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Re: Damage to electronic devices as raised about Digital Electronic Vernier Calipers.


 

David - there is no simple Y or N, sorry.

But since you asked -
"Then the TIG Arc causes/releases a large amount of unrefined/uncontrolled Radio Frequency (RF) signals." Y N Maybe Sort of, it is actually a spectrum Y

"This then swamps and damages any electronics in the vicinity. Am I correct? Y Maybe Maybe

The power of the TIG arc (welder) and the distance to the piece of electronic equipment, increases or decreases the risk of damage. Generally Y

Does that mean MIG is not so bad, as it has a sacrificial electrode? N Doesn't matter

Any arc (mig, tig, plasma cutters, arc lamps in theaters, Jacob's ladders, Tesla coils, Neon lights, spark plugs, etc.) will generate electromagnetic radiation. Whether the electrode is consumable or not is immaterial. It is the arc which is formed when the voltage between the electrodes is enough that the electrons on one electrode can jump to the other that causes the radiation.

The strength of electromagnetic field is much higher in some arcs than others.

The sensitivity of the electronic device will vary without any way to quantify.

The error induced in an electronic device might be a simple as a color changing from FFFFFF to FFFEFF (which your eye could not notice) or it might change something where that bit makes a machine instead of moving 0.010mm it thinks the move should be 10.01mm.

When there is excess radiation near an electronic circuit (which is more susceptible than some other things), the radiation can enter the circuit and create voltage levels that make the circuit do unpredictable things. That is the annoying side of the problem. If there is enough radiation that causes the circuit to become unstable then damage might occur. Then the next level is when the radiation is even higher and the circuit is damaged directly by the induced current. Then there is the case of more severe radiation, such as an EMP (electro-magnetic pulse), which generates enough radiation that motors and transformers might see excessive current and become damaged.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:17?PM DAVID WILLIAMS via <d.i.williams=[email protected]> wrote:
Dear All,

I know this is partially off the original topic. But the possibility that certain workshop equipment may affect or even damage everyday equipment, viz a flat screen TV etc., seems very important. So I hope you will understand my request, as I have no knowledge of such matters. Thus may I have some detailed advice.?

I am not into Tungsten Inert Gas (TIG) welding, ?(as mentioned, it’s technically called Gas Tungsten Arc Welding, GTAW - thank you for the info.) I only undertake a very limited amount of Metal Inert Gas (MIG) and Gas, plus I did do some ‘old style’ Arc welding some years ago.

So, presumably as it says (TIG) has a non eroding electrode. (Plus an inert consumable rod.)?
Then the TIG Arc causes/releases a large amount of unrefined/uncontolled Radio Frequency (RF) signals. This then swamps and damages any electronics in the vicinity. Am I correct??
A simple Y or N will be more than OK, thankyou.

The power of the TIG arc (welder) and the distance to the piece of electronic equipment, increases or decreases the risk of damage. Again correct? ?(Presumably the inverse square law applies. So the manufacturer could(?) give guidance about the risks?)?

Does that mean MIG is not so bad, as it has a sacrificial electrode? Again, I have no idea. Anyone know??

Plus - ?Thanks for the info on the solar storms. Very interesting. (Everyday is a day at school, even when you have seen a lot of Summers.)

Thanks in anticipation,

David Williams
(From across the Pond. Nr Oxford.)?



On 9 Dec 2024, at 20:59, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

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Welders & flat screen TV's too . I had a bud that spent many thousand $$ on a Lincoln water cooled TIG welder . First time he used it took out his fairly new flatscreen TV . Good thing he was between wife's when that happened .

animal

On 12/9/24 11:24 AM, Bruce J via wrote:
Well it’s not just welders and LED lights…

"SOLAR STORMS ARE DRIVING FARMERS CRAZY:?Planting season is a hectic time for farmers. For many, it means working through the night using GPS-guided tractors to plant thousands of acres in a short period of time. The season was in full swing on May 10, 2024, when the biggest solar storm in decades struck Earth.?

"Our tractors acted like they were demon possessed," says Elaine Ramstad, a Spaceweather.com reader and aurora chaser who helps out on a family farm in Northern Minnesota. "All my cousins called me during the May 10th storm to tell me that 'my auroras' were driving them crazy while they were planting.”




Probably not Johannes’ problem, though…:-)

My shop is lit by LED bulbs or fixtures I got at Costco 4 or 5 years back to replace the old flickering ?fluorescent ones; but I haven’t noticed any issues in use ?with my calipers until the batteries get low, which produces just those kinds of weird issues.?

On Dec 9, 2024, at 4:40?AM, flyfishingdude9 via <flyfishingdude9@...> wrote:

When I GTAW the HF start really messes with all of my DRO's, and digital calipers/micrometers. ? It turns them on, turns them off, the displays show erroneous readings.? I thought they were possessed until I figured out it was the TIG's HF start that was causing the problem.? ?

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