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Re: uBITX not T-41: Inversion of t/r signal

 

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Hi Mark… welcome aboard.?

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No need to reinvent the wheel… there are plenty of commercial radios doing this already.? I’d just? plagiarize the circuit out of the K3… it works really well for me!

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Hatch
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AmateurRadioBuilders] uBITX not T-41: Inversion of t/r signal

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I am working on a series of new uBITX Raduino boards that support newer MCU's like Teensy, PICO, and the upper end of the Arduino nano family. As part of this I have ported the KD8CEC firmware to these new board designs. All this is on my github:https://github.com/aj6cu

The last item on my hardware TODO list is to provide a remote signal to trigger an amp or a RF switch. The signal that I need to expose is the T/R signal. The problem is that it goes positive on TX and grounds on RX. Sort of the opposite of what external devices expect.

I am looking for a simple and small SMT based solution for this. Tried the obvious googling, but hope you understand I am more a software guy than a hardware so don't understand all the tradeoffs when dealing with RF. I know this sounds like a high school student looking for someone to do his homework ;-) , but perhaps someone can provide a pointer?

Thanks!
73
Mark
AJ6CU/7


uBITX not T-41: Inversion of t/r signal

 

I am working on a series of new uBITX Raduino boards that support newer MCU's like Teensy, PICO, and the upper end of the Arduino nano family. As part of this I have ported the KD8CEC firmware to these new board designs. All this is on my github:https://github.com/aj6cu

The last item on my hardware TODO list is to provide a remote signal to trigger an amp or a RF switch. The signal that I need to expose is the T/R signal. The problem is that it goes positive on TX and grounds on RX. Sort of the opposite of what external devices expect.

I am looking for a simple and small SMT based solution for this. Tried the obvious googling, but hope you understand I am more a software guy than a hardware so don't understand all the tradeoffs when dealing with RF. I know this sounds like a high school student looking for someone to do his homework ;-) , but perhaps someone can provide a pointer?

Thanks!
73
Mark
AJ6CU/7


Re: File /K9HZ 20W 1-54 MHz RF Amplifier module/20W AMP 160M-6M Troubleshooting Guide V1.00 101523.pdf uploaded #file-notice

 

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Thanks Lou.? I’ve had two people in the last month tell me that they had faulty connectors on the coax they used at the output of the amp (not the surface mount but the one on the coax)… and they got warm to hot from pro-longed operation.? I’ll make a future video of me WELDING sheet metal with this thing.? It really is pretty much bullet-proof.

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The troubleshooting document is short and covers some of the common mistakes and expected voltages.? I probably missed some obvious things so if there are others that want to contribute to it… please send me your updates.

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Glenn… I took your advice and added a pad for capacitors (albeit stacked) right at the output transformer (T3) center tap to ground.? Doesn’t make a difference at low frequency, but does at higher frequency. ?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lou, KI5FTY
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 10:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] File /K9HZ 20W 1-54 MHz RF Amplifier module/20W AMP 160M-6M Troubleshooting Guide V1.00 101523.pdf uploaded #file-notice

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Bill, thanks?for this, very helpful

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On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 1:01?PM Group Notification <[email protected]> wrote:

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Re: File /K9HZ 20W 1-54 MHz RF Amplifier module/20W AMP 160M-6M Troubleshooting Guide V1.00 101523.pdf uploaded #file-notice

 

Bill, thanks?for this, very helpful


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Re: 20w rf amp - need help

 

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Ok… ?well I did send you another 3 foot length Friday a week ago by Airmail.? It’s the right stuff for what you need.?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce VA3BKI
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2023 8:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 20w rf amp - need help

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This is an expansion.
I have ordered backup thru aliexpress. Just shipped. See in 2-3 weeks. Not a problem. $1.39 a yard rarher than $12 a foot-quite a difference I want to build V012 so waiting till available.?
Following comments I have ordered screen and teensy-thru PJRC? and now know I can get it thru degikey which has office in Canada.
Also ordered a 120v-3.3v converter from aliexpress as I don't have that voltage on my bench. May be noisy but hopefully adequate for testing.
Thanks for your followup.
73,
Bruce VA3BKI


Re: 20w rf amp - need help

 

This is an expansion.
I have ordered backup thru aliexpress. Just shipped. See in 2-3 weeks. Not a problem. $1.39 a yard rarher than $12 a foot-quite a difference I want to build V012 so waiting till available.?
Following comments I have ordered screen and teensy-thru PJRC? and now know I can get it thru degikey which has office in Canada.
Also ordered a 120v-3.3v converter from aliexpress as I don't have that voltage on my bench. May be noisy but hopefully adequate for testing.
Thanks for your followup.
73,
Bruce VA3BKI


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

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Yes, I use Kicad too… but the original files were and still are in DipTrace.?

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Eagle has vacillated between FREE and EXPENSIVE the entire time it’s been available.? I believe it’s been discontinued now…

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of dominic via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2023 2:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 8 files uploaded #file-notice

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A very very long time ago I used Eagle, too, until "they" decided that student/hobbyist licenses for
a few 100 $ are no longer available.
After continuing a while with the license I still had got, I felt that I should look for an alternative and
switched to KiCad (see ), a free and also open source EDA.
While it took some time to get used to it, I never regretted having switched to it - maybe have a look,
at least it can import Eagle files, don't know if it also supports Diptrace ;-)

73 de Dominic HB9HEI


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

A very very long time ago I used Eagle, too, until "they" decided that student/hobbyist licenses for
a few 100 $ are no longer available.
After continuing a while with the license I still had got, I felt that I should look for an alternative and
switched to KiCad (see ), a free and also open source EDA.
While it took some time to get used to it, I never regretted having switched to it - maybe have a look,
at least it can import Eagle files, don't know if it also supports Diptrace ;-)

73 de Dominic HB9HEI


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

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Yeah.? Well, it’s a really good design program for small PCBs…. Eagle is better for large designs by far.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Glenn P
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 9:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 8 files uploaded #file-notice

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OK Bill, thanks for that.

Just wondering really, but not about to spend that sort of money. (US$700 = ~AUD$950)

Glenn

vk3pe

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On 15/10/2023 11:58 am, K9HZ wrote:

Hi Glenn…

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Well… Its not necessarily my favorite, but Al started this by using “Diptrace”… so I bought a copy (the 1000 pin version).? It’s cheap for the low pin count but gets progressively more expensive with additional pins.? The new V012 RF board has more than 1100 pins so the version you would need to purchase is about $700 USD.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Glenn P
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 7:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 8 files uploaded #file-notice

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Bill, what software are you using for the Sch and PCB's?

vk3pe


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

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OK Bill, thanks for that.

Just wondering really, but not about to spend that sort of money. (US$700 = ~AUD$950)

Glenn

vk3pe


On 15/10/2023 11:58 am, K9HZ wrote:

Hi Glenn…

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Well… Its not necessarily my favorite, but Al started this by using “Diptrace”… so I bought a copy (the 1000 pin version).? It’s cheap for the low pin count but gets progressively more expensive with additional pins.? The new V012 RF board has more than 1100 pins so the version you would need to purchase is about $700 USD.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Glenn P
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 7:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 8 files uploaded #file-notice

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Bill, what software are you using for the Sch and PCB's?

vk3pe


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

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Hi Glenn…

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Well… Its not necessarily my favorite, but Al started this by using “Diptrace”… so I bought a copy (the 1000 pin version).? It’s cheap for the low pin count but gets progressively more expensive with additional pins.? The new V012 RF board has more than 1100 pins so the version you would need to purchase is about $700 USD.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Glenn P
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 7:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 8 files uploaded #file-notice

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Bill, what software are you using for the Sch and PCB's?

vk3pe


Re: 8 files uploaded #file-notice

 

Bill, what software are you using for the Sch and PCB's?

vk3pe


Re: 20w rf amp - need help

 

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Bruce… did you get the wire?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce VA3BKI
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 4:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AmateurRadioBuilders] 20w rf amp - need help

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Don't know how to send this to one person as K9HZ probably has to answer this.

In winding L2 I find I cannot get 7 turns done I am a little short - maybe not strong enough to pull it tighter.

My questions. I have 18 gauge wire - is that adequate to create L2 or do I need 20 gauge.

I can get 20 gauge at aliexpress but it probably is not silver coated and finish is not TFE.

I found it at one vendor but the min length is 100 ft. at an insane price.

Can I use 20 gauge PVC wire - no silver coating.

IF not can I buy another piece from K9HZ.

Thanks for any help
73,

Bruce VA3BKI


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Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

 

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Ok Lou, I’ll get you in touch with the right folks.? I’m currently at a conference in Denver so this my take a couple of days…

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lou, KI5FTY
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2023 8:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

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Hey Bill, the?developer version of sBitx was my driver to build your amp, I have not integrated it yet but would love to find the others that did it already.? If you know of?a thread where that was discussed, that would be great.? Thanks for all your efforts and great projects.

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Lou

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On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:06?PM K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

Ok no problem.? There are others in the sBITx group that have already done it.? I’ll send them your way.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gordon Gibby
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 2:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

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It’s up to you. ? I have 2 degrees in electrical engineering and adding this amplifier to a tightly constructed SBitx ?version two would not be something I would be interested in trying on my own at this point. ? .? Just like you have better things to do, so do I. ? ?If you think it’s such an easy task, then the pathway is obvious…..

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Everyone of us gets to choose what we do.

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73

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Kx4z. ?

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On Oct 8, 2023, at 15:08, Larry Acklin <acklin@...> wrote:

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Test. How to avoid the previous posts? Don’t hit the show quoted text?

Larry
KB3CUF


Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

 

Hey Bill, the?developer version of sBitx was my driver to build your amp, I have not integrated it yet but would love to find the others that did it already.? If you know of?a thread where that was discussed, that would be great.? Thanks for all your efforts and great projects.

Lou

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:06?PM K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

Ok no problem.? There are others in the sBITx group that have already done it.? I’ll send them your way.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gordon Gibby
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 2:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

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It’s up to you. ? I have 2 degrees in electrical engineering and adding this amplifier to a tightly constructed SBitx ?version two would not be something I would be interested in trying on my own at this point. ? .? Just like you have better things to do, so do I. ? ?If you think it’s such an easy task, then the pathway is obvious…..

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Everyone of us gets to choose what we do.

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73

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Kx4z. ?



On Oct 8, 2023, at 15:08, Larry Acklin <acklin@...> wrote:

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Test. How to avoid the previous posts? Don’t hit the show quoted text?

Larry
KB3CUF


Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

 

That would be great! When you’re talking mounting something new, photographs are always a great idea!


Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] V010 vs V011

 

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Just wanted to clarify in case there was any misunderstanding.

Thanks,

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Al

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