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Re: FT8 Pull Request submitted - Signal Level "+" sign

 

Hi David - a 0 will get a plus sign in front of it, which appears to be convention.

BTW - I'm seeing another convention that signal reports are two digits. If that's the case, it's easy to accommodate: just add a "0" digit after the "+" digit that was just added, like this:

????????? sprintf(buff, "%s %3d %+03d %-4.0f ~? %s\n", time_str,

FYI I made this change, and completed an FT8 contact with this new code where the report I sent was formatted as "+03" and the other station decoded it fine.

73; Steve, N3SB


Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 06:55 PM, barry halterman wrote:
My feelings on this issue is that the IDC male header should have been put on the opposite side from the encoders.
Good point, but it's a bit too late for that...
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Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

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My feelings on this issue is that the IDC male header should have been put on the opposite side from the encoders.

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From: Dave, N1AI
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 6:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] New V3 encoder shaft problem.

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My earlier thought was to remove the female ribbon connector and replace the ribbon cable with a ten conductor shielded cable soldered directly to the encoder board, then put that encoder into a case and use it like a mouse.? I'm not favoring that approach right now because the cable I was able to find is pretty darn stiff, so it won't really act like a mouse.? It's probably a bad idea overall.? I suppose removing both the female connector and the male end off the ribbon cable and soldering the ribbon cable's wires directly to the encoder board would lower the profile especially if you pre-trimmed the individual wires to length, but not exactly an ideal approach either.? At least it's one that could be accomplished without buying more stuff, no?? I'm no fan of getting out the soldering iron, I am happier working with software.

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Re: FT8 Pull Request submitted - Signal Level "+" sign

 

Preface: I know almost nothing about coding.?

My question is, how will the logging program respond to a 0(zero) report value since it is unsigned?

David

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 18:39 Steve Beckman <n3sb@...> wrote:
Just submitted a PR to add a "+" sign to FT8 signal reports that are not negative (including the "+" for positive signal levels does appear to be the FT8 convention)

The change is very simple to implement if anyone would like to try it:

In sbitx_ft8.c, line 488, change:

? ????????? sprintf(buff, "%s %3d %3d %-4.0f ~? %s\n", time_str,

to:

????????? sprintf(buff, "%s %3d %+3d %-4.0f ~? %s\n", time_str,

(it's just the addition of a single "+" character.

This will result in signals with a positive strength to show the "+" sign in the output window. It also causes the "+" sign to now be sent (when signal reports are positive) during a QSO.

73; Steve, N3SB


FT8 Pull Request submitted - Signal Level "+" sign

 

Just submitted a PR to add a "+" sign to FT8 signal reports that are not negative (including the "+" for positive signal levels does appear to be the FT8 convention)

The change is very simple to implement if anyone would like to try it:

In sbitx_ft8.c, line 488, change:

? ????????? sprintf(buff, "%s %3d %3d %-4.0f ~? %s\n", time_str,

to:

????????? sprintf(buff, "%s %3d %+3d %-4.0f ~? %s\n", time_str,

(it's just the addition of a single "+" character.

This will result in signals with a positive strength to show the "+" sign in the output window. It also causes the "+" sign to now be sent (when signal reports are positive) during a QSO.

73; Steve, N3SB


Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

I appreciate suggestions that others have posted. I repair transceivers for the ham radio community and have a large list of test gear in my . I currently own 11 HF transceivers at my QTH. The equipment is connected to either a fan dipole or wolf river coils setup. My external ATU's, dummy loads, antenna analyzer, and meters are used to diagnose the equipment when needed. I am certain that my antennas are not resonant at 1.0 SWR on every band as confirmed with my gear.


Thanks.
JJ


Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

I bet it¡¯s something simple. It won¡¯t be long before we have it figured out! ??

after you figure something out it always seems simple, but when it first happens it¡¯s very perplexing!!



Gordon KX4Z?



Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

Not all of my screen shots came through for some reason. Varying power levels don't matter. I paid for a warranty and am expecting the manufacturer chime in and resolve this issue..


Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

My earlier thought was to remove the female ribbon connector and replace the ribbon cable with a ten conductor shielded cable soldered directly to the encoder board, then put that encoder into a case and use it like a mouse.? I'm not favoring that approach right now because the cable I was able to find is pretty darn stiff, so it won't really act like a mouse.? It's probably a bad idea overall.? I suppose removing both the female connector and the male end off the ribbon cable and soldering the ribbon cable's wires directly to the encoder board would lower the profile especially if you pre-trimmed the individual wires to length, but not exactly an ideal approach either.? At least it's one that could be accomplished without buying more stuff, no?? I'm no fan of getting out the soldering iron, I am happier working with software.

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Regards,
Dave, N1AI


Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

Yes Dave, you are correct, the V3 board is on the top and the V2 board on the bottom. The V2 encoders where just barely holding on by about 2-3 threads, I was very careful not to to over tighten them thus stripping what little threads are visible. The obvious solution to me is to use a lower profile ribbon cable plug that would allow the encoders to rest closer to the front panel, however that comes with it's own problems because both plugs would have to be replaced, the one on the radio board and the one on the encoder board, maybe it would be easier to just replace the encoders with longer shaft versions. Another way to do this would be to install standoffs to the encoder board and screw it down to the front panel, (of course this would require drilling holes on the front of the radio), thus abandoning the encoder nuts all together as the means of holding the panel in place.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 04:21 PM, Joel Caulkins/N6ALT wrote:
...the threads on the new encoders are too short. The ribbon cable connector is too tall to allow the encoder threads to poke through the hole. The old encoders just barely made it through but the new ones will never reach.
Interesting.? I had already eyeballed that situation and was planning to investigate further, but you beat me to it.

I presume your photo shows the V3 encoders with the shorter threads on the top, and V2 encoders with the longer threads on the bottom.

I too would like some help resolving this issue.
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Re: sBitx Log File Editor #sBitx

 

See also:?link1?link2

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Re: New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

Forgot the picture.

Joel
N6ALT


sBitx Log File Editor #sBitx

 

The sBitx log file is created in a standard format called sqlite.

I? know just about ZERO relative to databases, but I did find a linux program called sqlitebrowser that is able to open up and edit the sbitx log database.

Installation is simple: sudo apt install sqlitebrowser

Running it is simple too: sqlitebrowser

After opening the sbitx.db file in /home/pi/sbitx/data, I selected the Browse Data tab, and lo and behold, there's my log!

Individual fields can be edited, and entire records can be deleted. Looks a lot like a spreadsheet.

The window may be a bit large for the TFT on the sbitx - I remotely logged in to my sbitx via ssh:

ssh -Y pi@...

and the program runs fine remotely.

73; Steve, N3SB


New V3 encoder shaft problem.

 

When I received my V3 board a couple of weeks ago I just swapped the new board in for the old V2 board, leaving everything else in place. Everything has been mostly working until this morning, the main tuning encoder failed so I proceeded to exchange the new encoder board that came with my V3 board when I discovered it can't work because the threads on the new encoders are too short. The ribbon cable connector is too tall to allow the encoder threads to poke through the hole. The old encoders just barely made it through but the new ones will never reach. Does anybody at HFSignals check this stuff before shipping? This is a real problem that cant easily be solved without ordering new encoders with longer shafts and threads or HFSignals sending new encoder boards out. I'm trying not be too critical of this radio but I'm beginning to loose my patience.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 03:57 PM, Joel Caulkins/N6ALT wrote:
It sounds like most everybody's results are the same, the SWR meter does not work in V3.
That might be an over-simplification of what I wrote.? I don't think I've made an extensive enough exploration to reach the conclusion that it doesn't work, all I've concluded so far is that it gets more accurate ( agrees better with other meters ) when I use more drive power when driving a well-matched load.??
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Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

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For what it's worth:? Most of the time mine shows SWR of 1.0.? I am using an ATU-100 tuner, and when I switch bands and tune up, the SWR meter on the radio fluctuates quite a lot until the tuner settles.? The tuner may report SWR of 1.1 or 1.05 or whatever, and the radio reports 1.0.? Maybe it's just not very sensitive??


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joel Caulkins/N6ALT <caulktel@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 12:57 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help
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On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:32 PM, Dave, N1AI wrote:
Your results may vary
It sounds like most everybody's results are the same, the SWR meter does not work in V3.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:32 PM, Dave, N1AI wrote:
Your results may vary
It sounds like most everybody's results are the same, the SWR meter does not work in V3.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: sBitx V3 - TX output is fine but the SWR measurement is always 1.0 #sBITX_v3 #help

 

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 01:46 PM, JJ - W9JES wrote:
Power output is fine and displayed correctly.
Interesting.? I find with my V3 it is under-reporting the output power, two different external power meters report higher values than the internal one.

The calibration sheet that came with the unit has no mention of whether the SWR was adjusted or checked. I read in a another thread stating that no calibration is required by the operator
Perhaps this post??

and that possibly the diodes are suspect?
?says "Variations in the diodes used in the power meter make it necessary to use calibration of the meter.".? Not sure if this makes diodes suspects or not.? I do read a lot of posts here about those diodes but haven't dug into the issue myself.

I checked user_settings.ini and it shows #fwdpower=0 #vswr=100 and bridge=100. Are these settings correct? Is metercal required to adjust the SWR reading? I haven't opened the sBItx yet to inspect the hardware or measure diodes.
The same link (which is probably what you are reading?) and which is written for the V2 hardware says:

For those who live dangerously

The meter calibration is stored at the value?bridge?in the user_settings.ini file.?You will find the file at /home/pi/sbitx/data/user_settings.ini.

The two usual values for bridge are 100 or 72. If your uncalibrated power meter is reporting excessive power compared to the external power meter reading, you can just edit the bridge setting to 70 (if it is at 100).

Check that the values at 20 watts and 40 watts are within a few watts of each other between the sbitx readings and the attached power meter.

My observation is similar to what others are reporting, you get more accurate SWR readings with more power, and probably need to go beyond four watts to get enough signal to get a more accurate SWR reading.? I've seen my SWR reading move from 1.0 to 1.1 after going from five watts to fifteen watts into a tuned 40 meter dipole.? Your results may vary.

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Dave, N1AI


Re: sBitx Logging issue - and Dupe Checking

 

Ashar,
you say that
"2. The other station replies back with your rst. Now that the reports are exchanged, you enter this in your logger and press the LOG button. The qso is logged."

When the connection is not completed because the RRR or RR73 confirming the reception is not received - then the entry saved in the log file should be deleted. Where can this be done?
Or some data is not correct and after saving it is still possible to see what needs to be corrected - but it is not possible to correct or edit the input saved in the log file.

Is there any concrete solution to this?
If this is the final log, then it's not finished!
Am I waiting for a solution or will the forum solve this too?
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