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File /Glenn F Chesnut AA History/History of AA History Lovers Glenn Chestnut.pdf uploaded #file-notice

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The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Thom R.

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The History of AA History Lovers by Glenn F. Chesnut-- and WE, together, are just getting started in writing the next chapter(s) and to continue this!
Re: SPECIAL EVENT for Glenn F. Chesnut! September 12th on #zoom #announcements

 
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This #event, Glenn's memorial, is TODAY at 1PM pacific!?

Please join us as we celebrate the life and legacy of AA historian and fellow, Glenn C. (Southbend, IN).

Hosted by Jackie B., 2021 Chair of the A.A. History Symposium, and Thom R., moderator of the AAHistoryLovers Group.

DATE: Saturday, September 12, 2020
TIME: 1:00 - 3:00pm PDT (4PM-6PM EDT, 9PM-11PM BST/GMT)
ZOOM ID: 881-1483-2224
PASSWORD: 1935
"History of the Big Book" #event on #zoom September 20th #event #zoom

 

For more info please see:?

REGISTRATION is FREE but you can also make donations to Stepping Stones during registration if you want. They can always use them.

Best,

Thom
Those "Dark Promises"

 

I recently found those dark promises that I inquired about several weeks ago. I hope these are useful.

The 12 “Dark” Promises:

1. You will pass into a state where the most powerful desire to stop drinking is of absolutely no avail. (24)
2. You will place yourself beyond human aid. (24)
3. Your life will become impossible to manage. (25)
4. No real alcoholic will ever control the desire to drink. (30)
5. Over any considerable period of time you will get worse never better. (30)
6. You will reach that jumping off place, you will wish for the end. (152)
7. You will have no effective mental defense against that first drink. (43)
8. You will suffer from a hopeless, helpless state of mind and body. (20)
9. You will deal with incomprehensible demoralization. (30)
10. You will know loneliness as few men do. (152)
11. You will be unable to picture life with, or without alcohol. (152)
12. You’ll come to know those hideous four horsemen, Terror,Bewilderment, Frustration and Despair. (151)

THESE PROMISES ARE ALSO VITAL TO RECOVERY…
THEY HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST!
Re: SPECIAL EVENT for Glenn F. Chesnut! September 12th on #zoom #announcements

 

Thanks for the invite.? Look forward to it.? Jerry D
Re: When Bill and Lois left the OG

 

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And btw where is that list written by Bill AA Main Events...? Im searching but not finding!?

On Sep 3, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Thom R. <thomr021092@...> wrote:

?Lois Remembers, p. 197 (supports August):

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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
Re: When Bill and Lois left the OG

 

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I wonder what her diary does show for all those weds nights after March 28th. ?She lists every wed night ?till march 28 then what? ?Since she was so diligent for 3 months why would she not write even once over the next 4 months if they went. ?I also wonder what it shows previously in 1936. ?Are there entries every wed in 1936. ?Also in early 35. ?Did she document Bill going before he went to Akron and after he came back. ?I would like to see but in the big picture it doesnt matter. ?I am reading WTBB and saw where Schamberg assumed they stopped going in the spring then saw you post about August and noticed the difference. ?Also there is this listing online attricuted to Nancy O. Which we know is wrong. There are lots out conflicting history out there about all kinds of stuff. Im not worried about it and thanks Thom for posting that. ?

On Sep 3, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Thom R. <thomr021092@...> wrote:

?Lois Remembers, p. 197 (supports August):

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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
Re: When Bill and Lois left the OG

 

Lois Remembers, p. 197 (supports August):

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When Bill and Lois left the OG

 

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Gene,

Your information is most likely correct. I had information that Bill and Lois left the OG in AUGUST of 1937 as listed below:

  • AA Comes of Age: PP 74-76.? However, I recently checked but could find no August date. ?
  • Lois Remembers: p. 197.? I do not have that book for reference.

Thanks for the heads-up on this matter.

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Bob S.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] An inadvertent OG gift

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The reason I asked is because It seems logical they stopped going in April 37. ?Lois shows they went every week in jan, feb and March with March 28 being her last entry. ?I figured you had something that showed they kept going till august. We can see in Writting the BB Bills documentation March 28 was the lasttime they went to weekly to the weekly OG meeting.?



On Sep 3, 2020, at 12:41 AM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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Re: An inadvertent OG gift

 

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The reason I asked is because It seems logical they stopped going in April 37. ?Lois shows they went every week in jan, feb and March with March 28 being her last entry. ?I figured you had something that showed they kept going till august. We can see in Writting the BB Bills documentation March 28 was the lasttime they went to weekly to the weekly OG meeting.?


On Sep 3, 2020, at 12:41 AM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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Gene,

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This statement was not derived from any source—it is simply a logical conclusion.

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Bob S

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] An inadvertent OG gift

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On the internet and in some books ive read ive seen a couple different time frame for Ny break from OG. ?Is there written documentation for this time frame. Bob ?I know you do alot of AA history and you wouldnt make this statemnt if you didnt have hard evidence for it.?

Thanks, Gene

On Aug 31, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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This is the last day of August. If Bill and Lois would not have left the Oxford Group in NY eighty-three years ago this month, we would not have Twelve Steps.

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Bob S

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Bob S

<Origin of the 12 Steps .pdf>

<Origin of the 12 Steps .docx>


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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca


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Bob S

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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
Re: AA History Lovers Messages

Jim Myers
 

Hi group!

I'm all in for Jim B's idea of having a data base file that is searchable. You make it sound pretty easy Jim. But you lost me with the algorithms part. I have no idea how to create such a data base file.

I also think it would be nice to have Text, MS Word and PDF files that are searchable as well. These type of files, when their programs are updated, I'm sure the files will be updated over time as folks use them so they won't be lost.

I found an online tool that corrects the line breaks in a text file with a single click of the mouse. However, it will still require editing though speeding up the edits a bit. Here is the link to take care of the line breaks for text files:?

The line breaks can also be removed in a MS Word doc as well. Here is the link for a tutorial on removing breaks of any kind in a MS Word doc:?

If any of you would like to take a look at these Two links and you become interested in editing a text or MS Word document, that would be great, if that's OK with you Thom.

As for the PDF files - those can be done in a matter of minutes. The downfall is, the MS Word document needs to be done First in order to preserve the links for the PDF file that will be created from the MS Word document.

If it's ok with you Thom, I'm just throwing this out there as a means of tackling the task at hand.

You (anyone) can get back to me at jim.myers56@...?if you'd like to take a crack at editing one of the text or word docs. I will attach a file to a reply email and keep tabs on who has what documents. This too, is just a thought. Spreading out the work among a group will speed up the process. One thinking of how much work that needs to be done over all can be very overwhelming. If you only have One document to edit, it won't be as overwhelming to get the job done. Getting started on the One document you may have is the hard part. Once you get started and find your niche, it suddenly becomes very easy.?

Just an idea.

Ever yours,
Jim

PS - I want to thank you all for your continued support of silkworth.info over the years.
To: Michael, Thom, Eugene and Mark... Thank you for your donations! Your donations will go to cover all costs for services that are used for silkworth.info.
To: Jim B... Thank you again for the set of 12 CDs of data you sent me this past January!
Re: An inadvertent OG gift

 

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Gene,

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This statement was not derived from any source—it is simply a logical conclusion.

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Bob S

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] An inadvertent OG gift

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On the internet and in some books ive read ive seen a couple different time frame for Ny break from OG. ?Is there written documentation for this time frame. Bob ?I know you do alot of AA history and you wouldnt make this statemnt if you didnt have hard evidence for it.?

Thanks, Gene

On Aug 31, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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This is the last day of August. If Bill and Lois would not have left the Oxford Group in NY eighty-three years ago this month, we would not have Twelve Steps.

?

Bob S

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Bob S

<Origin of the 12 Steps .pdf>

<Origin of the 12 Steps .docx>


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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca


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Bob S
Re: An inadvertent OG gift

 

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On the internet and in some books ive read ive seen a couple different time frame for Ny break from OG. ?Is there written documentation for this time frame. Bob ?I know you do alot of AA history and you wouldnt make this statemnt if you didnt have hard evidence for it.?
Thanks, Gene

On Aug 31, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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This is the last day of August. If Bill and Lois would not have left the Oxford Group in NY eighty-three years ago this month, we would not have Twelve Steps.

?

Bob S

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Bob S
<Origin of the 12 Steps .pdf>
<Origin of the 12 Steps .docx>

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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
Re: AA History Lovers Messages

 

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Ty Jim for all you have done. ?I for one have made a couple donations to you and I hope others do also......
Gene

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First, let me say, thank you for your kind words!
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I will be brief, but I will give those here who may not know, a very brief history of my original site, silkworth.net, how it came into play, why and its current status. I should also mention at this time, that I'm no computer expert. I'm not a writer or author of anything other than my website.
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I was first introduced to the Fellowship on October 31st, 1981. Anything having to do with Alcoholics Anonymous history was not even on my mind for years. It wasn't until early 1999 that I was First introduced to computers. I didn't even like them. They maid me feel stupid. I didn't even know how to turn One on.
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My mother was taking a trip to our homeland, St. Johns Newfoundland, Canada to visit family. She was already using computers but I was still clueless. At that time, she liked to use a program on the Internet called, "ICQ", which, at that time, I believe was the largest communication network in the World via computers. All you needed in order to use it, was an Internet connection. She showed me how to use ICQ so that we could communicate with one-another without having to pay for long distance phone charges while she was in Newfoundland, Canada and I in South Carolina, USA at the time.
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After learning how to use ICQ, I quickly became fascinated with computers. It was quite apparent that I had a pretty big part of the World at my fingertips. I met folks from around the World, became friends with some, but I grew very tired of the ICQ program quickly because of its limitations. I just new that there was much more I could do with computers, so, I set out to discover, if you will. I started exploring the Internet, searching for anything that came to mind.?
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One topic that has always fascinated me from childhood, was the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence. Some of the pages that came back in the search results could do some pretty neat things back then. Of course, back then, everything was pretty neat as far as computers were concerned. I had it in my head that I was going to learn how to do some of those neat tricks. I quickly learned how to view the source code underneath those web pages that made the web pages look the way they did. So, I set out to teach myself how to create my First website (about UFO's, of course). I quickly found a place online that had an editor to create/build websites. It was Netscape, though it was short lived. I was soon introduced to the editor, Dreamweaver, by a truck driver that worked for the same company as I, Eckerd Drug.
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Out of curiosity, I started searching for anything having to do with Alcoholics Anonymous. One day, towards the end of 1999, one page that came back in the search results was about Alcoholics Anonymous history. That site was created by Mitchell K. who was sponsored by Clarence Snyder (to this day, I still have a copy of on the silkworth site today). It wasn't a big website, but it got my undivided attention, 100%. I became fascinated with Alcoholics Anonymous history right a way. It was Mitchell's website that inspired me to start searching for anything having to do with Alcoholics Anonymous and its history, which, of course, led me to start creating my own AA history website.
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At that time, I began searching for anything having to do with AA history and learned how to save all the information returned from the search results - proof reading everything - learning how to do things such as creating a drop down menu. I searched high and low and had accumulated a lot of information about Alcoholics Anonymous. I knew that moving forward meant the site had to be strictly about Alcoholics Anonymous and its history. It couldn't be about any other Twelve Step Program, other than a little information about Al-anon. Thus began my journey... I remember my daughter (about 11 or 12), in my First Five years working on my site. Cheyenne would bring her friends over and she would introduce me to her friends and then my daughter would point to my computer and say, "That's my fathers wife."
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What was very important to me back then and still so now, was to gather as much information about Alcoholics Anonymous and its history, bringing it all to One place on the Internet for folks to find. It was also important for me to present the information in a way that it could somehow, be helpful to the visitors to the site - especially to anyone new to Alcoholics Anonymous. I remember early on, I thought, if the site helped One person, then the site did what it was supposed to do. I'll be 64 on New years Eve and One of the emails that stands out in my mind right now, was an elderly man contacted me and simply stated, "Thank you for saving my sons life!"
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I did a lot of experimenting early on; trying new things and such; continued to learn new things a long the way. The website originally launched on December 12th, 2000 on the World Wide Web to the general public under the domain name: silkworth.net. I was once asked, why did I choose the domain name, silkworth, in the domain name? My answer: "Was it not Dr. Silkworth who better helped us understand our disease of alcoholism?" It became clear to me that the website needed to be provided for free, as it should be; that the site could not be used for monetary gain. In my eyes, Alcoholics Anonymous is not for sale! And this is where my original website, silkworth.net comes into play.?
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In early 2017, after working on the site for approximately 16 years, I gave up the site to a guy just outside of London. He flew here, came to my home, talked a while, we signed a contract - he left the same day. He wasn't to use the site for monetary gain. Well, that is exactly what he has done with the site. He later told me that he was using the site for monetary gain. There has been no contact with him for over 2 years. I was told once that he doesn't reply to visitor emails. And this is where my site, silkworth.info comes into play.
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After being asked by many, I decided to rebuild my website under the new domain name, ; no clutter, no ads, nothing for sale - only the information that the visitor is looking for - black on white for the most part - nothing fancy.? It was suggested that I use the name, Silkworth, in my new domain name address in order to compete with my original website address in the Search Engines. So, there you have it.
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Silkworth.info and all the information it provides, will always be free to the visitors in hopes that it continues to be helpful in some way or another. As time passes, some directories will have to be password protected, requiring membership due to the contents sensitivity/copyrights. Anyone can request membership.

"This Website was created solely for the purpose for someone, somewhere, seeking help and answers about alcohol related problems, so that a new way of living, without the need to drink, can be realized." -from my Disclaimer web page.
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Ever yours,
Jim,
silkworth.info
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Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
An inadvertent OG gift

 

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This is the last day of August. If Bill and Lois would not have left the Oxford Group in NY eighty-three years ago this month, we would not have Twelve Steps.

?

Bob S

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Bob S

Origin of the 12 Steps .pdf
Origin of the 12 Steps .pdf
Origin of the 12 Steps .docx
Origin of the 12 Steps .docx

Re: AA History Lovers Messages

 

Gutenberg site has figured a lot of this out. They post out of print books by scanning and then editing. First they gave 1 person a doc file to edit and each one would get posted. Now they have a way to automate it so you can just do bits online.
Just a thought.
If either Silkworth or AAHL wants to send me a "chunk" I'm happy to edit .? We need standards. Do we take out all header except who sent it and the date? How are threads organized? Etc.

Thanks for all you do.
Doris
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Ultimately, what you want is a database file in which search strings are parsed into individual words (and single quote are properly quoted in searches).? Then you pull back the data based upon largest number to lowest number of hits (a little more complex than it sounds).

We will not even get into the complex algorithms google uses in their cubes and the fact that they have separate but similar cubes to perform searches against (really a rather remarkable search engine).

I may be able to find some time to help, but I need to know constraints of environment to search in and limitations of databases available to store the data.

Jim

On 8/30/2020 11:25 AM, Thom R. wrote:

Yes, unfortunately I did know that and we all are well aware this is a huge undertaking. I'm very happy.

I'm indeed willing to take the lead on this because it has to get done. I think the first thing we all need to discuss and we can discuss it right here is workflow. But before we even do that we should discuss technique. Does anyone have any idea what the best way to attack this problem might be? I'd like to hear some ideas. There's got to be a better way than manual editing there just has to be. Even though I've been putting in a ton of time on it whenever I get the time it's just so monumental of a task.

But I could not agree more, this project going to take a group effort. Maybe I should open up a chat for this so we can have a real discussion there? What do you think? Notice if you look we have chat rooms we can create that are static so we can really really go at it without blowing up this forum section.

Thoughts??

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for all you've done over the years. So grateful you have made progress on the NEW Silkworth site!? (??) Also happy to see a "donate" link! We all know there are costs involved with maintaining and building the site, so I hope everyone will notice the "donate" link as they mine that site for useful information!?

Some may not know the history of the two silkworth sites, so you, or Thom (I assume he knows) may need to explain that a little bit so folks are supporting the new silkworth.info site and not the old silkworth site.

Thanks again Jim!
-Mike


Mike Margetis
Brunswick, MD
mfmargetis@...?
Re: AA History Lovers Messages

 

And by the way your work on the silkworth site is nothing short of outstanding.
Re: AA History Lovers Messages

 

We could absolutely use your help. Please see my reply to Jim also. Let's put our heads together and figure out the best way to approach this and make it a team effort so that we can get it done. It's a Monumental task and effort but I think together we can do this!

I've been working on a way to get the last messages out of AAHL 2 but Yahoo has gutted it so bad that is proving a challenge. But I'm here to tell you that I'm going to get them.
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