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What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

Jim All Messages By This Member #353 Hello. I am going to try this again. I can't find any historical information as to the genesis of the "principles" commonly studied and used in AA. My reading of the BB and other literature leads me to think that the Steps and the Traditions ARE THE PRINCIPLES. So who "invented" the various versions of the principles. e.g.? ? The Cleveland site says:?The office was recently contacted by a long-timer who pointed out that the following article provides a list of spiritual?virtues?(not principles) that originated from a plaque which was sold years ago and may originally came from a Grapevine article or other AA newsletter. It is known in the rooms of AA that the spiritual principles are the Twelve Steps. To be thorough, the 36 principles are the?,??and?. There are many different spiritual virtue lists that refer to the Twelve Steps which have been printed by other AA’s over the years. Although used by many AA members, they are not Conference Approved and the origin of these lists are unknown. Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself.?" TIA Jim??
John Schram All Messages By This Member #357 Forward to 12 and 12 states steps are the principles John toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sent: Aug 19, 2020 3:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps? Hello. I am going to try this again. I can't find any historical information as to the genesis of the "principles" commonly studied and used in AA. My reading of the BB and other literature leads me to think that the Steps and the Traditions ARE THE PRINCIPLES. So who "invented" the various versions of the principles. e.g.? ? The Cleveland site says:?The office was recently contacted by a long-timer who pointed out that the following article provides a list of spiritual?virtues?(not principles) that originated from a plaque which was sold years ago and may originally came from a Grapevine article or other AA newsletter. It is known in the rooms of AA that the spiritual principles are the Twelve Steps. To be thorough, the 36 principles are the?,??and?. There are many different spiritual virtue lists that refer to the Twelve Steps which have been printed by other AA’s over the years. Although used by many AA members, they are not Conference Approved and the origin of these lists are unknown. Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself.?" TIA Jim??
Thom R. All Messages By This Member #358 Interesting. I did a talk last night on Zoom in Oregon and mentioned how "principles' and "steps" are interchangeable according to the Big Book. Talk is attached. Just under 12 minutes. AA - Thom R. at Surrender to Win in Seaside, OR 08-18-20 on How it Works and Steps 3-7 _M1_.mp3 AA - Thom R. at Surrender to Win in Seaside, OR 08-18-20 on How it Works and Steps 3-7 _M1_.mp3
-Ric in Homestead, Fl All Messages By This Member #364 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 03:35 PM, Jim wrote: ? ? The Cleveland site says:?The office was recently contacted by a long-timer who pointed out that the following article provides a list of spiritual?virtues?(not principles) that originated from a plaque which was sold years ago and may originally came from a Grapevine article or other AA newsletter. It is known in the rooms of AA that the spiritual principles are the Twelve Steps. To be thorough, the 36 principles are the?,??and?. ? There are many different spiritual virtue lists that refer to the Twelve Steps which have been printed by other AA’s over the years. Although used by many AA members, they are not Conference Approved and the origin of these lists are unknown. Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself.?" ?
-Ric in Homestead, Fl All Messages By This Member #365 Thank you Jim, This is what I've been looking for. It always sounded foreign to me when I hear someone mention principles behind principles.
Samantha Friend All Messages By This Member #366 This talk was great great insight into how it works many thanks do you have any other talks on the steps or history? Sam
Tom Hickcox All Messages By This Member #367 These principles have been listed by A.A.s, but outside the purview of the official A.A. organization. IOW, they are opinions and should be viewed as such, drunk junk as someone put it. Tommy H Danville, Ky
Thom R. All Messages By This Member #368 Be careful what you wish for, Sam. ;) In the meantime, here's another, this time, on Step 10. Best, Thom AA - Thom R and AArin R on Step 10 at Action in Action, London, UK 08-05-20.mp3 AA - Thom R and AArin R on Step 10 at Action in Action, London, UK 08-05-20.mp3
Thom R. All Messages By This Member #369 I agree with Tommy wholeheartedly and I myself have seen some pretty "out there" versions of said list. In early sobriety when sharing, I loved to harp on about "my list" of principles. Ha! I didn't have any principles YET are you kidding me! But just try telling THAT to a 'third year wonder" such as myself. Now, at 28, I still have a list, sure, and it has evolved a lot and I DO still think that my list is the only correct one BUT I also know that to even think it's official would make me more full of dung than an outdoor AA meeting in a horse stable. ;) But for fun, here's my current "official" (drunk junk) list, current as of 28 years of sobriety (not so important) and One Day At A Time (critical): STEP 1) Honesty and Surrender STEP 2) Hope STEP 3) Faith STEP 4) Courage STEP 5) Trust STEP 6) Acceptance STEP 7) Humility STEP 8) Willingness STEP 9) Love and Mercy STEP 10) Recovery and Perseverance STEP 11) Unity and Service STEP 12) Integrity And they all combine into one more principle: "Sound Judgement" which happens to be the dictionary definition of the word "Sanity". And I can explain in depth why they are what they are if anyone cares. And if not? I can continue to be right without you, it just won't be easy but I'll manage. Thanks for reading my share. (HA! HA. ha. huh??) ;) Best, Thom
Doris Ringbloom All Messages By This Member #370 The 12x12 refers directly to some principles. First and foremost, as already mentioned above, ...Twelve Steps are a group of principals... But also check the following pages: 21-22 38 56 70 86 181 In joy Doris Ringbloom
Jim All Messages By This Member #371 Thanks to all who have responded with the great historical information. The summary seems to be that they are "ok" or "cute" and may vary and may be helpful like other customs that have sprung up but have no official standing or factual history.? Thanks to all Jim toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 11:15 Doris Ringbloom <Doris.ringbloom@...> wrote: The 12x12 refers directly to some principles. First and foremost, as already mentioned above, ...Twelve Steps are a group of principals... But also check the following pages: 21-22 38 56 70 86 181 In joy Doris Ringbloom
Brian All Messages By This Member #372 Recoveryspeakers.com has about every speaker and topic you’d care to hear. Great website and resource! Cheers Brian 801-403-8789 Sent while mobile. Please excuse any typos!
Byron B All Messages By This Member #373 Here's another log for the fire. Note: This is from a final report of the General Service Conference. There is a little more on this in the conference report quoted. Page 7 of the 2001 FINAL REPORT* (The 51^st annual GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE of ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS) ? ? 2. Living the A.A. Principles in All Our Affairs a) What are the basic A.A. Principles? There are 36 A.A. principles that can be reduced to "Love and Service." They include the Twelve Steps, Twelve Traditions and Twelve Concepts. These principles carry the message of A.A. by helping members to maintain sobriety and maintain our singleness of purpose. They include honesty, open-mindedness and willingness; recovery, unity and service; love and acceptance: unselfishness, humility, patience, and sacrifice; trusting in God, cleaning house and helping others. The basic A.A. principles are spiritual ideals. Taking newcomers to different groups helps them learn to experience the A.A. principles of recovery, unity and service.
Jim All Messages By This Member #374 Thanks Byron!? A good one. Jim toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 03:32 Byron B <byronbateman@...> wrote: Here's another log for the fire. Note: This is from a final report of the General Service Conference. There is a little more on this in the conference report quoted. Page 7 of the 2001 FINAL REPORT* (The 51^st annual GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE of ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS) ? ? 2. Living the A.A. Principles in All Our Affairs a) What are the basic A.A. Principles? There are 36 A.A. principles that can be reduced to "Love and Service." They include the Twelve Steps, Twelve Traditions and Twelve Concepts. These principles carry the message of A.A. by helping members to maintain sobriety and maintain our singleness of purpose. They include honesty, open-mindedness and willingness; recovery, unity and service; love and acceptance: unselfishness, humility, patience, and sacrifice; trusting in God, cleaning house and helping others. The basic A.A. principles are spiritual ideals. Taking newcomers to different groups helps them learn to experience the A.A. principles of recovery, unity and service.

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