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I need help reviving my sBITX V3


 

Hello all,I have been fighting a losing battle in building an enclosure for my sBITX. I then made a really stupid and noob mistake. I use Anderson Power Pole Connectors on all of my radio gear.? I made a pig tail adapter to change the XT60 Power Connector to Anderson PP. I was tired and experiencing extreme back to feet pain so I was trying to concentrate on my sBITX and not on the pain. Apparently I wasn't concentrating enough. If anyone who has worked with Anderson PP, then you know that to have to slide the positive and negative sides together to complete the connector. This is where I screwed up and hurt my baby (sBITX) and I need to bring her back to the joyful life that it shared with me before my stupidity maimed her. Here is a pic of the evidence of my mometory intellectual ineptitud.? So my sBITX was powered up with reverse polarity and it did not like it.??
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It is my mistake and I should have caught that but I don't have a DeLorean Time machine to go back and fix it so this is where I'm at.?
I contacted Ashhar about it and he tried to help but he is very busy. Here is what we did:

I removed the Raspberry Pi 4 and it still boots up on its own just fine
I measured the resistance between the positive and negative sides on the XT60 Power Connector.?
Here are the measurements:

With the power turned "Off"
0.0 ohms

With the power connector turned "On"
6.0 ohms

Then I unplugged the regulator and made the same measurements
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 4.1 ohms?

Ashhar then told me to replace the IF510 PA Transistors. I did that and performed the same tests:
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 3.6 ohms

Unplugged the regulator
OFF - 0 ohms'
ON - 4.1 ohms

This is where I am now. I do hope and pray that it can be repaired because I became really attached to it and I do not have the ability to replace it. I'm open to any and all ideas. I just have a very basic set of tools but I will do everything that I can.?


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'72
Aaron?


 

Arron,

Check D7 right under the regulator, it should show about 1.2K in either direction with power off, if you see a short here that's your problem.

Joel
N6ALT


 

I has almost no resistance across D7. I don't much see a black or scorched area but I di see that d7 has some pieces missing and a crack all the way around it.?
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It doesn't look very happy. So I guess that replacing it is my next step.?
Thanks for the help Noel
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'72
Aaron?


 

Aaron,

That was a good call on Joel's part.? D7 is there to protect against reverse polarity power application.? It assumes that you have a fuse set for the appropriate amps so that it blows and removes the incorrect voltage.? The radio will work without the diode, so a quick test would be to remove it and apply reduced voltage with a current limit source if you have one.? If not, fuse for 1 amp and do not transmit until the diode and fuse are set correctly.? I would suggest 10 volts as a starting point.

73
Evan
AC9TU


Jack, W8TEE
 

The solder flow on the right side of the diode looks "incomplete". Did a ohmmeter check show it's okay>

Jack, W8TEEE

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 05:22:09 PM EDT, Aaron K5ATG <aaron@...> wrote:


I has almost no resistance across D7. I don't much see a black or scorched area but I di see that d7 has some pieces missing and a crack all the way around it.?
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It doesn't look very happy. So I guess that replacing it is my next step.?
Thanks for the help Noel
--
'72
Aaron?

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Jack, W8TEE


 

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Start by replacing the diode D7.

Look for any electrolytic caps that look swollen on top. Replace if needed.

Raj

On 04/05/2024 12:16 AM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,I have been fighting a losing battle in building an enclosure for my sBITX. I then made a really stupid and noob mistake. I use Anderson Power Pole Connectors on all of my radio gear.? I made a pig tail adapter to change the XT60 Power Connector to Anderson PP. I was tired and experiencing extreme back to feet pain so I was trying to concentrate on my sBITX and not on the pain. Apparently I wasn't concentrating enough. If anyone who has worked with Anderson PP, then you know that to have to slide the positive and negative sides together to complete the connector. This is where I screwed up and hurt my baby (sBITX) and I need to bring her back to the joyful life that it shared with me before my stupidity maimed her. Here is a pic of the evidence of my mometory intellectual ineptitud.? So my sBITX was powered up with reverse polarity and it did not like it.??
?

It is my mistake and I should have caught that but I don't have a DeLorean Time machine to go back and fix it so this is where I'm at.?
I contacted Ashhar about it and he tried to help but he is very busy. Here is what we did:

I removed the Raspberry Pi 4 and it still boots up on its own just fine
I measured the resistance between the positive and negative sides on the XT60 Power Connector.?
Here are the measurements:

With the power turned "Off"
0.0 ohms

With the power connector turned "On"
6.0 ohms

Then I unplugged the regulator and made the same measurements
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 4.1 ohms?

Ashhar then told me to replace the IF510 PA Transistors. I did that and performed the same tests:
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 3.6 ohms

Unplugged the regulator
OFF - 0 ohms'
ON - 4.1 ohms

This is where I am now. I do hope and pray that it can be repaired because I became really attached to it and I do not have the ability to replace it. I'm open to any and all ideas. I just have a very basic set of tools but I will do everything that I can.?


--
'72
Aaron?


 

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You cant have 0 ohms across power input with the switch off!

Please sort out this mystery first.

Raj

On 04/05/2024 12:16 AM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,I have been fighting a losing battle in building an enclosure for my sBITX. I then made a really stupid and noob mistake. I use Anderson Power Pole Connectors on all of my radio gear.? I made a pig tail adapter to change the XT60 Power Connector to Anderson PP. I was tired and experiencing extreme back to feet pain so I was trying to concentrate on my sBITX and not on the pain. Apparently I wasn't concentrating enough. If anyone who has worked with Anderson PP, then you know that to have to slide the positive and negative sides together to complete the connector. This is where I screwed up and hurt my baby (sBITX) and I need to bring her back to the joyful life that it shared with me before my stupidity maimed her. Here is a pic of the evidence of my mometory intellectual ineptitud.? So my sBITX was powered up with reverse polarity and it did not like it.??
?

It is my mistake and I should have caught that but I don't have a DeLorean Time machine to go back and fix it so this is where I'm at.?
I contacted Ashhar about it and he tried to help but he is very busy. Here is what we did:

I removed the Raspberry Pi 4 and it still boots up on its own just fine
I measured the resistance between the positive and negative sides on the XT60 Power Connector.?
Here are the measurements:

With the power turned "Off"
0.0 ohms

With the power connector turned "On"
6.0 ohms

Then I unplugged the regulator and made the same measurements
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 4.1 ohms?

Ashhar then told me to replace the IF510 PA Transistors. I did that and performed the same tests:
OFF - 0.0 ohms
ON - 3.6 ohms

Unplugged the regulator
OFF - 0 ohms'
ON - 4.1 ohms

This is where I am now. I do hope and pray that it can be repaired because I became really attached to it and I do not have the ability to replace it. I'm open to any and all ideas. I just have a very basic set of tools but I will do everything that I can.?


--
'72
Aaron?


 

Thanks for the advice Raj,
I'm still trying to learn electronics so I made this topic for help on figuring this out.?
Any ideas on why I'm getting 0 ohms??
--
'72
Aaron?


 

Aarron,

0 ohms at the connector with the switch off is a dead short.? I have not reviewed the schematics for the sbitx yet but that to me would point at a shorted filter cap on the 12v rail right after the power connector.? If I have time tonight I will review the schematics for the sbitx as I want to familiarize myself for some mods anyway.? ?

Ryan
KK6DZB


 

Aaron,

In looking at the schematic on github (and I am not sure this is for the v3) the power switch is immediately after the power connector so it is impossible as it was pointed out previously to have 0 ohms with the switch open. ?Please take and post a pic of how your dmm is connected for troubleshooting. ?In looking at the schematic after you sort out how you have the dmm connected there is a good chance that c11 is damaged and possibly shorted to gnd and will need to be replaced. ?But first take a photo of your setup. ?Then we can go from there. Others will chime in.?


Ryan
KK6DZB


 

Ok here is what I was able to do for the pics that you requested.?


The pic above the switch is in the on position and I have the red DMM probe in the positive pin at the power connector and the black is in the negative pin of the power connector.



This pic is that same as the pic above with the exception that the power switch is in the off position. I got my mother in law to do the hand modeling for me, but it is ok cause she has her license (KF5VBU)



?This pic shows is a close up of the setting on my DMM.

This is the location that I found the schematics for the sBITX. It says that they are for the V3 and have been updated around 6 months ago.?


I am willing to do any measurement or test that is within my capability.
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'72
Aaron?


 

Aaron,

Those pics are perfect.? On the pic with the switch in the off (or open) position you are OPEN not 0 ohms which is what you should have so that solves that mystery :) .? With the switch in the on (or closed) position you are at .9 ohms or nearly a dead short.? Try removing the electrolytic cap c11 and diode d7 and perform the same test with your DMM ?with the switch on .? If the resistance goes way up? (mine is 1200 ohms or 1.2k) replace c11 and d7.? Good luck!

Ryan?
KK6DZB


 

Also change the range to the 2k position on your DMM.??


 

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I noted from your later posts that switch ON only creates a short.

The dead short on power ON is good news. This means D7 has protected the rig.

Cut off D7 and check again. If the short goes away then replace D7 and only then

power up and check.

Raj

On 04/05/2024 10:08 PM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:

Thanks for the advice Raj,
I'm still trying to learn electronics so I made this topic for help on figuring this out.?
Any ideas on why I'm getting 0 ohms??
--
'72
Aaron?


 

I'm still stuck with a non working sBITX v3.?
Here is a recap:
Replaced both PA Transistor: still broke
Replaced D7: Still broke (I forgot to power it up when I had D7 Diode removed from the board, if this is critical let me know and I can do that, I ordered extra D7's)
Removed RPI4 and the RPI4 powers up and functions just fine on its own.?

When I power the sBITX up nothing happens. I have been bragging about how great this radio is and now I think that it is teaching me a lesson for it. It is transitioning into something really aggravating.? I'm afraid that its repairs have exceeded my ability. I'm stuck and not sure what to do next.?
--
'72
Aaron?


 

Arron, check diode D4 a 5.6 v zener.
GL
K3BO


 

I have looked at the print and my idea is to check that you have 12v on the 5 volt regulator and then the 5v output?from it as well as the 3.3v regulator.

Here is where you can download the schematic if you don't?have?one yet.??

that is where I would start, if you have all the voltages, then it is a deeper problem, if you dont have voltage..check that you have 12 volts on the yellow power cable connector with it unplugged from?the radio. Sometimes we get tunnel?vision and overlook simple problems.

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 5:31?PM barry halterman via <kthreebo=[email protected]> wrote:
Arron, check diode D4 a 5.6 v zener.
GL
K3BO


 

Barry,
I checked D4


Not sure exactly what I'm looking for. I measured it on the DMM as per instructions that I obtained from Professors YouTube and Google. It jumped around for a second or two then eventually settled on 738

WK4DS, Do I first check the voltages with the power on??
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'72
Aaron?


 

Yes. I would check the power just to confirm you are getting voltge to the radio. Sometimes it is simply a lack of voltage. Then check the subsystem power supplies (5v&3.3v) to confirm they are present too. Most transistors can handle reverse bias but some specialty devices cant. I am not sure if the voltage regulators are able to handle -13.8vdc is why I am trying to confirm their state.?

David

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 18:12 Aaron K5ATG via <Aaron=[email protected]> wrote:
Barry,
I checked D4


Not sure exactly what I'm looking for. I measured it on the DMM as per instructions that I obtained from Professors YouTube and Google. It jumped around for a second or two then eventually settled on 738

WK4DS, Do I first check the voltages with the power on??
--
'72
Aaron?


 

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 03:30 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote:
I'm still stuck with a non working sBITX v3.?
Here is a recap:
Replaced both PA Transistor: still broke
Replaced D7: Still broke (I forgot to power it up when I had D7 Diode removed from the board, if this is critical let me know and I can do that, I ordered extra D7's)
Removed RPI4 and the RPI4 powers up and functions just fine on its own.?

When I power the sBITX up nothing happens. I have been bragging about how great this radio is and now I think that it is teaching me a lesson for it. It is transitioning into something really aggravating.? I'm afraid that its repairs have exceeded my ability. I'm stuck and not sure what to do next.?
--
'72
Aaron?
I am willing to look at it and repair the board if you want. PM me and we can work out the details.



-JJ