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Strange topic, but possibly an interesting one.
I live in on a house barge on the Potomac River in Washington, DC and have had a shop at a weekend cabin in West Virginia since 2008. For many years we spend weekends at the cabin and the shop was my recreation while my wife was gardening. As years have passed and my mobility has declined that arrangement has become difficult. We recently bought a new house in Southern Maryland with a two car garage and I relocated all the machinery (Burke #4 horizontal mill, Atlas 10” lathe, 12” table saw, 13” planer, 6” jointer, 16 speed floor model drill press, 6” horizontal band saw, 14” vertical band saw, a couple of bench grinders, miscellaneous power and manual tools, a couple of rolling tool chests and a couple of machinists tool boxes, etc.). The WV shop was about ? the size of the garage and I’d be interested in the group’s suggestions for setting up a new shop.
The old shop was uninsulated and heated by a wood stove and measured 14’ X 22’. It had a 30 A, 240 V breaker panel and 120V 20 A outlets generously distributed on the side walls, plus an overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop. It had two sets of metal shelving, a couple of sets of 2X4 framed shelving along the walls, and a 2” deep X 8’ long workbench along one wall with storage underneath. ?It was lit by four 4’ fluorescent, two lamp lighting fixtures mounted on the trusses. It had a 10’ clearance to the roof trusses and a 2 ton chain fall supported across six trusses. I moved that to the garage in MD. Neither shop has a finished ceiling.
The garage is unheated and uninsulated but attached to the house and could be insulated in the future. The house lot is well shaded and on a really hot (90+ degrees F) the shop is comfortable with both the garage doors open. The garage currently has only one 15 A circuit for a couple of overhead bare bulb light fixtures and the garage door openers. I have an electrician coming shortly to add at least 20 A circuit with multiple outlets, and possibly a 30 A 240V sub panel. Since it is a one-man shop I never need to run more than one piece of machinery at a time, so the total amperage is less of a concern than having a lot of convenient outlets.
So, having enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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Here are some things I'm doing with the shop in our new home (under
construction now), not everything will apply to you.
Bright lights!? Provision for two 48W LED fixtures, DC operated LEDs
so zero flicker.
HEATED!? Tired of freezing my digits off in the winter.
Skylight (more light, opens to vent fumes, summer heat).
Two windows, placed higher than normal so benches can push to wall
with low shelves.
Large door.? No garage door.? The front is a wide entry door with
the extra leaf that opens.
Porch set up as a small loading dock at end of driveway.? Railing
will swing away to allow loading/unloading from car roof or pickup
truck.
Lots of outlets.? Most 16A, 220V 50Hz, one 380V for the milling
machine.? Two 220V outlets designated as high current for welder,
one just inside the door and one outside on corner of house partway
down the driveway.
Outside flat concrete work area at top of driveway.? Can park an
extra car or use for welding/assembly.
In this picture the workshop is the 1 story part to the right.? The
flat work area will be the rectangle formed by the front corner of
the house and the near side of the shop.? The driveway and work area
will be roofed.
Inside
On 7/14/20 10:22 AM, rfmarchi1 via
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So, having
enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what
suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be
innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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The first thing I would do is to maybe have two overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop.
With the reels you do not have to cover your walls with outlets. Probably one or two may be dedicated for certain machinery but in general just use the reels.
Ralph
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jerry Durand < jdurand@...> wrote:
Here are some things I'm doing with the shop in our new home (under
construction now), not everything will apply to you.
Bright lights!? Provision for two 48W LED fixtures, DC operated LEDs
so zero flicker.
HEATED!? Tired of freezing my digits off in the winter.
Skylight (more light, opens to vent fumes, summer heat).
Two windows, placed higher than normal so benches can push to wall
with low shelves.
Large door.? No garage door.? The front is a wide entry door with
the extra leaf that opens.
Porch set up as a small loading dock at end of driveway.? Railing
will swing away to allow loading/unloading from car roof or pickup
truck.
Lots of outlets.? Most 16A, 220V 50Hz, one 380V for the milling
machine.? Two 220V outlets designated as high current for welder,
one just inside the door and one outside on corner of house partway
down the driveway.
Outside flat concrete work area at top of driveway.? Can park an
extra car or use for welding/assembly.
In this picture the workshop is the 1 story part to the right.? The
flat work area will be the rectangle formed by the front corner of
the house and the near side of the shop.? The driveway and work area
will be roofed.
Inside
On 7/14/20 10:22 AM, rfmarchi1 via
wrote:
So, having
enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what
suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be
innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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I forgot, I do have one overhead power circuit.
On 7/14/20 10:50 AM, Ralph Hulslander
wrote:
The first thing I would do is to maybe have two
overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the
shop.
With the reels you do not have to cover your walls with
outlets. Probably one or two may be dedicated for certain
machinery but in general just use the reels.
Ralph
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How much do you have to spend? ? Rick Lathrop ? ?
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From: rfmarchi1 via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:23 PM To: 4x6bandsaw@groups.ioSubject: [4x6bandsaw] Setting up a new shop... seeking advice ? Strange topic, but possibly an interesting one. I live in on a house barge on the Potomac River in Washington, DC and have had a shop at a weekend cabin in West Virginia since 2008. For many years we spend weekends at the cabin and the shop was my recreation while my wife was gardening. As years have passed and my mobility has declined that arrangement has become difficult. We recently bought a new house in Southern Maryland with a two car garage and I relocated all the machinery (Burke #4 horizontal mill, Atlas 10” lathe, 12” table saw, 13” planer, 6” jointer, 16 speed floor model drill press, 6” horizontal band saw, 14” vertical band saw, a couple of bench grinders, miscellaneous power and manual tools, a couple of rolling tool chests and a couple of machinists tool boxes, etc.). The WV shop was about ? the size of the garage and I’d be interested in the group’s suggestions for setting up a new shop. The old shop was uninsulated and heated by a wood stove and measured 14’ X 22’. It had a 30 A, 240 V breaker panel and 120V 20 A outlets generously distributed on the side walls, plus an overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop. It had two sets of metal shelving, a couple of sets of 2X4 framed shelving along the walls, and a 2” deep X 8’ long workbench along one wall with storage underneath.? It was lit by four 4’ fluorescent, two lamp lighting fixtures mounted on the trusses. It had a 10’ clearance to the roof trusses and a 2 ton chain fall supported across six trusses. I moved that to the garage in MD. Neither shop has a finished ceiling. The garage is unheated and uninsulated but attached to the house and could be insulated in the future. The house lot is well shaded and on a really hot (90+ degrees F) the shop is comfortable with both the garage doors open. The garage currently has only one 15 A circuit for a couple of overhead bare bulb light fixtures and the garage door openers. I have an electrician coming shortly to add at least 20 A circuit with multiple outlets, and possibly a 30 A 240V sub panel. Since it is a one-man shop I never need to run more than one piece of machinery at a time, so the total amperage is less of a concern than having a lot of convenient outlets. So, having enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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I am about to do this, too, with my current workshop becoming accommodation.? I was going to put up a steel workshop and insulate it, but a friend suggested all my tools would rust and that wood would be better. Is this true?
Philip
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What the walls are made of make no difference,
what causes the rust is fast changes in temperature.? Going from
cold to warm rapidly causes moisture to condense on the tools.
Also, do NOT allow your wife to do her woodworking in there!? The
sawdust that gets on everything is acid and attracts moisture!
On 7/14/20 11:07 AM, donnygadee via
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I am
about to do this, too, with my current workshop becoming
accommodation.? I was going to put up a steel workshop and
insulate it, but a friend suggested all my tools would rust and
that wood would be better. Is this true?
Philip
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Before you get everything moved in, paint the floor with a 2-part solvent based epoxy paint.? The water based stuff may be ok too, but I'm skeptical.? I painted my garage floor about 10 years ago, and it has held up great.? Clean any grease and oil stains as much as you can, then etch the concrete with muriatic acid (google for safety info), then roll the paint on.
-Joe
Strange topic, but possibly an interesting one.
I live in on a house barge on the Potomac River in Washington, DC and have had a shop at a weekend cabin in West Virginia since 2008. For many years we spend weekends at the cabin and the shop was my recreation while my wife was gardening. As years have passed and my mobility has declined that arrangement has become difficult. We recently bought a new house in Southern Maryland with a two car garage and I relocated all the machinery (Burke #4 horizontal mill, Atlas 10” lathe, 12” table saw, 13” planer, 6” jointer, 16 speed floor model drill press, 6” horizontal band saw, 14” vertical band saw, a couple of bench grinders, miscellaneous power and manual tools, a couple of rolling tool chests and a couple of machinists tool boxes, etc.). The WV shop was about ? the size of the garage and I’d be interested in the group’s suggestions for setting up a new shop.
The old shop was uninsulated and heated by a wood stove and measured 14’ X 22’. It had a 30 A, 240 V breaker panel and 120V 20 A outlets generously distributed on the side walls, plus an overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop. It had two sets of metal shelving, a couple of sets of 2X4 framed shelving along the walls, and a 2” deep X 8’ long workbench along one wall with storage underneath. ?It was lit by four 4’ fluorescent, two lamp lighting fixtures mounted on the trusses. It had a 10’ clearance to the roof trusses and a 2 ton chain fall supported across six trusses. I moved that to the garage in MD. Neither shop has a finished ceiling.
The garage is unheated and uninsulated but attached to the house and could be insulated in the future. The house lot is well shaded and on a really hot (90+ degrees F) the shop is comfortable with both the garage doors open. The garage currently has only one 15 A circuit for a couple of overhead bare bulb light fixtures and the garage door openers. I have an electrician coming shortly to add at least 20 A circuit with multiple outlets, and possibly a 30 A 240V sub panel. Since it is a one-man shop I never need to run more than one piece of machinery at a time, so the total amperage is less of a concern than having a lot of convenient outlets.
So, having enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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Too bad, you are moving. I always enjoyed hearing about your floating shop. People would argue with me about the importance of leveling a lathe, and I would point to your arrangement. ? My shop is 150 square feet and has served me well for over 15 years. I put in a big sub box and 20 circuit breakers. Each outlet box is on a separate circuit. I can then change any box from 120V to 220V as needed. The extra cost in breakers and wires was minimal. It has saved me a few times. I do have an outlet in the ceiling which feeds a cord reel but rarely need it. ? I have a smoke alarm that is connected to the smoke alarm grid in the house. If there is a fire in the shop when I’m not there, I still want to know about it. ? The ceiling is covered in fluorescent fixtures. IIRC, there is a KW up there. You can never have enough light. If I could have put in a skylight, I would have done it. ? Since this is Phoenix, A/C was essential. I installed a 1-ton split unit after two wall units died. No need for heat in the “winter.” The walls filled with insulation but, more importantly, the attic has a blanket about 12-inches thick. In the heat of summer, the attic gets to 200°F. ? After framing but before I hung the sheetrock, I coated the concrete floor with an epoxy-based paint. It has held up OK, not great. On the few times I dropped something heavy and chipped the floor, it was really obvious. In a few places, it has worn off. Maybe there is a better product available now. My previous shop had no paint on the floor, and the concrete was of poor quality. It always felt like I was walking on fine sand. ? Best of luck with your new place, ? Rick ?
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Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Setting up a new shop... seeking advice ? Strange topic, but possibly an interesting one. I live in on a house barge on the Potomac River in Washington, DC and have had a shop at a weekend cabin in West Virginia since 2008. For many years we spend weekends at the cabin and the shop was my recreation while my wife was gardening. As years have passed and my mobility has declined that arrangement has become difficult. We recently bought a new house in Southern Maryland with a two car garage and I relocated all the machinery (Burke #4 horizontal mill, Atlas 10” lathe, 12” table saw, 13” planer, 6” jointer, 16 speed floor model drill press, 6” horizontal band saw, 14” vertical band saw, a couple of bench grinders, miscellaneous power and manual tools, a couple of rolling tool chests and a couple of machinists tool boxes, etc.). The WV shop was about ? the size of the garage and I’d be interested in the group’s suggestions for setting up a new shop. The old shop was uninsulated and heated by a wood stove and measured 14’ X 22’. It had a 30 A, 240 V breaker panel and 120V 20 A outlets generously distributed on the side walls, plus an overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop. It had two sets of metal shelving, a couple of sets of 2X4 framed shelving along the walls, and a 2” deep X 8’ long workbench along one wall with storage underneath.? It was lit by four 4’ fluorescent, two lamp lighting fixtures mounted on the trusses. It had a 10’ clearance to the roof trusses and a 2 ton chain fall supported across six trusses. I moved that to the garage in MD. Neither shop has a finished ceiling. The garage is unheated and uninsulated but attached to the house and could be insulated in the future. The house lot is well shaded and on a really hot (90+ degrees F) the shop is comfortable with both the garage doors open. The garage currently has only one 15 A circuit for a couple of overhead bare bulb light fixtures and the garage door openers. I have an electrician coming shortly to add at least 20 A circuit with multiple outlets, and possibly a 30 A 240V sub panel. Since it is a one-man shop I never need to run more than one piece of machinery at a time, so the total amperage is less of a concern than having a lot of convenient outlets. So, having enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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Oh, one more thing – my walls are covered with this plastic sheet that you sometimes see in commercial bathrooms. It is a snap to wipe up oil that has flung from a machine. Trying to get oil off of drywall is hard. This plastic is also tough. It takes heavy bumps without showing it. ? Being bright white, at least when new, it reflects light well. ? Rick ?
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Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Setting up a new shop... seeking advice ? Strange topic, but possibly an interesting one. I live in on a house barge on the Potomac River in Washington, DC and have had a shop at a weekend cabin in West Virginia since 2008. For many years we spend weekends at the cabin and the shop was my recreation while my wife was gardening. As years have passed and my mobility has declined that arrangement has become difficult. We recently bought a new house in Southern Maryland with a two car garage and I relocated all the machinery (Burke #4 horizontal mill, Atlas 10” lathe, 12” table saw, 13” planer, 6” jointer, 16 speed floor model drill press, 6” horizontal band saw, 14” vertical band saw, a couple of bench grinders, miscellaneous power and manual tools, a couple of rolling tool chests and a couple of machinists tool boxes, etc.). The WV shop was about ? the size of the garage and I’d be interested in the group’s suggestions for setting up a new shop. The old shop was uninsulated and heated by a wood stove and measured 14’ X 22’. It had a 30 A, 240 V breaker panel and 120V 20 A outlets generously distributed on the side walls, plus an overhead 20 A electric reel that reached almost anywhere in the shop. It had two sets of metal shelving, a couple of sets of 2X4 framed shelving along the walls, and a 2” deep X 8’ long workbench along one wall with storage underneath.? It was lit by four 4’ fluorescent, two lamp lighting fixtures mounted on the trusses. It had a 10’ clearance to the roof trusses and a 2 ton chain fall supported across six trusses. I moved that to the garage in MD. Neither shop has a finished ceiling. The garage is unheated and uninsulated but attached to the house and could be insulated in the future. The house lot is well shaded and on a really hot (90+ degrees F) the shop is comfortable with both the garage doors open. The garage currently has only one 15 A circuit for a couple of overhead bare bulb light fixtures and the garage door openers. I have an electrician coming shortly to add at least 20 A circuit with multiple outlets, and possibly a 30 A 240V sub panel. Since it is a one-man shop I never need to run more than one piece of machinery at a time, so the total amperage is less of a concern than having a lot of convenient outlets. So, having enjoyed the advice of the group for 10 – 12 years, I wonder what suggestions you have for setting up a brand new shop. Be innovative, we may all learn something in the process.
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Might be a good thing to put up behind my mill,
the walls are smooth concrete to be painted.? A thin sheet of some
plastic hung there surly couldn't hurt.? Probably not hot pink.
Our walls, currently drying before the smoothing top coat and
later paint
On 7/14/20 2:34 PM, Rick Sparber wrote:
Oh, one more thing – my walls are covered
with this plastic sheet that you sometimes see in commercial
bathrooms. It is a snap to wipe up oil that has flung from a
machine. Trying to get oil off of drywall is hard. This
plastic is also tough. It takes heavy bumps without showing
it.
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Being bright white, at least when new, it
reflects light well.
?
Rick
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Jerry,
It sees the most action behind my lathe.?
Rick
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On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
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Might be a good thing to put up behind my mill,
the walls are smooth concrete to be painted.? A thin sheet of some
plastic hung there surly couldn't hurt.? Probably not hot pink.
Our walls, currently drying before the smoothing top coat and
later paint
On 7/14/20 2:34 PM, Rick Sparber wrote:
Oh, one more thing – my walls are covered
with this plastic sheet that you sometimes see in commercial
bathrooms. It is a snap to wipe up oil that has flung from a
machine. Trying to get oil off of drywall is hard. This
plastic is also tough. It takes heavy bumps without showing
it.
?
Being bright white, at least when new, it
reflects light well.
?
Rick
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Gotta echo Jerry,
Heat, Light and Powerpoints! Attached for more info - jv
Jerry,
It sees the most action behind my lathe.?
Rick On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
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Might be a good thing to put up behind my mill,
the walls are smooth concrete to be painted.? A thin sheet of some
plastic hung there surly couldn't hurt.? Probably not hot pink.
Our walls, currently drying before the smoothing top coat and
later paint
On 7/14/20 2:34 PM, Rick Sparber wrote:
Oh, one more thing – my walls are covered
with this plastic sheet that you sometimes see in commercial
bathrooms. It is a snap to wipe up oil that has flung from a
machine. Trying to get oil off of drywall is hard. This
plastic is also tough. It takes heavy bumps without showing
it.
?
Being bright white, at least when new, it
reflects light well.
?
Rick
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My shop slab is 20 x 40 with a 2-foot loading dock in front and a 10-foot covered porch in the back.? The studs are 2x8, and the walls and ceiling are insulated, covered with 1/2" plywood, caulked, and painted white.? The ceiling is 10 feet high and has 15 dual 4-foot led fixtures.? It has a 30-amp panel.? There is one 220V breaker for the mill and an outlet on the back porch in case I want to take up arc welding.? The shop is wired with 10-gauge wire feeding dual duplex outlets every 6 feet.? Each outlet box has feeds from two breakers, and the outlets on the wast (metalworking) side are separate from those on the east (woodworking) side.? There are separate circuits feeding the air compressor and the through wall A/C.? With A/C in the summer (necessary in central Texas) and several portable electric heaters the equipment stays rust-free and is usable year round.? The Grizzly mill and the Craftsman 6x18 lathe are covered when not in use, so the wood dust is not too much of a problem.? Water is from a couple of 15-gallon barrels, and the back porch doubles as a bathroom.? Most of my tools are on wheels.? I only have dust collection on the table saw and the band saw, while the shop vac services the belt sander and planer.? All in all, I'm happy with the layout, but the 4x8 workbench could have bee a bit smaller (3x6?).? Storage is two roll-around tool chests, a 5-drawer lateral file for routers, drills, saws & accessories, sanders & grinders, and pneumatic tools.? A 10-drawer dual computer card file holds mill & lathe accessories, planes, chisels, metal stock, & a whole mess of other stuff.? Shelves go all around the shop above the doors and windows and on the walls in the northwest corner.? I wanted sheer drapes on the four windows and the french doors, but the wife found some cheap lace curtains.? The drill press and scroll saw were my Dad's and are probably older than me (74). Ro'unding out the list is the radial arm saw, and the 4x6 band saw (just to keep this post relevant).? - Ed
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Fiberglass reinforced plastic?sheathing is cheap, durable and easy to work with.?
Gotta echo Jerry,
Heat, Light and Powerpoints! Attached for more info - jv
Jerry,
It sees the most action behind my lathe.?
Rick On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
?
Might be a good thing to put up behind my mill,
the walls are smooth concrete to be painted.? A thin sheet of some
plastic hung there surly couldn't hurt.? Probably not hot pink.
Our walls, currently drying before the smoothing top coat and
later paint
On 7/14/20 2:34 PM, Rick Sparber wrote:
Oh, one more thing – my walls are covered
with this plastic sheet that you sometimes see in commercial
bathrooms. It is a snap to wipe up oil that has flung from a
machine. Trying to get oil off of drywall is hard. This
plastic is also tough. It takes heavy bumps without showing
it.
?
Being bright white, at least when new, it
reflects light well.
?
Rick
?
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Jerry Durand, WhatsApp, Telegram, VK
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Thanks to all for the terrific suggestions. Now all I have to do is get it built!
Dick
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Do not attach anything to the floor at least for a couple of months. You may have to deal with some vibration and stuff moving around while you're using it but if you wait a couple months before you attach it to the floor is guaranteed you won't have to unattach it and move it again!6u
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Do not attach anything to the floor at least for a couple of months. You may have to deal with some vibration and stuff moving around while you're using it but if you wait a couple months before you attach it to the floor is guaranteed you won't have to unattach it and move it again!
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Here's another thought.? I currently live in the suburbs, but I'd
like to buy some land outside of town in a few years and build a
house & shop.? When I do, the shop will be heated & cooled
with geothermal heat.? I might do a greenhouse too, .
He buried french drain piping in a big loop out through his yard
and blows air through it.? It keeps it warm in the winter and cool
in the summer.? His greenhouse grows a wide variety of plants
(including oranges) year round in Nebraska, which gets a fair
amount of snow.
-Joe
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Do not attach anything to the floor at least for a couple of
months. You may have to deal with some vibration and stuff moving
around while you're using it but if you wait a couple months
before you attach it to the floor is guaranteed you won't have to
unattach it and move it again!6u
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John Vreede
seb fontana