Re: Have we anyone able to tell us more about the ideas of Hank P's prominent Chicago physician regarding pressure of the spinal fluid, their history and validity?
The only thing I have ever found that MIGHT be relative to this is the following from Dr. Siilkworth's April, 1937 article "Reclamation of the Alcoholic" in Medical Record:
"To relieve the pressure in the brain and spinal cord (unless spinal puncture is contemplated), dehydration must begun at once. Unless contraindicated, we begin with a large dose of physic, preferably a cathartic to be followed by a saline purgative."
Perhaps Silkworth had read the "prominent Chicago physician's" report of this phenomenon and passed that knowledge along to Hank?
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Have we anyone able to tell us more about the ideas of Hank P's prominent Chicago physician regarding pressure of the spinal fluid, their history and validity?
On page 140 paragraph 2 Hank P wrote "I well remember the shock I received when a prominent doctor in Chicago told me of cases where pressure of the spinal fluid actually ruptured the brain."
Do we have anyone with knowledge of medicine and/or medical history who can tell us more about this spinal fluid pressure theory??
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 01:54 PM, <roger.a.wheatley@...> wrote:
Question is why was Henrietta in El Paso, TX...There is a document cited in Wikipedia I don't have access to. it was written by Bill Pittman and Richard G. Burns. anyone have access that can put it in the files?
I don't see any citation for a Dick B. / Bill Pittman collaboration in the Wikipedia article as it stands today. [Moderator comment: and this is exactly why we frown on using Wikipedia as a source here at AAHL. The quality of it has really gone down the tubes and even the co-founder of it has publicly stated that it has been compromised by activists. Nowadays, no citation or source for statements fact seems to be more and more of the norm there. Therefore, I personally hope we as a group don't use or try to use Wikipedia as a source anymore. We can do better than that. -Thom] Can you clarify which document you are looking for?? The only book I know that they collaborated on as "compilers" is "Courage to Change: The Christian Roots of the Twelve-Step Movement" which is an edited collection of Sam Shoemaker's writings primarily prior to Bill Wilson's writing of the Big Book along with historical information.? There is nothing I can see online or on the Wikipedia page indicating that Pittman collaborated on either of Dick B's works which are cited in the article:? The Akron Genesis of Alcoholics Anonymous. First Edition Design Pub. ISBN 9781937520397 or? When Early Aas Were Cured And Why. Good Book Publishing Company. ISBN 9781885803948.
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Dick B's book About Henrietta?
Henrietta B. Seiberling: Ohio's Lady with a Cause
?doesn't answer the question of exactly where they met and why she was wherever that was. He does say:  -- Duane R-H
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The Wikipedia article is probably?. It notes that she grew up in El Paso and San Antonio.
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Hi Roger, Where is the document in Wikipedia? Can you provide a link to the article? James in Dallas
[Moderator note: Just as a FYI, we try not to use Wikipedia as a defacto source for anything due to the fact that even the co-founder has stated publicly that he knows that has been compromised by activists and can't be fully trusted, but in this case, it's just part of a conversation, so in this context, I approved this message? -Thom]
Wondering if any of you scholars may be able to assist.? Henrietta Buckler was born in Lawrenceburg, KY and is buried here in KY. She attended college in NY and that is where she lived when she died.? She met Lt John Seiberling while he was mobilized with the Ohio National guard in El Paso, TX during the same time and by the same new federal authorities Bill was mobilized from Norwich.? Question is why was Henrietta in El Paso, TX. One source (John Seiberling bio) says she was from there. So living there maybe but why and when?? After graduation from Vassar College in NY???
There is a document cited in Wikipedia I don't have access to. it was written by Bill Pittman and Richard G. Burns. anyone have access that can put it in the files?? It may be helpful in answering the question.
Thank you all very much for any help you can provide.
Roger Wheatley
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Wondering if any of you scholars may be able to assist.? Henrietta Buckler was born in Lawrenceburg, KY and is buried here in KY. She attended college in NY and that is where she lived when she died.? She met Lt John Seiberling while he was mobilized with the Ohio National guard in El Paso, TX during the same time and by the same new federal authorities Bill was mobilized from Norwich.? Question is why was Henrietta in El Paso, TX. One source (John Seiberling bio) says she was from there. So living there maybe but why and when?? After graduation from Vassar College in NY???
There is a document cited in Wikipedia I don't have access to. it was written by Bill Pittman and Richard G. Burns. anyone have access that can put it in the files?? It may be helpful in answering the question.
Thank you all very much for any help you can provide.
Roger Wheatley
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Founder¡¯s Day today and I wax back to 1981 when I painted the attached portraits.? In the process, I had asked Nell Wing (Bill¡¯s secretary for 25 years) to describe the physical characteristics (hair and eye color, etc.). When completed I sent Nell photos of Bill and Dr. Bob and she commented as you can read in the attachment. I actually met Nell, very briefly. at the 1995 International Convention in San Diego. This is, of course, ?one of my favorite AA keepsakes. The originals are hanging at my local club. ? Bob S ? Robert Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, IN 47374 765 935-0130 ? ? ? ?
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Bernard B Smith and his contribution to AA
I thought of doing some sort of write up on Bern, but I think reading the intro to the book is sufficient, and the remainder of the info paints a pretty good picture of his contribution and influence.
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AA Big Book Historical Presentation
This will be an in-depth presentation on the Our Basic Text using powerpoint and archival research. Our hope is that everyone who is a student of the history of AA as well as those who may not be will benefit extremly from these presentations. Drew will be cataloguing places, people, and events with powerpoint and Bill will use his extensive research as well as powerpoint to communicate the Twelve Step Experience that the Big Book Transmits.
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This book was assembled, bound, and inscribed especially for Bern Smith. The photos are all the description it needs!
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Re: UK 1st Edition Big Book
Fantastic work. Thanks. I appreciate you confirming that UK Big Books have continued to have the same stories as American editions. I wondered.
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Hope this works. Just signed up. Thank you
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Serveral on-line sources, including the Final Report of the 69th Annual Meeting of the General Service Conference of Alcoholics Anonymous, list an Ed Nyland, as "Senior Production Manager, Print" at A.A.W.S., and the January 2020 issue of the *A.A. Grapevine", in an article titled "One Book¡¯s Journey" says he's a non-alcoholic (p 31). I have no idea if this the same Ed Nyland who supposedly helped write Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers. The one I found theoretically could have helped with the book's publication, but that was 42 years ago.
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Thanks for the background, Thom, on the goings on
with silkworth dot net.
I wondered if something seriously had happened of
late to the website with all the ads and web bugs I encountered that I swore had
not been there before.
I thought it was just me.
That's really really sad to hear.
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And is still available
[Moderator note: Yes
but it's now being run by a rather nasty person who is trying to use it as a
money grab. The reason that silkworth.info is down is because this person
attacked it with "DMCA takedown requests" and had the silkworth.info forced
offline so that the silkworth.net (that they purchased from the old owner and
yes, that was the mistake, the old owner believed that he was giving the site
to someone who would care for it, not exploit it) version of the site can stay
up... but with lots of very shady ads and web bugs. Forcing silkworth.info
offline was cruel and the new .net owner should not be benefitting from this
in my view.... but currently they are benefitting in very shady ways. And YES
this is all on topic for AAHL. It leads straight to some important sources for
our research being available, accessible and not corrupted by opportunists.
What can be more important than that? -Thom]
thank you so much all of you. Will and??be up
again? so sad to see two extremely important websites go offline. I do hope
someone has archived the files though.?
kind regards
Liese
[Moderator note: I do indeed have copies of both sites and at
least one of them is being worked on as I get time. :) -Thom]
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And is still available
[Moderator note: Yes but it's now being run by a rather nasty person who is trying to use it as a money grab. The reason that silkworth.info is down is because this person attacked it with "DMCA takedown requests" and had the silkworth.info forced offline so that the silkworth.net (that they purchased from the old owner and yes, that was the mistake, the old owner believed that he was giving the site to someone who would care for it, not exploit it) version of the site can stay up... but with lots of very shady ads and web bugs. Forcing silkworth.info offline was cruel and the new .net owner should not be benefitting from this in my view.... but currently they are benefitting in very shady ways. And YES this is all on topic for AAHL. It leads straight to some important sources for our research being available, accessible and not corrupted by opportunists. What can be more important than that? -Thom]
thank you so much all of you. Will and??be up again? so sad to see two extremely important websites go offline. I do hope someone has archived the files though.?
kind regards Liese
[Moderator note: I do indeed have copies of both sites and at least one of them is being worked on as I get time. :) -Thom]
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Is separate?from (which?seems to be up and running, though heavily laden with ads)?
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[Moderator comment: Yes, it is. Long story as to what happened but the new person running silkworth.net is now trying to make money from it. Yes, mistakes were made. There's a lot going on in the background and AAHL is trying to help. Fingers crossed. -Thom]
thank you so much all of you. Will and??be up again? so sad to see two extremely important websites go offline. I do hope someone has archived the files though.?
kind regards Liese
[Moderator note: I do indeed have copies of both sites and at least one of them is being worked on as I get time. :) -Thom]
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thank you so much all of you. Will silkworth.info and??be up again? so sad to see two extremely important websites go offline. I do hope someone has archived the files though.?
kind regards Liese
[Moderator note: I do indeed have copies of both sites and at least one of them is being worked on as I get time. :) -Thom]
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