOD programs to use and sell for free? Except for their buying price??


 

This can't be good:-(

Joel
N6ALT


 

Nothing good, for the consumer, has EVER come from a Microsoft acquisition!


 

Agreed, not good.? Anyone aware of an alternate platform for sharing code?


 

Microshaft, more control for them less choice for us just what they say we can have. Monopoly !!
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There are several other on-line version-control systems.? Some are free and others
charge high prices for their use.? Some have potential for BITX code development
work, and some less appropriate.?
Those of us using Linux already have local RCS and VCS that was migrated from ancient
UNIX tools.? CVCS (Concurrent Version Control System) is also available on Linux systems.
Some of the readily available IDE packages also include either RCS or CVS tools.? Of course
these are local solutions, but they could be made accessible to others via a shared file
system on cloud-computing servers.

If the Microsoft purchase of GitHub does become a problem then we might want to look at
some of these alternatives.?

It might be interesting to approach the people who made and support to see if they
could include some sort of version control as an option for groups that are interesting in code
development..

Arv
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Joel Caulkins <caulktel@...> wrote:
This can't be good:-(

Joel
N6ALT


Bo Barry
 

Google has or had something


 

Git was written by Linus to deal with the millions of lines of code in the linux kernel
when changes are simultaneously being created by hundreds (thousands?) of coders.?
Git is free and open source, we could install it on any machine we wish.
Or could, as Arv points out, use some other version control system.

Github happens to be a convenient place to go when archiving projects under git
that has been trusted by open source coders over the years.??
That might change as M$oft tries to earn back it's $7,500,000,000 investment (and more).
I now have zero interest in parking anything up on github.

For the thousand or so lines of code on a uBitx, zip archives in the uBitx files section
are sufficient.? With a teensy or RasberryPi being used, that could also change.
Some will find the need to use tools that help keep track of differences between
the various versions of code as the code base expands, even if only one coder
is involved.? I've seldom felt the need.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 02:45 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
There are several other on-line version-control systems.? Some are free and others
charge high prices for their use.? Some have potential for BITX code development
work, and some less appropriate.?
Those of us using Linux already have local RCS and VCS that was migrated from ancient
UNIX tools.? CVCS (Concurrent Version Control System) is also available on Linux systems.
Some of the readily available IDE packages also include either RCS or CVS tools.? Of course
these are local solutions, but they could be made accessible to others via a shared file
system on cloud-computing servers.

If the Microsoft purchase of GitHub does become a problem then we might want to look at
some of these alternatives.?

It might be interesting to approach the people who made and support to see if they
could include some sort of version control as an option for groups that are interesting in code
development..
?
Arv
_._


 

Jerry

As I get even older I find that some sort of revision control system is needed in order
to do any code work.? I use CVCS on Linux to tell me when I last worked on a coding
project, what changes I made at that time, and then check-out the latest version for
continued work.? I can remember code I wrote at Bell Labs in 1980, but not what I
wrote for my Raduino last week.? Getting old is difficult and frustrating.? 8-(

Arv
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:02 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
Git was written by Linus to deal with the millions of lines of code in the linux kernel
when changes are simultaneously being created by hundreds (thousands?) of coders.?
Git is free and open source, we could install it on any machine we wish.
Or could, as Arv points out, use some other version control system.

Github happens to be a convenient place to go when archiving projects under git
that has been trusted by open source coders over the years.??
That might change as M$oft tries to earn back it's $7,500,000,000 investment (and more).
I now have zero interest in parking anything up on github.

For the thousand or so lines of code on a uBitx, zip archives in the uBitx files section
are sufficient.? With a teensy or RasberryPi being used, that could also change.
Some will find the need to use tools that help keep track of differences between
the various versions of code as the code base expands, even if only one coder
is involved.? I've seldom felt the need.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 02:45 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
There are several other on-line version-control systems.? Some are free and others
charge high prices for their use.? Some have potential for BITX code development
work, and some less appropriate.?
Those of us using Linux already have local RCS and VCS that was migrated from ancient
UNIX tools.? CVCS (Concurrent Version Control System) is also available on Linux systems.
Some of the readily available IDE packages also include either RCS or CVS tools.? Of course
these are local solutions, but they could be made accessible to others via a shared file
system on cloud-computing servers.

If the Microsoft purchase of GitHub does become a problem then we might want to look at
some of these alternatives.?

It might be interesting to approach the people who made and support to see if they
could include some sort of version control as an option for groups that are interesting in code
development..
?
Arv
_._


 

Raspberry Pi used CVS until fairly recently for Xastir. It's mostly having a collaboration point - the Git mechanism for distribution is pretty much independent.
Dex, ZL2DEX


 

Arv,

Being an anarchist by nature, I wing it.
Before making changes, I save to a zip archive of everything I care about, named perhaps ubitxjg37.zip
Then I create a new header at the top of the main file with the date, perhaps ubitxjg38:? 2018-6-4
and add comments below that header as I adjust the code.?

When I'm ready for other people to look at it, I review all those comments and make sure nothing
is still outstanding, then remove all of it, leave only comments that are current.
Call the whole thing revision 1.0 and send it out.

Never have really figured out git in a serious way.
Don't intend to.
? ??

Jerry, KE7ER? ?(just now up from his nap)



On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 03:17 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
As I get even older I find that some sort of revision control system is needed in order
to do any code work.? I use CVCS on Linux to tell me when I last worked on a coding
project, what changes I made at that time, and then check-out the latest version for
continued work.? I can remember code I wrote at Bell Labs in 1980, but not what I
wrote for my Raduino last week.? Getting old is difficult and frustrating.? 8-(


 

Github is a platform to serve advertisements to software developers.? The price they pay to advertise is providing free project hosting.? Microsoft would have to be pretty foolish to screw it up.? If they alienate developers they lose their ad revenue.? The mass migration away from Sourceforge a while back should serve as a cautionary tale to them.

73 Mike
KK7ER


 

Given what I've seen of them these last 40 years, I'm sure they are quite capable.
Jerry


On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 04:44 pm, <groupio@...> wrote:
Microsoft would have to be pretty foolish to screw it up


 

I hear you there, Arv.

I remember trying to convince my boss to institute revision control in 2 different jobs. I'd been using RCS for a while on my own, but both bosses were the kind that wouldn't let you use "shareware" or "freeware" for work. Neither believed that something free, written by just some guy and not a big software company, could POSSIBLY work properly, and if it did, it certainly wouldn't get updated if you found a bug.

I used Pegasus Mail personally. When I found a bug in it, I sent a bug report to the creator. Later that afternoon, he released a new version with the fix in it. Total elapsed time from report to revision: 4.5 hours. I pointed this out to both of my bosses, and asked how long they'd have to wait for a bug fix in some Microsoft product. 2 hours? 3 hours? Or would they be lucky to see a new version that actually fixed that bug sometime within the next six months...or at all.

You're right. Damn, I feel old.


 

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:55 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
Arv,

Being an anarchist by nature, I wing it.
Before making changes, I save to a zip archive of everything I care about, named perhaps ubitxjg37.zip
Then I create a new header at the top of the main file with the date, perhaps ubitxjg38:? 2018-6-4
and add comments below that header as I adjust the code.?

When I'm ready for other people to look at it, I review all those comments and make sure nothing
is still outstanding, then remove all of it, leave only comments that are current.
Call the whole thing revision 1.0 and send it out.

Never have really figured out git in a serious way.
Don't intend to.
? ??

Jerry, KE7ER? ?(just now up from his nap)



On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 03:17 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
As I get even older I find that some sort of revision control system is needed in order
to do any code work.? I use CVCS on Linux to tell me when I last worked on a coding
project, what changes I made at that time, and then check-out the latest version for
continued work.? I can remember code I wrote at Bell Labs in 1980, but not what I
wrote for my Raduino last week.? Getting old is difficult and frustrating.? 8-(


 

I certainly would not change from Git. It is a standard that is not tied to GitHub.

I also have an account on BitBucket??BitBucket and GitHub both have free accounts. GitHub bases their paid accounts on the number of repositories, BitBucket on the number of users. Often companies I do consulting for have BitBucket accounts rather GitHub accounts. BitBucket seems to have features that bigger organizations like.?

Microsoft does not seem as evil as they were in the past, but as big companies start buying and consolidating things, and the internet just becomes more of an extension of your cable company and the entertainment industry, the shape of the open internet and open source could change over time. But, that is likely a long way off.

If GitHub becomes an undesirable place to host projects, other companies will will respond with new offerings.

Tom, wb6b





 

Corporations are not evil, they're indifferent. That makes them quite dangerous indeed. Microsoft hasn't changed all that much from their adopted philosophy of "embrace, extend and extinguish" since the 90's. If you do a little research, you'll find that most of the corporations have pretty much that same bias. If there's competition, eliminate it. If it's a small start-up, all the more so.

How's that Skype working for you?
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On Monday, June 4, 2018 11:18 PM, "Tom, wb6b" <wb6b@...> wrote:


I certainly would not change from Git. It is a standard that is not tied to GitHub.

I also have an account on BitBucket??BitBucket and GitHub both have free accounts. GitHub bases their paid accounts on the number of repositories, BitBucket on the number of users. Often companies I do consulting for have BitBucket accounts rather GitHub accounts. BitBucket seems to have features that bigger organizations like.?

Microsoft does not seem as evil as they were in the past, but as big companies start buying and consolidating things, and the internet just becomes more of an extension of your cable company and the entertainment industry, the shape of the open internet and open source could change over time. But, that is likely a long way off.

If GitHub becomes an undesirable place to host projects, other companies will will respond with new offerings.

Tom, wb6b







 

Fortunately, the way git (the software used by github) is structured, it doesn't really need a server! git is a distributed source control system. that said, it does have? server mode that can quickly be setup anywhere on even a raspberry pi.?
If Microsoft makes any controversial move, I can see the repositories quickly move away from them. That said, I am not sure that they have the lee-way to do much in terms of changing licensing of the hosted repositories.

- f

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Thomas Sharka via Groups.Io <sharkatw@...> wrote:
Corporations are not evil, they're indifferent. That makes them quite dangerous indeed. Microsoft hasn't changed all that much from their adopted philosophy of "embrace, extend and extinguish" since the 90's. If you do a little research, you'll find that most of the corporations have pretty much that same bias. If there's competition, eliminate it. If it's a small start-up, all the more so.

How's that Skype working for you?
?


Sent from Yahoo Mail.


On Monday, June 4, 2018 11:18 PM, "Tom, wb6b" <wb6b@...> wrote:


I certainly would not change from Git. It is a standard that is not tied to GitHub.

I also have an account on BitBucket??BitBucket and GitHub both have free accounts. GitHub bases their paid accounts on the number of repositories, BitBucket on the number of users. Often companies I do consulting for have BitBucket accounts rather GitHub accounts. BitBucket seems to have features that bigger organizations like.?

Microsoft does not seem as evil as they were in the past, but as big companies start buying and consolidating things, and the internet just becomes more of an extension of your cable company and the entertainment industry, the shape of the open internet and open source could change over time. But, that is likely a long way off.

If GitHub becomes an undesirable place to host projects, other companies will will respond with new offerings.

Tom, wb6b








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On 06/04/2018 10:02 PM, Ashhar Farhan wrote:
Fortunately, the way git (the software used by github) is structured, it doesn't really need a server! git is a distributed source control system. that said, it does have? server mode that can quickly be setup anywhere on even a raspberry pi.?
If Microsoft makes any controversial move, I can see the repositories quickly move away from them. That said, I am not sure that they have the lee-way to do much in terms of changing licensing of the hosted repositories.

- f

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Thomas Sharka via Groups.Io <sharkatw@...> wrote:
Corporations are not evil, they're indifferent. That makes them quite dangerous indeed. Microsoft hasn't changed all that much from their adopted philosophy of "embrace, extend and extinguish" since the 90's. If you do a little research, you'll find that most of the corporations have pretty much that same bias. If there's competition, eliminate it. If it's a small start-up, all the more so.

How's that Skype working for you?
?


Sent from Yahoo Mail.


On Monday, June 4, 2018 11:18 PM, "Tom, wb6b" <wb6b@...> wrote:


I certainly would not change from Git. It is a standard that is not tied to GitHub.

I also have an account on BitBucket??BitBucket and GitHub both have free accounts. GitHub bases their paid accounts on the number of repositories, BitBucket on the number of users. Often companies I do consulting for have BitBucket accounts rather GitHub accounts. BitBucket seems to have features that bigger organizations like.?

Microsoft does not seem as evil as they were in the past, but as big companies start buying and consolidating things, and the internet just becomes more of an extension of your cable company and the entertainment industry, the shape of the open internet and open source could change over time. But, that is likely a long way off.

If GitHub becomes an undesirable place to host projects, other companies will will respond with new offerings.

Tom, wb6b








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