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Modifying Bitx40 BPF band pass filter
Hi all, I am building the Bitx40 dead bug style. Basically changing the Bitx20 and using a different BPF, VFO frequency and low pass filter. For the BPF I used the design shown on the hfsigs website. Instead of T30-6 I used three T37-6 I had lying around, added 5 extra turns (45 in total) on each toroid which came to 6 uH as well. It turns out the signal peaks at around 7.550 MHz which is too high in frequency.? What would be the best way to lower the center frequency of this filter? I have the toroids covered in glue so if it is possible by addjusting the capacitor values only. If the filter becomes wider that would not be a problem at all. I use an IF of 10 MHz and a VFO of 17 so there will not be many harmonics in the 40 meter band. I would appreciate it if someone can point me in the right direction. Thanks, PH0KKO |
PH0KKO You can change the BPF filter center frequency by just changing the capacitors, but there is a potential problem.? As the capacitance gets higher the filter bandwidth gets narrower.? You can see this action by emulating the filter in LTSpice circuit simulator.? It may be that you only need to add a small amount of capacitance and the filter bandwidth will remain within usable range.? It may be possible to still add turns to the existing toroids.? If you can poke a small hole through the glue you might be able to add a turn or so in series with existing windings.? This might not look pretty but it should be functional.? It is possible to manually measure filter bandwidth if you have a stable oscillator that will tune over the frequency range.? Add a 6db pad on input and output to maintain proper terminating impedance and use a detector and DC meter to monitor output versus input over the filter bandwidth.? You may want to convert resulting measurements into db instead of volts. Hope some of this helps. Arv? K7HKL _._ On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 5:36 PM, <kaapstad1@...> wrote:
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Thanks Arv. I only have an old oscilloscope and I use an Arduino/AD9850 combination (which will become my VFO later) as a signal generator. That' s how I tried to determine how the BPF was doing. I guess you are right, adding one or two turns might be best. But I did not take input or output impedance in accounts so that could affect the properties of the filter as well. I kept my BFO at 3 kHz *below* the IF frequency but by using a VFO of 17 MHz the mixer should convert the LSB signals into USB and vise versa on TX. So my main concern is the CB 27 MHz band. If you know of a simpler (wider) BPF for 40 meters, please let me know. I will experiment with LTspice, have not used it before. Appreciate your response... Fokko PH0KKO |
Fokko PH0KKO There is a small learning curve to be overcome when first using LTSpice, but well worth the effort if you want to run circuit simulations without having to wire the real thing.? I have used it for filter evaluation and it does seem to do quite well.? If you include the amplifier circuits preceding and following the BPF you don't have to worry about impedances going through the BPF in simulations. Older oscilloscopes may, or man not, not work at higher RF frequencies.? A quick test with that AD9850 should show you how high in frequency yours can go.? Yes, input and output impedance does play a significant role in filter passband and shape factor.? Sometimes just duplicating the drive and driven parts of the circuit works well, but if you already know the impedance the circuit presents to each end of the filter you can use a simple pad or attenuator to set the impedance for testing.? I'm assuming you might be building from the original BITX20 schematic.? If so you might want to look at the BPF used in the QRP-Kits BITX20A circuit.? That design has a T-pad between the two filter halves to help maintain impedance between them and because we found that the shape factor was good with just two LC sections. This also reduced insertion loss, so gave a bit more receive gain. When converting an existing BPF from one band to another you can calculate the impedance at center-point of the original frequency range.? Then calculate the component value that will provide the same impedance at the new frequency.? This method maintains the same impedance for the filter at the new frequency and hopefully the same bandwidth and shape factor. Other BPF designs that might be interesting include: Arv? K7HKL _._ On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:03 AM, <kaapstad1@...> wrote:
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Arv, Thank you very much for responding is such great detail to my question. I am not an experienced home brewer but like experimenting a lot and I will definately have a go at LTspice. The scope I use is an old Hameg and goes up to 30 MHz, the left side of the screen does not work and there is probably something wrong with the deflection yoke but I never had the time to take a look at it. I got it for free, it (kinda) works and I can see sine waves, great. But after building the mixer module the audio signal in rx mode is as good as gone and the speaker is silent. I assumed there must be a great signal loss in the mixer and after building the third bidirectional amp, located between the BPF and mixer, and attaching the Arduino/AD9850 as VFO I can hear some very faint CW signals around 7.050 MHz on a piece of wire. The AD9850 has an output of only 200 mV peak-peak around 17 MHz but the signal is amplified in the ring mixer. I checked, double and triple checked but I think I wired everything correctly in the mixer so maybe this great amount of loss could be normal. But I am surprised the 3rd bi-amp does not compensate for that. Third bi-amp: Meanwhile I will dig through all the info in the links you provided. Maybe only two LC circuits would work best for the BPF. Or modify the original filter for 40 meters as described here: Thanks! Fokko ? |
Not sure what you mean by "the signal is amplified in the ring mixer"
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Diode ring mixers are lossy. If the ring mixer is just diodes and? trifilar toroids for the transformers as on the uBitx. it's going to take a lot more than 200mV pk-pk from the local oscillator to work efficiently. If you are using schottky diodes, something capable of enough power to deliver a 1 V pk-pk square wave into 50 ohms.? If using 1n4148 diodes, perhaps double that. Injection of 200 mV pk-pk would fully explain a very weak receiver. Jerry, KE7ER On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 04:52 pm, <kaapstad1@...> wrote: The AD9850 has an output of only 200 mV peak-peak around 17 MHz but the signal is amplified in the ring mixer. |
Thank for your input Jerry. I may not have explained it very well. Yes, the ring mixer is lossy and the 200 mV sine coming from the AD9850 is pretty low at those higher frequencies. That is why, in the design I use, the ring mixer module has an extra 2N3904 buffer/amp stage which is not in Farhan's original design. Take a look at this schematic if you will. The 2N3904 seems to be used as a buffer stage before it enters the ring mixer. Maybe the signal is not amplified at all, only buffered. My knowledge is too limited. If so: it there an easy way to modify the circuit so it amplifies it a bit? |
The diode ring mixer needs more than 0.6 V so as the diodes will conduct. Positive and negative cycles of oscillator will make one pare of the diodes switch on and conduct in one and then other pair. and allow the RF from the mixer to go to the IF and so on. You are giving only 0.2 V to the diode mixer so it is not working and you are? not getting any thing. The buffer amplifier comes in to picture here witch boosts the VFO to the? required 0.6 V On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:47 AM, <kaapstad1@...> wrote:
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Fokko If you suspect the BPF, try disconnecting it and bypassing it with a 100 pf capacitor. This will get you lots of unwanted signals as well as the desirable ones but it will tell you if the problem is really with the BPF or in some other area. You are not alone in building the BITX in a modular fashion. Hans G0UPL built one of the earliest BITX20's using small PCB modules connected via a motherboard arrangement. Arv _._ On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:52 PM, <kaapstad1@...> wrote:
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Thanks Satish, John and Arv. I did not have the BPF connected at the time of experimenting. But it would probably lower the signal even more. So it's best to get a strong signal before I attempt modifying the BPF. Satish makes a very good point, there is a 0.2 V loss in the 1N4841 diodes of course. Why did I not think of that myself? I did pass the exam but it's been a while. ;) I will try John's suggestion and crank up the signal a bit to around 0.6Vp-p. Will post here how it turned out. Arv, I use small pieces of (leftover) copper clad board, about 2.5 x 4 cm in size, around 1 by 2 inch per module and simply solder the components on dead bug style. I cut some small squares and glue them on as solder-islands where needed. The modular approach is great because you can test them individually. When I get to the final I will need a slightly bigger board and when everything is finished I will put all small prints on a larger board. Maybe put some 12V, TX and RX rails on it and I will call it the motherboard as well. |
Quick update: I tried John's suggestion and changed R29 in 47 ohms. There were no voice stations but the CW stations became much more audible so it was a clear improvement. Still the audio level was very low. It seemed the 3rd amp behind the mixer was not amplifying enough. According to my cheap Chinese component tester C29 (coupling to the BPF) was unknown or defective. So I replace it with a new capacitor and presto: huge audio signal !!! It is past midnight over here so the band has gone quiet, so I will have to do some more fine tuning tomorrow. I intend to replace R29 with a 50 ohm trimpot so I can adjust the signal at the exact right level. Thank you all! Now I can focus on the BPF.? |
Final update: I restored the resistor values to their original sate and instead added an amp stage (half of Bitx bidirectional amp) and that gave me a much stronger (+15 dB) and more stable DDS/VFO signal. Instead of adding windings to the toroids in the BPF I increased the the capacitance of the 3 tuned circuits in the BPF to 125 pF (instead of the 100 pF in the original design) and that placed the 7.000 to 7.200 exactly in the peak of the filter. It was a matter of trial and error but got it working. BPF is perfect now. Thanks all! |