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Re: Searching for IMD
Warren,
Thank you for that precise explanation, I now understand where the IMD is coming from. So at this point do you recommend the I/O transformers on the additional 45Mhz filter replacing R27? If so, can you detail which cores to use and the exact winding instructions. I think all of us greatly appreciate all you and others are doing to get to the bottom of all this. Joel N6ALT |
Re: Searching for IMD
Warren Allgyer
You can do that but the first mixer is adding no IMD and the second only 5 dB. Between the two bidirectional amps there is at least 15 and perhaps 20 dB of IMD added. The amplifiers are the primary culprit and the radio will never pass muster until they are linearized.
WA8TOD |
Re: NX4832T035 issues
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI used the PD5DJ 4.3 Nextion Screen with KD5CEC firmware version 1.095 on my uBitix. It works very well. His .files can be downloaded at . You can see my uBitx with screen at /g/BITX20/photo/69609/0?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 ? David A Posthuma, WD8PUO 1 (616) 283-7703 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of MD via Groups.Io ? There are 3 different screens out there. 1 is the original by ian KD8CEC his is not a tru 3.5 it is a 2.8 that has been compiled for 3.5. It will not fill the screen just the left top part. The other 2 are based on his code but enhanced and scaled for the larger displays. The one I use is by Rich Neese they are available here? |
Searching for IMD
Warren Allgyer
The generally accepted limit for SSB intermodulation products is a minimum of 24 dB between the lowest of the twin tones and the highest of either the third order (products immediately adjacent to the twin tones) or fifth order (products next over above and below the third order) products. My uBitx shows -12 dB at 3.6 MHz. Conditions are: 30 mVrms audio input and RV1 set for 5 watts RF output through a 4 MHz LPF. My board has the onboard PA filters removed and strapped and has the additional 45 MHz filter with 12:1 output impedance transformer in place of R27. In order to better understand where the IMD is being introduced in the radio I started all the way back at the balanced modulator output and measured IMD at thoughtfully provided test points up through the driver output. In general, once IMD products are introduced at early stages they tend to only get worse as the signal progresses down the chain. The key to fixing it is finding the root cause as early in the process as possible. |
Re: I find This Shorted Circuit on Raduino, here the pics..plz Help?
#ubitx-help
?On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 01:37 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote: Correction:What I wrote:<? Those two pins are pins 1 and 2 shown in the far upper right corner of the uBitx schematic.Should be>? Those two pins are pins 1 and 2 shown in the far upper LEFT corner of the uBitx schematic.Yes, I know, on the shematic above in the left corner you can see the drawing for this pins... but the differce is the shematic that you must look for, i have the Version 3 Ubitx.. so please look this at --> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:please look again at the shematic here it is a little bit other drawing, not the same as in the ubitx4 pdf.. can you see what i mean.. a little bit other, but not much different as shown in ubitx4..thats right, i know but that is the point, so i don't know about should i desolder the shorted circuit conection which they have or leave it like it is.. i think its better to ask and don't make a fault or so.. but in other pics from the raduino which i have searched for in google or forum, i have not see this kind of this 2 soldered pins toghether, but the pics are not much good to see enough with zoom, and there are not much pics to find from this view what i need to see.. yes..that was the first what i think, too! and my consideration belongs to the idea, that there was the point for my receive problem that i have and other things what makes faults to the ubitx and i tought when this was repaired then it haves much more better functions then before, you know what i mean, i tought i have found thze big fault..Here is the schematic for the Raduino:?? but ok can you look at the ubitx3 pdf link i have post above. and i was proud to hear your opinion about this, so if there is an other shematic or even you say it was not correct with their connection.. only your opinion on the v3 shematic in conect with this "shorted".. So just what you think about it because then something would be different, as in the v4 pdf.. oh today my english is not very good but i hope you know what i mean.. man i have a bad day, a little bit down although the sun is shine out there and on sunny days usually i'm fine.. but when the ubitx work at oneday then i'm happy no matter if it's sun or rain.. ok lets go working on it. Best Regards Fabian |
Re: si5351 crosstalk
#radiuno
Jerry,
Would you suggest mounting those three 74LVC1G04GW parts on the Raduino board, close to the Si5351? ? 73 Kees K5BCQ |
Re: si5351 crosstalk
#radiuno
I suspect it is more critical that we have sufficient drive into the mixer LO port On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Tom, wb6b wrote:
How critical is the impedance the mixer sees? |
Re: NX4832T035 issues
MD
There are 3 different screens out there. 1 is the original by ian KD8CEC his is not a tru 3.5 it is a 2.8 that has been compiled for 3.5. It will not fill the screen just the left top part. The other 2 are based on his code but enhanced and scaled for the larger displays. The one I use is by Rich Neese they are available here?
He offers both the hmi and the tft files. It is a work in progress but is real good. There is a new one on the scene that they do not offer the hmi yet and I don't remember who that is. Marty N5KBP -- N5KBP |
uBITX Firmware CEC Version 1.1 Release
#ubitx
Version 1.1 is the first major release since 1.097,?I released it after a 50-day beta test.
Version 1.1 includes all additions or improvements from 1.08 to 1.09, 1.093, 1.095, 1.097?(Version 1.08 also had a beta test period of about 50 days) Version 1.1 changed version name only in Version 1.097 Beta. You do not need to upgrade if you are using Version 1.097. This is the version with only the version number changed. Major Changes ?- Support Nextion LCD, TJC LCD ?- Read & Backup uBITX, ADC Monitoring, ATT, IF-Shift and more on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD) ?- Factory Reset (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable) ?- Support Signal Meter using ADC (A7 Port) ?- Supoort I2C Signal Meter ?- Spectrum ?- Band Scan ?- Memory Control on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD) ?- Speed Change CW-Option on Nextion LCD ?- Fixed Band Change Bug (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable) ?- uBITX Manager removed the Encode and Decode buttons. The procedure has become a bit easier. ?- I2C Device Scan on uBITX Manager ( Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable) ?- Si5351 I2C Address can be changed ?- Recovery using QR-Code Data from Server ?- Nextion LCD and TJC LCD can display Spectrum and CW Decode (using Stand alone S-Meter) ?- Other Minor Bugs ? Please download the related file from the link below. Nextion LCD or TJC LCD's GUI is the same version as 1.097 (Beta) distribution. If you are using a different GUI that is customized by great developers, you do not have to change it. Ian KD8CEC kd8cec@... (my blog) |
Re: Simple spur fix
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHello Nick,I would to order several of those boards. How would I do so? Ripley KD8UYQ The words are mine but this iPad does what it will with them. On Sep 11, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Nick VK4PP <nickpullen@...> wrote:
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Re: si5351 crosstalk
#radiuno
So what is the impedance the mixer is seeing for the clock from the si5351?
The only claim I saw for the si5351 was an output resistance of 85 ohms if the drive is set to 8MA. Assuming it doesn't have some magical property that it gets lower when outputting a high frequency clock. then the mixer, after the pad, is seeing 59.7 ohms. If by chance the outputs of the si5351 are really current sources, then the mixer would be seeing 82 ohms,? If the si5351 is a current source when driving the high output and a low impedance when driving back to ground, who knows what the mixer is seeing and it doesn't sound symmetrical. How critical is the impedance the mixer sees? Possibly another good reason for a buffer where you can control the impedance better. Tom, wb6b |
Re: si5351 crosstalk
#radiuno
Diode ring mixers are messy.
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The port driven by the local oscillator will have unwanted mixer products coming out of it. Using a 6dB attenuator, most of that junk coming back out will get absorbed by the 50 ohms it sees. If the unwanted products are not absorbed, they can be reflected back into the mixer to create yet more products that can come out of one of the other ports.? Causes birdies in a receiver, spurs in the transmitted signal. That attenuator would work pretty well here if the si5351 were capable of driving with 13dBm of power. It would lose 6 dB going through the attenuator and the mixer would get 7dBm of power like it should. In this case, since the si5351 can't give 13dBm, we should either add a fairly powerful buffer amp between the si5351 and the 6dB pad and/or we should somehow do away with the 6dB pad. Jerry On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Gary Anderson wrote: What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad? |
Re: si5351 crosstalk
#radiuno
What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad?
I was confused, and even more so now? from Kee's post on V4 schematic with increasing series resistance before the 6bB pad ,rather? than decreasing Si5351 drive and winding transformers to match impendance.? Flame Suit On.? Just wishing? to re-cap the well head so all may benefit from the refined uBITX . Regards, Gary AG5TX |
Re: Antenna Loops
#off_topic
David and Dan, I steered you to the wrong MFJ SWR meter. I mentioned
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the MFJ-818, but in fact MFJ manufactures a different model SWR meter, the model MFJ-822, that is cheaper at $60, but curiously seems to be better built than the 818. You can't do much better than the model 822...in fact I may have to heat up my own plastic in prep for a buy. -- Rich WB2GXM On 9/10/18, iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:
If you have room enough I would look to reasonably efficient wire antennas |
Re: Simple spur fix
When transmitting in CW mode, the uBitx disables clk0 and clk1,
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Clk2 into the D1,D2 mixer is at the operating frequency.? There is nothing for clk2 to intermodulate with, so CW transmissions are clean?so long as the transmit LPF's have been taken care of. There is no need to add a 45mhz crystal filter if you only plan to operate CW. Some mods proposed here for adding the extra 45mhz crystal filter will disable CW mode, since they do not provide a DC path for the CW-KEY signal to unbalance the D1,D2 mixer. IMD (Inter-Modulation-Distortion) when transmitting SSB signals is an issue, this will create splatter into adjacent channels.? It gets worse as you up the mike gain. The causes include non-linearities in the IF amps, non-linearities in the four power amp stages, signal levels into the mixers being too strong, and local oscillators into the mixers not being strong enough. These issues are known and it should be possible to resolve them in v5. It remains to be seen if there is an easy fix for v3/v4 boards that sufficiently cures the?IMD issue. For example, perhaps stronger local oscillators from the si5351 using external buffers may help. Unlike the spurs and harmonics previously discussed, IMD is close in to your? transmitted signal, and is something?that other operators nearby in the band may notice. If you do operate in SSB mode, do not use the uBitx with a high powered amp. Be ready to acknowledge reports that your signal is splattering into adjacent channels. Whether or not it is reasonable to operate at 5 or 10 watts with some IMD is up for debate, I don't recall any reports in the forum of others in the band complaining of splatter. Jerry, KE7ER? On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:43 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
with rearranged low pass filters and the additional 45 MHz filter, CW operation is healthy enough to operate. |
Re: NX4832T035 issues
Mark M
The NX4832T035 is listed as a 3.5". The model number should be printed on the back. If yours is not truly a 3.5, it must think it is. :)
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Glad you got it to work. 73... Mark On 9/11/18 4:44 PM, Ross Bell wrote:
Hi Mark: |