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Anyone got a ZBitX or SBitX connected to the Internet?
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Howdy,
Long shot, probably, but wondering if anyone has a Z- or SBitX that is either online or can be put online at some prearranged time? Essentially, I’d really like to see how usable the web interface is with either a Mac or Windows screen reader, for use until we can somehow get a talking local interface. Likely as not I’ll get one or the other of ‘em to play with sometime this year. Give me a good excuse to try and learn something useful and maybe scratch that building itch. ... -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA Email: buddy@... Mobile: (814) 431-0962 |
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Tricky, as most people have a home internet router, so the external IP address will be that. The method will be to use port forwarding. They port-forward a random port (say 3000) to <sBitx LAN IP>:22 (I think) inside their home router. The router should also probably static allocate the LAN IP. Then you use "ssh -X -l pi <router WAN IP>:3000 sbitx/sbitx" to remote in. An sbitx window will pop up on your Mac. (I've only done this on Linux, but it should work on a Mac). This is what needs to be done when one has an internet router in one's shack and wants to operate remote from a comfy bedroom.
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-- ww6x On Fri, Jan 31, 2025, at 11:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
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No, assuming your shack and 'comfy bedroom' are behind the same home router, port forwarding is not required. Port forwarding is required to access your device behind the home router from the public Internet outside your home (like a coffee shop).
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Ken, N2VIP
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If you use a free piece of software called tailscale, you would not need to port forward and be still be able to acess your your sbitz Anytime, anywhere. If you use a pc or Mac,? just install tailscale on them ... no setup For your phone just install the android or IOS version. Next install the Linux version on zbitx ?Once done your tailscale devices will see all your tailscale devices and provide a url as well and an internet level ip.. free Basically, it makes all your devices , Including your phone [ if you put tailscale on it] appear as if you were home. The communications thru these devices will Always be encrypted, and only available to you,? unless you share out your device. Joe VE1BWV? On Sat, Feb 1, 2025, 12:12?p.m. ww6x via <ww6x=[email protected]> wrote: Tricky, as most people have a home internet router, so the external IP address will be that. The method will be to use port forwarding. They port-forward a random port (say 3000) to <sBitx LAN IP>:22 (I think) inside their home router. The router should also probably static allocate the LAN IP. Then you use "ssh -X -l pi <router WAN IP>:3000 sbitx/sbitx" to remote in.? An sbitx window will pop up on your Mac. (I've only done this on Linux, but it should work on a Mac). This is what needs to be done when one has an internet router in one's shack and wants to operate remote from a comfy bedroom. |
开云体育To be clear, I’m OK with the port forwarding, or putting something on Tailscale or (currently using) Zerotier. I was really asking if anyone had this set up that I might look at. As I say, longshot, I know, and I wouldn’t expect that anyone has one set up full time.?-- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670?- Erie, PA Email: buddy@... Mobile: (814) 431-0962
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We didn't do it with a SBitx.? ?That actually would have been FAR easier? ? During Field Day as one of our trials, we controlled a computer at one end of our microwave MESH network in a trailer, from a PC in the Emergency Operations Center? ? It worked, made a contact through a 7300, but it just wasn't perfect because we really couldn't tell what the TRANSMITTER was doing.? ?The sBitx is much nicer for that, because you have?both the FLDGI and the transmitter itself potentially available over the local area network.? ? It was just a trial for us.? ? Gordon KX4Z On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 8:22?PM Buddy Brannan via <buddy=[email protected]> wrote:
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Sounds like the issue was more to do with the software you used to control the 7300 over the mesh network, not so much the radio itself.
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There are plenty of IC-7300 compatible remote software packages that accurately represent what the transmitter is doing...
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Yes, you did, but the OP was asking about access over the public internet to someone else's sBitx.
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To access an sBitx behind a 'shack router' which is itself behind a 'home router' would be an example of 'double NAT' and you'd have to port-forward on both routers to access the radio over the public internet.
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i suspect most people deploy a simple switch in their shack, rather than *another* router, and in such a case (switch behind router) you would only have to do port forwarding on the 'hone router', since it's the only one in the network.
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I think having a 'shack router' is a rare arrangement, I'm not sure why one would feel the need for that, but I'm certain some do.
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Ken, N2VIP
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There's a few ways to make this happen.? I use a dynamic DNS service called DuckDNS and there are a few others that have been talked about here before.? I use it to VNC into my radio from anywhere on my phone or tablet or whatever.? Buddy, send me an email
and we'll see if we can come up with a time to try that out.? I'm curious to see if a screen reader would work through VNC.? There won't be any audio as VNC doens't seem to pass audio, but at a minimum, you'd be able to see if the screen reader can detect
the buttons.? I'm guessing that it's not going to work over VNC since I assume it's just passing image content and no real text.? But we can try it.
Jeff
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken N2VIP <ken@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 5:52 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BITX20] Anyone got a ZBitX or SBitX connected to the Internet? ?
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Yes, you did, but the OP was asking about access over the public internet to someone else's sBitx.
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To access an sBitx behind a 'shack router' which is itself behind a 'home router' would be an example of 'double NAT' and you'd have to port-forward on both routers to access the radio over the public internet.
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i suspect most people deploy a simple switch in their shack, rather than *another* router, and in such a case (switch behind router) you would only have to do port forwarding on the 'hone router', since it's the only one in the network.
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I think having a 'shack router' is a rare arrangement, I'm not sure why one would feel the need for that, but I'm certain some do.
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Ken, N2VIP
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The sBitx can be accessed via the web interface when connected to a local network by simply navigating to sbitx.local on a browser. The received audio makes it possible to work FT8 and CW, but with a bit of latency. To access the radio from a remote location, you will have to either setup port forwarding or use a service like tailscale, as mentioned by others. I tried this by setting up a tailscale account, linking my sBitx and my laptop, but was unable to route the audio to the remote machine and could only work FT8 by using VNC. I'm sure there is a way to route the audio to and from a remote machine (Linux gurus can probably pitch in), but the latency would probably limit it to casual use. Hope this helps. 73, Ragav VU3VWR |
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Dear Bhatnagar, I had a look at your blog. Innovative way of covering a balun indeed! Should try that sometime as it looks simple and I do not have access to regular balun covers. 73? Jon, VU2JO On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 6:35?AM SP Bhatnagar via <vu2spf=[email protected]> wrote: I have used No machine for remote access on a different SDR for audio and video both. Haven't tried with the latest sbitx v4.x though. One of the early versions had some mismatch with pipewire on sbitx. My experiments are detailed on |
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Hello, I have been using any device on the local network for a long time, from wherever I need it, and the system I use is completely transparent to routers or gateways. It is very simple, and free. The only requirement is to be able to install the application on the device that needs to be connected. In the case of Raspberry it can be done, and also, of course, on Windows, Mac, Linux. Even some routers, but then you need to understand more about routers. What I do is register an account on Zerotier, and there create a vpn network. With the network codes that we have created, the zerotier client is installed on the devices that need to be connected to each other. This vpn acts as a second network card and the zerotier cloud acts as a virtual switch. The result is that you have an independent network that has its own IP range, and that is only accessible from another node on this network. You have all the ports open without having to open them on the router. And since it is a good VPN, everything is encrypted over the internet. I use it to, for example, connect from a PC to my icom 7300 remotely, from any bar, accessing the internet from my phone. If you need more information, don't hesitate to ask me. |
开云体育Buddy. I'm figuring we can just install espeak/orca on one of these radios, and have complete speech access that way.? It's possible we'll need to swap out the raspberry pi board, to either one with more ram or one with more cpu muscle, depending on what's required to make it all work, but that shouldn't be a major issue, as long as we can put the wires back where they go.? And, I'm fairly certain that the only pi that needs to run the speech software is the one that handles the display, because that already has all the info we need to operate the system. I was planning on buying one of the zbix devices when they started taking orders again, and seeing exactly what it would take to get it operational with speech feedback.? I'm thinking it shouldn't be a difficult process, considering it already runs a full blown raspbian setup anyhow, and we already can run speech on those, so it should be as simple as installing a few new packages, and poof, talking zbix. It's of course possible it won't be that simple, but I won't know that until I get one of them here to check out how exactly it works.
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To be clear, I’m OK with the port forwarding, or putting something on Tailscale or (currently using) Zerotier. I was really asking if anyone had this set up that I might look at. As I say, longshot, I know, and I wouldn’t expect that anyone has one set up full time.? |
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To upgrade the RPi in the zBitx will 'require' repackaging the radio, as the RPi it ships with, an RPi Zero 2 W is about half to one-third the volume of an RPi 4 or 5.
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The RPi Zero 2 W has the same processor as an RPi 3B+, and half the ram (512M). To upgrade it would require an RPi 4 or 5.
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The size issue isn't a concern with the sBitx, as the RPi 4 and 5 are physically the same size.
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The question to be answered is if the sBitx or the zBitx needs more RAM, more CPU, or both to run the apps you're mentioning along with other radio duties.
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I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiments,
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开云体育Hey Travis,Yeah, I’m thinking the same, actually. The issues I see are: * Interrupting receive audio to get speech from Orca/Speakup/whatever * Input. USB keyboard perhaps? Because I don’t think touch screens work very well under GNU/Linux for us.? At any rate, even if we start out by using the web interface from another computer just to start off with, that’s something, and probably not the end of the story.? BTW, If I read this right, the Pi 0 ?(or whatever its designation is...2w?) runs the show, and there’s a separate Pi Nano that runs the touch screen. I gather that this isn’t exactly a Pi though, more like the Raspberry Pi Foundation’s answer to Arduino. So not sure if it could be repurposes to running speech synthesis or not.? It should be fun, at any rate.? Keeping an eye out for it. An 80-10m transceiver for under $200 that can be hacked on sounds good to me. Add one of those N7DBC autotuners even. This should be a lot of fun.? -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670?- Erie, PA Email: buddy@... Mobile: (814) 431-0962
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