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Anyone know of a good source of replacement blade guide bearings? The ones
on my saw have gotten very noisy. The bearing spindle has an eccentric for
adjustment. With an internal hex for allen wrench. Do all of the import saws
use this type of guide bearing?
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I might be wrong in this, but I believe that the bearings themselves are ordinary ball bearings with their number marked on them. Any bearing shop should be able to provide quality replacements. Also, I seem to recall someone telling us that standard in-line skate wheel bearings make good inexpensive replacements, or am I 'remembering' incorrectly? (I suffer from CRS... "Can't Remember S...") ";-) At 10:22 AM 2/11/2004, Carey Culpepper wrote: Anyone know of a good source of replacement blade guide bearings? The ones
on my saw have gotten very noisy. The bearing spindle has an eccentric for
adjustment. With an internal hex for allen wrench. Do all of the import saws
use this type of guide bearing? Regards, Bob
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Bob: The guide bearings on my machine are needle bearing.They are like cam
follower bearings but with an eccentric shaft used for tension adjustments.
While I was out in the shop to check the bearings(i did take one apart) I
wrote down the specifics on the ID plate. It has a Duracraft decal and
model# HBS 348 made in 1984 serial # 006119. Made in Taiwan on the ID plate.
It is what Home Depot sold 20 years ago.
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Bob wrote:
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>>>I seem to recall someone telling us that standard in-line
skate wheel
bearings make good inexpensive replacements, or am I
'remembering' incorrectly?<<<
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This is correct . . K-Mart had the identical
bearing for cheap.
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Bearing adjustment:? When using good .025
" thick blades, what is consensus best setting for the guide bearing
spacing?? I was tempted to set them closer than .025 but I was afraid that
repeated runing under pressure might distort the blade.
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Tony
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OK, Thanks Carey. I stand corrected! However, if you've got the number off of the bearing, you should still be able to get them at any decent bearing shop, even if they have to order them. That's the neat thing about bearings (needle, roller, or ball): they're the only thing I've ever seen with what approaches world-wide standardization! At 11:05 AM 2/11/2004, Carey Culpepper wrote: Bob: The guide bearings on my machine are needle bearing.They are like cam
follower bearings but with an eccentric shaft used for tension adjustments.
While I was out in the shop to check the bearings(i did take one apart) I
wrote down the specifics on the ID plate. It has a Duracraft decal and
model# HBS 348 made in 1984 serial # 006119. Made in Taiwan on the ID plate.
It is what Home Depot sold 20 years ago. Regards, Bob
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Bob: On second inspection ,the eccentric part is just a thin sleeve with the
spindle of the bearing pressed in. It may in fact be a standard size cam
follower bearing. Tony, these are not ball bearings they are needle bearings
riding on the threaded spindle. Not replaceable accept as a unit. Spindle
and all.
So basically what you guys are saying is that the cam follower type bearing
is no longer used on the import saws.
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Bob: I forgot to mention that there are no numbers on these bearings. That
is why I was asking here. Thanks!
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I got my bearing from a bearing supply house, get the numbers off the
bearing or a last resort mike the bearing and get the size for
replacement,? I have one place that has served me well? and ? McMasterCarr is
another great source Ed ke6bnl
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:22:59 -0500 "Carey Culpepper" < culpeppe@...>
writes:
Anyone know of a good source of replacement blade guide bearings? The
ones
on my saw have gotten very noisy. The bearing spindle has an eccentric
for
adjustment. With an internal hex for allen wrench. Do all of the import
saws
use this type of guide bearing?
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sorry not sure what they are Ed ke6bnl
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:38:27 -0800 Ed M Ginsberg < ke6bnl@...> writes:
I got my bearing from a bearing supply house, get the numbers off the
bearing or a last resort mike the bearing and get the size for
replacement,? I have one place that has served me well? and ? McMasterCarr is
another great source Ed ke6bnl
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:22:59 -0500 "Carey Culpepper" < culpeppe@...>
writes:
Anyone know of a good source of replacement blade guide bearings?
The ones
on my saw have gotten very noisy. The bearing spindle has an
eccentric for
adjustment. With an internal hex for allen wrench. Do all
of the import saws
use this type of guide
bearing?
?
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My 4x6 saw is a?? "BuffalO" brand with a
date tag of 1983.? It is pretty much the same as all the other 4 x 6 saws
I've seen, cast guide brackets, etc.???? The 6 bearings in
the guides are "NMB #608Z"? and they are identical to the razor scooter
wheel bearings.? Any advice of guide roller spacing?
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Tony??
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I just got a bandsaw at a tool sale Model HBS-348, Serial #000756, MFG Date 1983, but no brand identification I can see. The Instruction Manual came with it, but that document has no mention of any company name or address. it's written in rather broken English. This seems to be a fairly early model of what Carey Culpepper wrote about.
Regards,
Terry Lund
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Hi Terry
I presume from the header you need new guide bearings.
All Taiwanese and Chinese manufactured saws have metric bearing sizes even if they have UNC threads on their (metric headed) bolts. Some early American made saws had special bearings with a flange on the outer race instead of a rear guide-roller and some had cam-follower bearings, these may have been inch sizes.
The following metric size deep groove ball bearings have been used:
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Inside Diameter
(mm)
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Outside
Diameter
(mm)
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Width
(mm)
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?滨苍迟’濒.
Bearing code
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Preferred
Radial Internal Clearance grade
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Comment
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5
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16
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5
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625
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MC3
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as rear guide-roller
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8
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22
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7
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608
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MC3
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as rear guide-roller
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9
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26
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8
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629
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MC3
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as rear & side guide-rollers
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10
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26
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8
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6000
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CM or Normal
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as side guides on later saws
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10
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30
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9
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6200
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CM or Normal
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most popular, esp up to y2000 from Taiwan
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12
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32
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10
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6201
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CM or Normal
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only some older saws
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?These bearings are used at v.low speed and low load, so the ABEC rating is not applicable, however the Radial Internal Clearance grading should be considered.
Just measure the bearings ID, OD and Width and pick out the ones you need - jv
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Sorry Terry, I didn't think that you may have been asking for a brand name.
I have a similar problem with my 1987 Taiwanese bandsaw.? It has a manual that just give the model number 'UC115'? and nothing else.
I learned that it was probably made by one of the major manufacturers as a house brand for another exporter from Taiwan.? Yours may be similar.
Can you scan your manual and post it in the Files section of this site and I'll compare it to my manual's Jinglish.? It may prove to be of a similar make. - jv
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Sorry Terry, I didn't think that you may have been asking for a brand name.
TSL>Thanks, John, I was mainly intending to post a "new member, first post" but goofed and did not modify the Subject. Thanks for the information on bearings as I might well need that when I get to work cleaning up and checking out the new acquisition.?
I have a similar problem with my 1987 Taiwanese bandsaw.? It has a manual that just give the model number 'UC115'? and nothing else.
I learned that it was probably made by one of the major manufacturers as a house brand for another exporter from Taiwan.? Yours may be similar.
Can you scan your manual and post it in the Files section of this site and I'll compare it to my manual's Jinglish.? It may prove to be of a similar make. - jv
TSL>I've uploaded a scanned copy to the Files section, HorizVert-Band-Saw-Circa-1983.pdf
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Hi Terry ?I can tell from the pictures/drawings it's not a Rong Fu or an RF clone (the major manufacturer at the time), the base casting and fixed vice jaw styles are way different. The manual is also very different from Rong?Fu and pretty good layout for 1983 despite the terrible English.? 3/4HP from an era when they didn't lie about motor HP means its more powerful than most by todays standard. (1HP HF motor will be somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 HP - they quote input power not output!) It could be a good one if it's made well.? The use of quality tools in the adjustment section hopefully points in that direction - jv?
Sorry Terry, I didn't think that you may have been asking for a brand name.
TSL>Thanks, John, I was mainly intending to post a "new member, first post" but goofed and did not modify the Subject. Thanks for the information on bearings as I might well need that when I get to work cleaning up and checking out the new acquisition.?
I have a similar problem with my 1987 Taiwanese bandsaw.? It has a manual that just give the model number 'UC115'? and nothing else.
I learned that it was probably made by one of the major manufacturers as a house brand for another exporter from Taiwan.? Yours may be similar.
Can you scan your manual and post it in the Files section of this site and I'll compare it to my manual's Jinglish.? It may prove to be of a similar make. - jv
TSL>I've uploaded a scanned copy to the Files section, HorizVert-Band-Saw-Circa-1983.pdf
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My saw that I got in '83 is identical to posted pics. Brand is Fairbanks Ward USA [made in Taiwan]. On-off switch broke in first fire up. Motor got really hot for a while but has cooled down over the years , original belt and guide bearings. $188.95, don't remember shipping.
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Hi Terry ?I can tell from the pictures/drawings it's not a Rong Fu or an RF clone (the major manufacturer at the time), the base casting and fixed vice jaw styles are way different. The manual is also very different from Rong?Fu and pretty good layout for 1983 despite the terrible English.? 3/4HP from an era when they didn't lie about motor HP means its more powerful than most by todays standard. (1HP HF motor will be somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 HP - they quote input power not output!) It could be a good one if it's made well.? The use of quality tools in the adjustment section hopefully points in that direction - jv?
John, many thanks for the information, and thanks for the previous post with the table of replacement blade guide bearings. I've just been able to begin looking into this machine, which sat unused for some number of years. The blade guide bearings were initially rather stiff and had some rust/gunk so I started to disassemble with the idea of replacing the bearings.
The rear guide bearings measure as one on your chart, Bearing code 608Z. That's the good news. The side guides are needle bearings, which I didn't realize as I was pressing them off the adjustment bolts. One bearing is fixed and the other one is on an eccentric bolt to adjust the width. Is that the same on other models? Unfortunately as I pushed one apart, it separated and I managed to lose one of the needles so I am searching for replacement needle bearings now.
As a reminder, this is Model HBS-0348, without any company identification, Serial #000756 Mfg Date 1983. Is anyone aware of other similar saws with needle bearings for the side guide-rollers? The OD is only 22mm, and that is an outer sleeve on the needle bearings which are about? 17mm, and width of 12mm, so smaller dia and wider width than what's listed in the table provided by John Vreede. I will look for a suitable ball bearing replacement as I assume that would be a reasonable substitute.
Regards, Terry Lund
Sorry Terry, I didn't think that you may have been asking for a brand name.
TSL>Thanks, John, I was mainly intending to post a "new member, first post" but goofed and did not modify the Subject. Thanks for the information on bearings as I might well need that when I get to work cleaning up and checking out the new acquisition.?
I have a similar problem with my 1987 Taiwanese bandsaw.? It has a manual that just give the model number 'UC115'? and nothing else.
I learned that it was probably made by one of the major manufacturers as a house brand for another exporter from Taiwan.? Yours may be similar.
Can you scan your manual and post it in the Files section of this site and I'll compare it to my manual's Jinglish.? It may prove to be of a similar make. - jv
TSL>I've uploaded a scanned copy to the Files section, HorizVert-Band-Saw-Circa-1983.pdf
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Terry Lund
John Vreede
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