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Re: Searching for IMD

 

Warren,

Thank you for that precise explanation, I now understand where the IMD is coming from. So at this point do you recommend the I/O transformers on the additional 45Mhz filter replacing R27? If so, can you detail which cores to use and the exact winding instructions. I think all of us greatly appreciate all you and others are doing to get to the bottom of all this.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: Searching for IMD

Warren Allgyer
 

You can do that but the first mixer is adding no IMD and the second only 5 dB. Between the two bidirectional amps there is at least 15 and perhaps 20 dB of IMD added. The amplifiers are the primary culprit and the radio will never pass muster until they are linearized.

WA8TOD


Re: Searching for IMD

 

What about buffering the three S15351 outputs on the Raduino board with three 74LVC1G04GW's as suggested earlier by Jerry and Allison (and add ferrite choke power filters) ?

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: NX4832T035 issues

 

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I used the PD5DJ 4.3 Nextion Screen with KD5CEC firmware version 1.095 on my uBitix. It works very well. His .files can be downloaded at . You can see my uBitx with screen at /g/BITX20/photo/69609/0?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0

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David A Posthuma, WD8PUO

1 (616) 283-7703

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Subject: Re: [BITX20] NX4832T035 issues

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There are 3 different screens out there. 1 is the original by ian KD8CEC his is not a tru 3.5 it is a 2.8 that has been compiled for 3.5. It will not fill the screen just the left top part. The other 2 are based on his code but enhanced and scaled for the larger displays. The one I use is by Rich Neese they are available here?



He offers both the hmi and the tft files. It is a work in progress but is real good. There is a new one on the scene that they do not offer the hmi yet and I don't remember who that is.

Marty
N5KBP


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N5KBP


Searching for IMD

Warren Allgyer
 

The generally accepted limit for SSB intermodulation products is a minimum of 24 dB between the lowest of the twin tones and the highest of either the third order (products immediately adjacent to the twin tones) or fifth order (products next over above and below the third order) products. My uBitx shows -12 dB at 3.6 MHz. Conditions are: 30 mVrms audio input and RV1 set for 5 watts RF output through a 4 MHz LPF. My board has the onboard PA filters removed and strapped and has the additional 45 MHz filter with 12:1 output impedance transformer in place of R27.

In order to better understand where the IMD is being introduced in the radio I started all the way back at the balanced modulator output and measured IMD at thoughtfully provided test points up through the driver output. In general, once IMD products are introduced at early stages they tend to only get worse as the signal progresses down the chain. The key to fixing it is finding the root cause as early in the process as possible.

TP17 is the output of the balanced modulator and the 12 MHz SSB filter. IMD products here were below the noise floor of my measurement configuration and I did not chase them down into the mud because they are at least 40 dB down and do not pop up through the floor.

TP16 is the output of the first bi-directional amplifier and IMD at this point measured -35 dB, already much too high and and indication of non-linearity in the amplifier that must be addressed.

TP14 is the output of the onboard 45 MHz filter following the 2nd mixer. This actually shows a slight improvement but probably within measurement error at -37 dB. This measurement pretty much exonerates the 2nd mixer as a significant contributor to the IMD issue.

TP16 is the output of the second bi-directional amp and again there is a serious deterioration in IMD with the amp adding 11 dB to the problem.

TP1 is the output of the 2nd transmit mixer (labelled 1st mixer in the text) and is the first time we see a signal at air frequency of 3.6 MHz. The mixer added 5 dB of IMD to the total.... much too much and probably indicative of low injection levels as has been stated in the past. On the other hand it is not the primary culprit by far.

TP3 is the output of the first pre-driver and of RV1 and it adds a little over 1 dB of IMD. The total IMD at this point is 5 dB less than the acceptable amount and it is only beyond this point that we are able to control power levels with RV1 which would normally be the adjustment point for controlling PA IMD. In other words we are starting out with an unacceptable signal from the low level stages and only now getting to where IMD is normally introduced. A contemporary radio would show normally show IMD levels at -45 dB or better at this point.

From this point forward, at the five watt level, the combination of pre driver, driver, and PA added 5 dB of IMD. This amount would be perfectly acceptable in most radios starting out with clean drive and would allow the total power to be? increased by RV1 adjustment to significantly higher levels.

The IMD problem is rooted first in non-linearities in both bi-directional amps and then in both mixers.

WA8TOD



Re: I find This Shorted Circuit on Raduino, here the pics..plz Help? #ubitx-help

 

?On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 01:37 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote: Correction:What I wrote:<? Those two pins are pins 1 and 2 shown in the far upper right corner of the uBitx schematic.Should be>? Those two pins are pins 1 and 2 shown in the far upper LEFT corner of the uBitx schematic.
Yes, I know, on the shematic above in the left corner you can see the drawing for this pins... but the differce is the shematic that you must look for, i have the Version 3 Ubitx.. so please look this at -->

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
Fabian,
Those two pins are supposed to be shorted together on your Raduino.
Though it is kind of confusing.
Here's the schematic for the uBitx:? ??Those two pins are pins 1 and 2 shown in the far upper right corner of the uBitx schematic.Pin 2 is used to send 12v from the uBitx main board off to the Raduino.Pin 1 is not connected to anything.
please look again at the shematic here it is a little bit other drawing, not the same as in the ubitx4 pdf.. can you see what i mean.. a little bit other, but not much different as shown in ubitx4..thats right, i know but that is the point, so i don't know about should i desolder the shorted circuit conection which they have or leave it like it is.. i think its better to ask and don't make a fault or so.. but in other pics from the raduino which i have searched for in google or forum, i have not see this kind of this 2 soldered pins toghether, but the pics are not much good to see enough with zoom, and there are not much pics to find from this view what i need to see..
Here is the schematic for the Raduino:??
What was pins 1 and 2 of the RADUINO1 connector in the uBitx schematic
are now pins 16 and 15 of the P3 connector in the lower part of the Raduino schematic.
That's unfortunate, it's much less confusing if a schematic set retains the same naming and numbering conventions.
Those two pins send 12 volts into the LM7805 regulator, which creates the 5 volt supply for the Nano.

So the uBitx main board only has 12 volts going into one of those pins, the other pin is not connected to anything.
The Raduino board has both pins shorted together (as you have shown in your picture) and this gives 12v power to the Raduino.

All is well.
?
Jerry
yes..that was the first what i think, too! and my consideration belongs to the idea, that there was the point for my receive problem that i have and other things what makes faults to the ubitx and i tought when this was repaired then it haves much more better functions then before, you know what i mean, i tought i have found thze big fault..

but ok can you look at the ubitx3 pdf link i have post above. and i was proud to hear your opinion about this, so if there is an other shematic or even you say it was not correct with their connection.. only your opinion on the v3 shematic in conect with this "shorted".. So just what you think about it because then something would be different, as in the v4 pdf..
oh today my english is not very good but i hope you know what i mean..

man i have a bad day, a little bit down although the sun is shine out there and on sunny days usually i'm fine.. but when the ubitx work at oneday then i'm happy no matter if it's sun or rain.. ok lets go working on it.

Best Regards Fabian


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

Jerry,

Would you suggest mounting those three 74LVC1G04GW parts on the Raduino board, close to the Si5351? ?

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

I suspect it is more critical that we have sufficient drive into the mixer LO port
than to have that 6dB 50 ohm pad.
This sort of thing is best evaluated by somebody with a spectrum analyzer.

A series cap plus series resistor between the si5351 and the mixer may be sufficient,
the resistor value is a compromise between sufficient drive to the mixer
and minimizing how much power we demand from si5351.
Could also add a resistor from mixer port to ground to bring source impedance there down,
though that further reduces drive available to the mixer???
? ? /g/BITX20/message/35206

The CMOS buffers previously mentioned are good down to about a 100 ohm load,
? ?/g/BITX20/message/59200
Use separate devices for each clock to avoid crosstalk, and filter Vcc well.?
If you insist on driving 50 ohms with CMOS buffers you might put two such gates in parallel:

Often you see an MMIC in that position, but we don't have to be linear here.
The diode mixers work well with a square wave.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Tom, wb6b wrote:

How critical is the impedance the mixer sees?
Possibly another good reason for a buffer where you can control the impedance better.


Re: NX4832T035 issues

MD
 

There are 3 different screens out there. 1 is the original by ian KD8CEC his is not a tru 3.5 it is a 2.8 that has been compiled for 3.5. It will not fill the screen just the left top part. The other 2 are based on his code but enhanced and scaled for the larger displays. The one I use is by Rich Neese they are available here?



He offers both the hmi and the tft files. It is a work in progress but is real good. There is a new one on the scene that they do not offer the hmi yet and I don't remember who that is.

Marty
N5KBP


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N5KBP


Re: Simple spur fix

 

Nick,

Would also like to order 4 of the filter boards. Let me know how - PayPal can be on the way
THanks
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KG5UMH
Michael - DM93am


Re: uBITX Firmware CEC Version 1.1 Release #ubitx

Kevin Rea
 

Thank you very much Ian for all of your hard work on this.
Kevin Rea
K6REA


uBITX Firmware CEC Version 1.1 Release #ubitx

 

Version 1.1 is the first major release since 1.097,?I released it after a 50-day beta test.
(Version 1.08 also had a beta test period of about 50 days)

Version 1.1 includes all additions or improvements from 1.08 to 1.09, 1.093, 1.095, 1.097?
Version 1.1 changed version name only in Version 1.097 Beta.
You do not need to upgrade if you are using Version 1.097. This is the version with only the version number changed.

Major Changes

?- Support Nextion LCD, TJC LCD

?- Read & Backup uBITX, ADC Monitoring, ATT, IF-Shift and more on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)

?- Factory Reset (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- Support Signal Meter using ADC (A7 Port)

?- Supoort I2C Signal Meter

?- Spectrum

?- Band Scan

?- Memory Control on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)

?- Speed Change CW-Option on Nextion LCD

?- Fixed Band Change Bug (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- uBITX Manager removed the Encode and Decode buttons. The procedure has become a bit easier.

?- I2C Device Scan on uBITX Manager ( Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- Si5351 I2C Address can be changed

?- Recovery using QR-Code Data from Server

?- Nextion LCD and TJC LCD can display Spectrum and CW Decode (using Stand alone S-Meter)

?- Other Minor Bugs

?

Please refer to the link below for details.


Please download the related file from the link below.


Nextion LCD or TJC LCD's GUI is the same version as 1.097 (Beta) distribution.
If you are using a different GUI that is customized by great developers, you do not have to change it.

Ian KD8CEC
kd8cec@...
(my blog)


Re: Simple spur fix

 

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Hello Nick,

I would to order several of those boards. How would I do so?

Ripley
KD8UYQ

The words are mine but this iPad does what it will with them.

On Sep 11, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Nick VK4PP <nickpullen@...> wrote:

Wow, so I just ordered 490 boards for AU$15. that is $0.03 a board.
I will give theses away free, just $3.50 postage DX, can be combined with other boards too...

Ill include it also free with a LPF boards when they arrive are available.

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Thanks to all those who are working on this.

73 Nick VK4PP


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

So what is the impedance the mixer is seeing for the clock from the si5351?

The only claim I saw for the si5351 was an output resistance of 85 ohms if the drive is set to 8MA. Assuming it doesn't have some magical property that it gets lower when outputting a high frequency clock. then the mixer, after the pad, is seeing 59.7 ohms.

If by chance the outputs of the si5351 are really current sources, then the mixer would be seeing 82 ohms,?

If the si5351 is a current source when driving the high output and a low impedance when driving back to ground, who knows what the mixer is seeing and it doesn't sound symmetrical.

How critical is the impedance the mixer sees?

Possibly another good reason for a buffer where you can control the impedance better.

Tom, wb6b


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

Diode ring mixers are messy.
The port driven by the local oscillator will have unwanted mixer products coming out of it.
Using a 6dB attenuator, most of that junk coming back out will get absorbed by the 50 ohms it sees.
If the unwanted products are not absorbed, they can be reflected back into the mixer to create yet more products
that can come out of one of the other ports.? Causes birdies in a receiver, spurs in the transmitted signal.

That attenuator would work pretty well here if the si5351 were capable of driving with 13dBm of power.
It would lose 6 dB going through the attenuator and the mixer would get 7dBm of power like it should.
In this case, since the si5351 can't give 13dBm, we should either add a fairly powerful buffer amp
between the si5351 and the 6dB pad and/or we should somehow do away with the 6dB pad.

Jerry


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Gary Anderson wrote:
What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad?
I was confused, and even more so now? from Kee's post on V4 schematic with increasing series resistance before the 6bB pad ,rather? than decreasing Si5351 drive and winding transformers to match impendance.?

Flame Suit On.? Just wishing? to re-cap the well head so all may benefit from the refined uBITX .
Regards,
Gary AG5TX


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad?
I was confused, and even more so now? from Kee's post on V4 schematic with increasing series resistance before the 6bB pad ,rather? than decreasing Si5351 drive and winding transformers to match impendance.?

Flame Suit On.? Just wishing? to re-cap the well head so all may benefit from the refined uBITX .
Regards,
Gary AG5TX


Re: Antenna Loops #off_topic

 

David and Dan, I steered you to the wrong MFJ SWR meter. I mentioned
the MFJ-818, but in fact MFJ manufactures a different model SWR meter,
the model MFJ-822, that is cheaper at $60, but curiously seems to be
better built than the 818. You can't do much better than the model
822...in fact I may have to heat up my own plastic in prep for a buy.
-- Rich WB2GXM

On 9/10/18, iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:
If you have room enough I would look to reasonably efficient wire antennas
such as a G5RV, Doublet and I have seen a very cheap new small tuner from
MFJ, don't remember the exact model, I think it is prices at 50Usd.

Il 09/set/2018 16:29, "David Posthuma" <davep@...> ha
scritto:

There have been many posts regarding end fed antennas. I hope these posts
were helpful.

My favorite portable antenna are various loops, either
full-wave loops, quads, or Miniature Magnetic Loop Antennas. Why do I
like
loops:


1. Because they are a closed circuit resulting in very low noise, far
less than a dipole, verticle, or end-fed wire (NOTE: You can't work
what
you can't hear)
2. Because the can be polarized vertically for low-angle radiation,
horizontally, or even a hybrid of these
3. Because they are easy to build and match to a 50-ohm coax

But for portable operation, nothing beats a Minature Magnetic Loop
antenna. This is because it is light-weight, directional, and can
literally
sit on the ground and still work perfectly well!

I wrote an article about Miniature Magnetic Loop Antennas for the
Elecraft.com team way back in 1999 when they were not yet so popular
(i.e.,
I was a builder of the early K2 and beta tester for the 100 watt linear).
Check it out at
.
You can build these antennas with materials from any home improvement
store. I hope they inspire some antenna building from among the
uBitx building family.

David Posthuma, WD8PUO




Re: Simple spur fix

 

When transmitting in CW mode, the uBitx disables clk0 and clk1,
Clk2 into the D1,D2 mixer is at the operating frequency.?
There is nothing for clk2 to intermodulate with, so CW transmissions are clean?so long as
the transmit LPF's have been taken care of.
There is no need to add a 45mhz crystal filter if you only plan to operate CW.
Some mods proposed here for adding the extra 45mhz crystal filter will disable CW mode,
since they do not provide a DC path for the CW-KEY signal to unbalance the D1,D2 mixer.

IMD (Inter-Modulation-Distortion) when transmitting SSB signals is an issue,
this will create splatter into adjacent channels.? It gets worse as you up the mike gain.
The causes include non-linearities in the IF amps, non-linearities in the four power amp stages,
signal levels into the mixers being too strong, and local oscillators into the mixers not being strong enough.
These issues are known and it should be possible to resolve them in v5.
It remains to be seen if there is an easy fix for v3/v4 boards that sufficiently cures the?IMD issue.
For example, perhaps stronger local oscillators from the si5351 using external buffers may help.

Unlike the spurs and harmonics previously discussed, IMD is close in to your?
transmitted signal, and is something?that other operators nearby in the band may notice.

If you do operate in SSB mode, do not use the uBitx with a high powered amp.
Be ready to acknowledge reports that your signal is splattering into adjacent channels.
Whether or not it is reasonable to operate at 5 or 10 watts with some IMD is up for debate,
I don't recall any reports in the forum of others in the band complaining of splatter.



Jerry, KE7ER?


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:43 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
with rearranged low pass filters and the additional 45 MHz filter, CW operation is healthy enough to operate.


Re: NX4832T035 issues

Mark M
 

The NX4832T035 is listed as a 3.5". The model number should be printed on the back. If yours is not truly a 3.5, it must think it is. :)

Glad you got it to work.

73... Mark

On 9/11/18 4:44 PM, Ross Bell wrote:
Hi Mark:
Success I used the 3.5 tft file worked, I am puzzled why this worked , dimensions are for 3.2 display,? the display is different than the ones I have seen on the group, but I like the format looks great thanks alot.
73 Ross Bell K7RSB


Re: Simple spur fix

Steve Black
 

I too suffer the? ravages of Multiple Radio Acquisition Syndrome.? I have already acquired a BitX40 and a uBitX. I eagerly await the V5 when it makes its appearance.? Steve kb1chu

On 9/11/2018 8:46 PM, Nick VK4PP wrote: