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Re: Auto TX Smart Filter Controller #nano #arduino #filters #ubitx

 

Allison

Sounds good.? Then for the power challenged one could put the LCD backlight
on a push-button so it would only be on when needed.?

Arv
_._


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:25 PM ajparent1/KB1GMX <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
Arv,

If using an external filter box and the uBITX internal filters remain in place,?
it seems that the external filters would only need to be activated in transmit?
mode.? That could save some power when in receive mode.??

As is they are wired to only be active on TX.? The only get power when
K1 supplies "TX" (K1 pin 1) voltage to the transmit hardware and that
includes KT1-3 and K3.

With that said .... one can disable all but K3 and with three etch cuts and
jumper TX RF direct to K3 pin16 around the filters completely.? It should
save about 120-150 mA.

Allison


Re: Substitutions

 

Tim

What in the world are you talking about?? Sounds like your reply may be to an
old post from 3 or 4 years ago.? Maybe you responded to some other discussion
group but did in on the BITX20 group by accident?

Arv
_._


Re: Harmonics

 

Try this for the existing 20/17/15 LPF? ....make the three coils all 350nH with a 47pF in parallel (easy to tack on), the capacitors at the ends are both 220pF, the other two are both 360pF. Like Allison (and everyone else....) says, the spurs move with tuned frequency.....these traps are for ~39MHz and only to vary the LPF roll-off, not to "trap" any 23.xx MHz.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

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Thanks Nikos.? I ordered some new SD cards to try.


On 8/13/2018 3:38 PM, SV9CVJ Nikos wrote:

Try with another SD card I changed 4 cards .


Re: Harmonics

 

>>>have been playing with simulation of the 15 meter spur problem.? It seems that?
a series LC trap on the filter output might work but only if the trap has very low?
resistance and if it is exactly on the spur frequency.? Even then LTSpice simulations?
indicate that a couple of db might be lost on the upper end of 15M.? When I added?
a few ohms to the trap to make it broader it caused loss that extended well into the?
ham band.??<<<

Arv,

Consider a series connected parallel tuned trap (High L, low C).

I tried a series trap and the amp went into oscillation at the trap tuned frequency.
I quickly abandoned that approach.

Allison





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Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

 

Try with another SD card I changed 4 cards .


Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

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Thanks Joe.? I tried 2 SD cards I had but I have used them many times in RPI projects so I have ordered a couple new ones.? For power I tried USB port on PC and 5V 3A supply I use with QRP-LABS U3S so I know it is good.? I have also ordered a USB-TTL cable.?

73 Vince N1VIN



On 8/13/2018 2:01 PM, Joe wrote:

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN


Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

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Thanks a lot Pat.? I found the cable on Amazon and it is on it's way.? I very much appreciate your input.

73 Vince N1VIN



On 8/13/2018 3:28 PM, pat griffin wrote:

I am not home and it has been a bit since I did it. You will need an ftdi usb to serial cable ($15 or so) Connect it to the computer USB port and the other end (4 pins) to the 5v, grd, rx, and tx pins on the display. Then select the port in the editor and the download or upload I forget what it is called. I may have left out a step but that’s basically it
Pat


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:53 PM, V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:

Thanks Pat.? Sounds like a great idea but not sure I know how to do that.? Would I cobble together a USB to connect to the 5V, RX, TX, GND?? At this point the display is not connected to the uBitX.? I have 5V & GND connected to USB adapter and computer.


On 8/13/2018 2:33 PM, pat griffin wrote:
You could try downloading directly to the display. It’s slow but it would tell you if the display or card is bad.
73
Pat aa4pg


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Joe <joeman2116@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN



Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

 

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I am not home and it has been a bit since I did it. You will need an ftdi usb to serial cable ($15 or so) Connect it to the computer USB port and the other end (4 pins) to the 5v, grd, rx, and tx pins on the display. Then select the port in the editor and the download or upload I forget what it is called. I may have left out a step but that’s basically it
Pat


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:53 PM, V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:

Thanks Pat.? Sounds like a great idea but not sure I know how to do that.? Would I cobble together a USB to connect to the 5V, RX, TX, GND?? At this point the display is not connected to the uBitX.? I have 5V & GND connected to USB adapter and computer.


On 8/13/2018 2:33 PM, pat griffin wrote:
You could try downloading directly to the display. It’s slow but it would tell you if the display or card is bad.
73
Pat aa4pg


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Joe <joeman2116@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN


Re: Auto TX Smart Filter Controller #nano #arduino #filters #ubitx

 

Arv,

If using an external filter box and the uBITX internal filters remain in place,?
it seems that the external filters would only need to be activated in transmit?
mode.? That could save some power when in receive mode.??

As is they are wired to only be active on TX.? The only get power when
K1 supplies "TX" (K1 pin 1) voltage to the transmit hardware and that
includes KT1-3 and K3.

With that said .... one can disable all but K3 and with three etch cuts and
jumper TX RF direct to K3 pin16 around the filters completely.? It should
save about 120-150 mA.

Allison


Re: Low Power Output for Hendricks BitX20A - Watt meters and Scope readings do not agree.... #bitx20

 

Timothy,

>>all due respect Allison Bitx20A is a dual IRF510/A? class B? design with substantial drive frm small signal drivers .

What is a bitx20A???

Also I made no assumption any Bitx has a Class A amp most builds I've seen would either oscillate or melt
at 1-2 A no signal drain current.? ? Most people run them starved at 50ma to lower the gain of the IRF510
and that near class B.

I built the bitx20 and it was a single device. Maybe? your talking about the hendricks bitx20 could as it had
BS170 push pull driving IRF510 push pull? However, its was unspecified so I covered the known case.

For the Hendricks they could do much more if they didn't break into oscillation first.? Most I got to see were
better power oscillators than transmitters.? Minor changes tamed them and usual was 12-15W.

Both cases 70V PP would be 24W output across 50ohms , you would only get that with the PA at
more than 18V.? or its an incorrect measurement.

Allison


Re: Sunday

 

david.g3ryp <david.g3ryp@...>
06/20/04???
>>>I wonder how much output everyone's getting from the IRF510?? <<<
?
A recurring question.? So basics...

The IRF510 is a power MOSFET with max ratings of 5.6A, 100V, and 43W power dissipation ratings.
There? are a few "yes but..." around those but for the moment we dispense with that.

The power you can obtain is a function of two things the devices gain (well over 13db power gain)
and the amount of drive power.? There is a maximum for drive power as you can literally burn out
the MOS (metal oxide layer) of the fet. The hard DC limit for that is 20V, so the AC peak to peak
should be well under that.? In practical circuits that works the real voltage is much less typically
under 6V.

Now class of operation:

Class A The current flows at the output waveform for the full 360 degrees of a cycle
at the output.? You depart Class A if the current required causes an? increase in
operating? current.? An IRF510 biased at 2A will do at 12V about 24W input power
and about 8W output power (and lots of heat use a good heatsink!).? This means
usually has a low efficiency?typically 30% or so.

Class B? The current flows only for half the cycle.? This is more efficient but care
has to be taken to keep the signal clean at the output connector.? It can be
non-linear as well distorting SSB.

Class C The current flow is less than 180 degrees (half cycle) and is more of a pulse.
With good output filters this produces efficiency in the 70% region and for CW or?
high level AM (plate,collector or drain) modulated amplifiers.? Not used for SSB!

For some applications and to obtain better efficiency? we can bias between Class A
and Class B and this is very common with Class AB or AB1 being the usual for
big tube linear amps and many of the solid state types.? The number after the AB
generally signifies how fare between pure Class A and pure Class B we are.

The typical use of IRF510 is class AB or abouts with a minimum of 50 mA of bias.
It is not always optimal and will depend heavily with the design of the amplifier.
Generally it does not determine over a wide range what the power out will be.

So if you some radio that only gets 2w or a friend that gets 20 the real reason
is clearly not the IRF510.? it comes down to if you only get 2W its likely becase
you only put in maybe 50mW and the other guy put in 1W.??

Allison







Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

V Zecchinelli
 

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Thanks Pat.? Sounds like a great idea but not sure I know how to do that.? Would I cobble together a USB to connect to the 5V, RX, TX, GND?? At this point the display is not connected to the uBitX.? I have 5V & GND connected to USB adapter and computer.


On 8/13/2018 2:33 PM, pat griffin wrote:

You could try downloading directly to the display. It’s slow but it would tell you if the display or card is bad.
73
Pat aa4pg


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Joe <joeman2116@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN


Re: Auto TX Smart Filter Controller #nano #arduino #filters #ubitx

 

Hi Allison,

Yes, with LEDs the LCD would not be needed. The code should handle latching relays. In my case, that may depend on what I find available with prebuilt filter switch boards. Unless I do go ahead and build more from scratch.?

Having manual selection ability is a good idea.?

Tom, wb6b


BTX40 for sale

 

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Re: Auto TX Smart Filter Controller #nano #arduino #filters #ubitx

 

If using an external filter box and the uBITX internal filters remain in place,
it seems that the external filters would only need to be activated in transmit
mode.? That could save some power when in receive mode.?

Arv
_._


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:44 AM ajparent1/KB1GMX <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
Tom
>>I wan't to build a filter I can use with the uBITX. However, I don't want to build a filter that is strictly tied to the uBITX. <<

To me that makes a lot of sense.? A standalone project that can be used for many other
projects.?

Suggestion only..?
A led per filter to signify what one was selected (led and resistor across the relay).?
Then a LCD is not needed.? Might be a reasonable simplification.? Also you can use?
latching relays (power savings, battery powered) that may be handy for portable.

A manual filter selection using one button in a round robin form in case you want the
filter on frequency before transmitting or for receiving.

Allison


Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

 

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You could try downloading directly to the display. It’s slow but it would tell you if the display or card is bad.
73
Pat aa4pg


On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Joe <joeman2116@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN


Re: Harmonics

 

Gordon

I have been playing with simulation of the 15 meter spur problem.? It seems that
a series LC trap on the filter output might work but only if the trap has very low
resistance and if it is exactly on the spur frequency.? Even then LTSpice simulations
indicate that a couple of db might be lost on the upper end of 15M.? When I added
a few ohms to the trap to make it broader it caused loss that extended well into the
ham band.?

Next tests will be with some of the more exotic filter designs (Chebyshev, etc.) which
have sharper attenuation characteristic.?

Arv
_._


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:39 AM Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> wrote:

Yup it looks like a very easy modificaiton to bring about much better result, which is the kind that I like....


but the only band REALLY hard to fix the spur on is the 15 meter one, right?? ?I haven't been paying very close attention to those discussions but it seemed that a simple high pass filter or so would deal with the 12meter and 10 meter issues....


some people might want to do that....

gordon



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Harmonics
?
Gordon,

That looks ideal, many will be reluctant to deal with removing the relays from the board.

If we give up on the 15m,12m,10m bands due to the (45mhz-FOp) spur,
that means all we need is two relays on each side of the three remaining LPF's.

The Fujitsu surface mount relays I mentioned before are around $3 each,
and while not exactly on 0.1" centers they will mount nicely to vectorboard with pads on 0.1" centers.

Jerry




On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Gordon Gibby wrote:

Hi Jerry --- I don't think you were addressing ME, but I just proposed about the same thing on a slightly larger board.??

?

From my photographs and examination of the board, it looks pretty easy to make the required cuts and connections without removing the existing relays.? ?You can see the cuts required on the photo below.? ?I think they could easily be done with an exacto knife, or with a 1/16-1/8" drill, or with an endmill in a drill.? ?

?

If you make multiple wide?cuts on the long traces, their series gap capacitances should be sufficiently small to knock down any bleed-through quite well (I think).? ?Grounding them might even knock it down further.? ?Won't know until this is constructed and tested.? ?

?

And of course, different people may reach completely different conclusions on what is the best solutions, depending on what they feel is the best work/benefit ratio!

?

Gordon


Re: Auto TX Smart Filter Controller #nano #arduino #filters #ubitx

 

Good points.?

Bill,

Yes, it will switch when it sees a new frequency outside the band it is on.

---

Gordon,

Hope the code is able to help you get a start on your project.

---

Howard,

I have a comment in the source code, if this is the only filter that sending the output to a dummy load until the filter is selected would be a good idea. For QRP that dummy load could be small and builtin. That may be a good idea in all cases; even as a supplemental filter.?Some modes like SSB might require sampling the measured frequency counts, averaging and throwing out the outliers. That would increase the time to select the filter making a dummy load more important.

---

Jack,

I'll add the URLs for the libraries. That is a good idea, especially in the case of the frequency counter library.?
For anyone trying the code before I do that, both libraries are listed in and installable from the Arduino Library Manager.

---

Thanks,

I did not want to jump into premature optimizations of the code before I can determine what the real issues will be and can measure and test them. The code is a baseline starting point.?

Tom, wb6b


Re: Nextion Basic 3.2 Display will not update #ubitx

 

Hi,
I have seen this issues several times

1. Make sure your power source is good.
2. Try another microsd card.

Usually one of the above clears the problem

Joe
VE1BWV



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:47 PM V Zecchinelli <n1vin@...> wrote:
I have spent most of today searching through messages and wiki to no avail.? I am using the basic 3.2 Nextion display and am trying to upload the tft file I downloaded from .? SD card is 8Gb and is formatted FAT32 and tft file copied to it.? When I insert the card into the Nextion display it shows Baud:?? 9600 and SD Card Update....... and stalls at that point.? I have waited as long as an hour.? Am? missing something or perhaps I procured a bad Nextion or SD card?
Thank you for any input.
73 Vince N1VIN