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Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
I hate the term dumb it down, I used plain english and try to use enough technical
language to elevate people.? Works better and it s kindness to them. If it pesters you ask!? I believe the rule is there are no dumb questions and people? are seeking information they need. Not easy to monitor the spurs.? I use a spectrum analyzer, the ideal tool. In the past I used a receiver with known calibration (feed signal and note the Smeter response). Its a slower process and awkward but worked.? Have to think of a way to get a handle on that for everyone.? I think the Dbv-T usb receiver and a upconverter for HF is? enough cheap hardware for that as an opener (you need a fixture consisting of power attenuator and instruction how to do all that). Allison |
Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
Wow!...All the feedback here has exceeded my expectations.
Alyson,? I'm truly impressed that you were able to "Dumb" this down to an understandable level.? I've learned quite a few things in this thread that have been pestering me for a long time. I'll consider trying a filter,? but not until I figure out how to monitor for the spurs. What's the point unless I can confirm that it's working, right?!? But I won't pester you all with that right now.? I'm sure the answer to that is somewhere on the board. I'll keep watching for a consensus on the issue. Thanks to everyone! Maybe some other noobs will benefit? from this as well. David |
Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
Ideally you would like to keep the spur from getting to the antenna port.
21.2 to 21.45mhz practical filter would be bandpass (the spur is 23.8 to 23.55mhz) 24.99mhz (12M)? a really good high passas the spur is 20.1mhz 28mhz practical filter is a high pass with a cut off of 23mhz. If the high pass filter was really good 12 and 10M could be the same filter. However I tried a 9th order butterworth and it was not enough for 12 and 10 but enough for 10 alone. NOTE: For CW none of this is needed.? For digital using SSB you need filters or watched the levels as its still using SSB mode. Allison |
Re: K5BCQ kits in BITX40
#bitx40
I am sending the kits out with 1 AGC kit and 1 Click kit per regular #10 envelope with the $0.71 "Non Machinable" USPS stamp. If you ordered 2 of each, Im sending 2 envelopes, if you ordered 3 of each, I'm sending 3 envelopes, if you ordered more or it's a DX order, I'm sending it as a package.? As far as USPS turn around times .....I have no idea.
73 Kees K5BCQ |
Re: THANK YOU K5BCQ
Look in the K5BCQ folder in the Files section. 73 ken VA3ABN On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw@...> wrote:
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Re: THANK YOU K5BCQ
Michael Walker
Hi All With all the emails, I must have missed the instructions on how to order the AGC board. Can someone share them with me? many 73, Mike va3mw On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Mark M <junquemaile@...> wrote: Let me add my thanks as well. I received the kits yesterday and am quite impressed. I was expecting only a set of parts so was pleased to also get the schematic, etc...even a little piece of double-sticky foam tape. Now to see if I can assemble them...those surface mount parts are really tiny. |
Re: THANK YOU K5BCQ
Mark M
Let me add my thanks as well. I received the kits yesterday and am quite impressed. I was expecting only a set of parts so was pleased to also get the schematic, etc...even a little piece of double-sticky foam tape. Now to see if I can assemble them...those surface mount parts are really tiny.
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Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
The below is BOLD large print to make this very clear.
============================================================ For bands below 20Mhz its NOT an issue as the low pass filters catch it. It is only a potential problem for SSB and frequencies greater than 20mhz. NOTE: due to the way the uBTX does CW it is never an issue on any band. ============================================================ The short form is when you mix two frequencies you get a third, in a perfect world. The diode mixers used are handy but they can present conundrums.? If any of the three?ports (IF, LO, and RF) are mismatched (think SWR) The signal can be reflected back in.? Since DBMs are omnivorous in that any port can be input or output and if mismatched both!? This does not include effects of distortion in the source signals. But in the real world this like that exist. They also suffer from overload, to many and too strong and you get a plethora of signals. What that means for lots of simple and complex reasons you can get "spurs" or spurious outputs that are undesired. Basic math, addition and subtraction: So if you mix 45Mhz with 73mhz you get 28mhz.? We want that? and the radio needs that.? However if any of the 28 gets reflected back into?the DBM where it originated it mixes with 45mhz and we get 17mhz.? With those four signals you get mixtures of those like: 73-17=56 28-17=11 Those are "first order" as they do not involve harmonics.? They will be the strongest? but not always equal strength. Both inputs can have harmonics like 90mhz and 146mhz and the 34 and 56 coming? out can have harmonics too.? If you add and subtract all the possibles you get an? increasing sea of signals some weak some stronger.? We will not cover the possibles? as the first order ones are the most troublesome. If the above is not clear, ask away. The solution traditionally applied is band pass filters or if it isn't between 28 and 29.9999 the filter strongly attenuates it.? But you need a band pass filter for most every band... uBitx take the path of below a certain frequency you only need low pass filters and? fewer of them.? And it generally works well especially for 80 though 17M... But at 20mhz and up the low pass filter passes everything below 30mhz and if you? overdrive the rig slightly you get a spur for the tech window of 28.3 to 28.5 where? the spur is 16.5 to 16.7mhz and there is no filter for that.? What makes this worse is some radios are very poor at 10M putting out maybe 2W so pushing the audio? to get more invites the problem to be greatly worse.? I got into this as mine was? one that?would do more than 15W on 80m and with decreasing power to 1.7W on 10M. If I forced more audio with RV1 turned all the way up I could get 4W but the 16-17mhz? spur was nearly 13 milliwatts (measured) and well out of the range of permissible.?? Also there is no setting we can safely give that absolutely assures there will? be no problem that is consistent with maximum achievable power.? The above is why?the discussion began.? As a licensed hams here in the USA (likely elsewhere) we are responsible for? signal quality and?also not generating signals outside our assigned bands. There are two solutions one is bandpass the other is high pass filter. Either way the rig must be modified to allow those and there are side effects. One side effect is you need extra switching not provided.? The other is any filter as loss though it and that would further reduce power out. This is a case where as a new tech or even extra you trade cost for skills and the skills needed are understanding RF electronics.? There are?solutions I can suggest, one is get your General or Extra (its worth it and opens many other bands).? ?Another is hope one of us can crank out a complete solution you can insert into your radio which means soldering skills and ability to do basic electronics construction and alterations.?If you have a club with technical members to help/mentor all the better. Short of that keep the power down and go for it... Allison |
Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
The spur for 30mhz is at 45-30 = 15mhz.
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So you want either a high pass or a band pass filter. Allison is recommending a bandpass filter. Here's a starting point, using T50-10 toroids for the transformers, you can probably wind the 0.59uH inductor on?a T50-10 also. The kit is no longer availalable, but Diz will sell you the toroids and wire and caps,? maybe give some advice too. There may be other such kits out there, but still in production. Solder it up on a scrap of PC board, install it in line with the antenna coax, adjust the caps or maximum power into a dummy load. That's a sharp filter, only a few hundred khz wide on 30m, so tune it up for the part of the band you are interested in. I haven't done this, I may have gotten something wrong here. On 15 meters (21mhz), the spur is at 45-21 = 24mhz. That's close in, needs a fairly tight bandpass (or lowpass, in this case)? filter to take that out. ? Jerry On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:29 pm, <davedt1e@...> wrote: I do have a multi z tuner kit on the way.? So can the high pass filter for 10 meters be a simple RC or LC for 27 mhz and below. Then placed in the antenna feedline?? Maybe with a toggle switch for bypass? Or am I over simplifying? |
Re: Noob Mic question
#ubitx-help
I'm admittedly a noob,? but I've learned to be a good scrounge over the years so I'm getting that part of Ham down quickly.? I found a much smaller fan that I don't even remember scrounging for a replacement.? With some filtering it might just work.
I've got to use this stuff before I get buried in it! |
Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
Gordon Gibby
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFabulous explanation Alyson!We may be assembling these with some technicians in our club, so we may want to get our hands on some 10 m bandpass filters, they seem easy to find. ?
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Re: Spurs for Dummies?
#ubitx-help
Thanks much.
I do have a multi z tuner kit on the way.? So can the high pass filter for 10 meters be a simple RC or LC for 27 mhz and below. Then placed in the antenna feedline?? Maybe with a toggle switch for bypass? Or am I over simplifying? Sorry for my ignorance....I'm working on it. |
Re: Noob Mic question
#ubitx-help
Old Computer motherboards :-) - and other defunct gear. Scratch, scrabble, scrounge, scrooge! The Ham mantra - and eco-friendly: recycle! continuing the mic philosophy.
73 Dex, ZL2DEX |
Re: RF power chain mods and improvements..
Here's another from that list,? Ft of 360mhz, dissipates over a watt, $0.13/1000, SC-62,? in stock:
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? ??https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ROHM-Semiconductor/2SCR513P5T100?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWixf5%2fiAQuf33cPdulPgbXNbl97%2fGhBbtDg%3d%3d On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:38 pm, Jerry Gaffke wrote: Here's another shot at embedding my Mouser search, maybe this one will work: |
Re: KD8CEC Firmware S-Meter usage
Hi,
i am using it and I do like it. Not implemented everything (not set up S Meter)? but the uBITZ is great on receive. I cannot get any RF power Going through all the checks but not turned up anything yet. All oscillators must be working as it receives; now going to test the CW tone and MIC circuits. Will eventually have it for digital modes and WSPR. And as I recently started Arduino I can check and learn more programming techniques. |
Re: K5BCQ kits in BITX40
#bitx40
Kees mine show as shipped but so far haven't received anything yet.? That's why I was wondering how long the shipment takes. Doug referred to Informed Delivery bit that show only a package coming from Colorado this coming Monday. Saw that your location is in Texas so don't think that is coming from you.
I also thought you would ship them in a normal envelope . John KG5WJQ |
Re: Building homebrew ubitx: Need pre-v3 schematic PDF. Also, source for 45M15 (45 MHz IF) filter?
Bo Barry
Ashhar, ? ?I mentioned to Sunil about doing that for his nice cases. ie send me a bunch and save a bunch on postage and I could mail them from here cheaper.
Once the one I ordered comes I can determine US shipping costs to see if it's a good idea. Bo W4GHV? |
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